PWS hardly helps
unless mob dont crit and you only take a hit or 2. i mean, when they are gonna crit the rogue's balls off for 9-13k... with him having only some 7-9k hp... you will need some insane pws to have him live through it lol.

and not sad at all, hunter always had better cc than a rogue with just a simple fact that they can reapply cc during fight while a rogue's sap can only be done on out of combat targets. the ONLY straightforward thing a rogue is able to offer a group is raw dps, if he fail to achieve that part (say mage out dps him), then there is no reason to keep him in group so to speak, which is why a lot of people dislike getting rogues into their group (they are also the worst mana sponges) unless they are able to prove their worth.

Blood furnance last boss few pulls before it .. hits a clothie for 15k
lol
imagine wat a fury warrior would get when hes not in protection stance..

and if u sorry to say lah

if u have 2 mage 1 shadowpriest 1 priest 1 tank
u can preety much do most of the heroics liow

aleast 2cc

but rogues cc cant work that well lah .. sad to say ..
this cant sap that cant sap ..
makes them so suck .. plus when mobs hit them
sure die one ..

stacked classes leads to limited functionality and shitty loot distributions

Well, i never had warrior go in a grp as dps so far...well, least not in all the grps i'm in before. As i said, i'd tanked up to arcatraz without a single wipe. Quite relaxing if your grp know what to do, just not sure about heroic. But judging from all the replies surely its a challenge to do heroic with pvp spec, heh. Anyway, thanks for the tips and feedback on my questions. (Gonna try once on pvp spec with heroic first, I just wanna feel it at least once, haha...)

Its ok, laa. Its something that has to be exprienced yourself to make an impression, especially if you've never had trouble tanking before TBC. Try heroic Blood Furnace or heroic Ramparts first - those are the mildest among the heroics.

Let us know how it turned out, should be an interesting post at least hahaha...

This post has been edited by limsk: Apr 8 2007, 11:16 AM

Heroic slave pens is supposed to be the easiest, yet with 67% mitigation I get smacked around for 800-1000 by trash mobs. Pain!

Defenders... waah, have to ask frost mage to kite one fella, cos if I tank two I get hit for around 3k each time, no way healer can keep up. While kiting, if one spell reflect up, suddenly the mage frost bolted himself and then he gets one-shotted by the defender.

The ideal group setup here seems to be warrior, rogue, mage x2 and shaman. The rogue is great simply because of the stun on MC mobs and crippling poison on defenders.

i used to have hunter or mage kite one, but lately, i just bring TWO good healers and just tank both. you need 2 good healers for last boss anyways with its gay spray on group (if spray me or tank np)

Slave pens heroic only needs 1 good healer.

When Quagmirran does his geyser ability, have the tank taunt and use spell reflect. Totally trivializes the encounter. We don't even kill the last pack for the NR buff.

PROT rules.

taunt only last 4 sec, geyser last for close to 10ish. and the last pack for the NR buff is a joke. no matter how hard we try, once we rescue the noob elf, he will aggro the naga, and the naga rapes him, either that, or the technician's grenades aoe rape him. waste of time.

Apparently with a rogue you can bug those adds by vanishing near them when they come from the tunnel. Never tested though since we don't kill the pack.

I seem to reflect for the full duration of the geyser, even though the taunt duration is only 3 secs and geyser is like closer to 6 seconds?. Dunno, but slave pens is one of the heroic instances that my group has on farm. And it's still one of the easiest heroic bosses around.

1 of my guild hunters asked me to respec my hunter into 0/31/30 to do better in heroics.

Eventhough theres no silencing shot, that hybrid spec looks tempting for me.

oh we have it on farm too, still waiting for the midnight legs to drop, but 2 healers for that instance is still less pain staking than going it with just one for a few times, theres even once we had to replace someone out to get a 2nd healer (well he gtg anyways so no biggie)

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Added on April 9, 2007, 2:14 pmfull marks and silencing would do better on heroics, ur purpose is to dps anyways. if trap resist or crap, with scatter and concuss, you still have a chance anyways.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 9 2007, 02:14 PM

Yeah, I'm planning to try on rampart first. Think it should be the easiest heroic among all. Will let u know the result if i can get some waterfish willing to die with me in there first, hehe.

All bosses from instances are always 3 levels higher than you, be it normal or heroic, so crushing blow can still happen. For a level 70 warrior, you need 489 def to totally avoid crushing blow on you from bosses, but crits can still happen.

You can tank with fury/arm spec in heroic provided you have the tanking gear with you to achieve those stats, preferably >10K armor, >= 489 def, >15% block/parry/dodge. Otherwise i would not recommend it since you will be the burden of the group

OOOOH don't get technical with me!

Only your natural defense affects crushing blows (ie 350@lvl 70). Buffing your defense to 490 will not help you avoid crushing blows. What does affect crushing blows, is the ability of a warrior to shield block which adds +75% to his block chance. As long as parry+dodge+block>100%, you can push crushing blows off the table. See the following link http://www.wowwiki.com/Crushing_Blow

What defense does do is reduce your chance to be critted. 490 is the commonly cited defense number to become crit immune. Crits are similarly affected by a warriors ability to shield block.

Secondly, you're mistaking bosses in raid instances with bosses in standard instances. You can be crushed by those and these are identified by your user interface as Boss ???. You can tell what level normal instance bosses are by looking at your user interface. A quick glance of boss mobs in normal instances has shown that the highest level for these mobs is 72+ and therefore crushing blow mechanics do not apply to these mobs. Their crits in heroics will still hurt.

Edit: There are 2 things to consider when tanking, survivability which you can make up with gear, and threat generation. Threat generation is the tricky bit with non protection tanking. Like a poster above said, the defiance talent is almost a prerequisite for tanking considering the fact that your party member's damage will have scaled at a greater rate than a non prot warriors aggro tools = sunder, heroic strike and revenge.

This post has been edited by Kidicarus: Apr 10 2007, 03:16 PM

^^ that pretty much sums it up!
some say the number is 504 and some say it's 490, our tanks personally go about 510-ish and then stack the rest to +sta, dodge, parry etc but

Yeargh!, I also play arms warrior. I dont like prot spec & hate to become the meatshield. I kill to protect. Yeargh!

there must be some other way to get aggro

You know, I think that what Valdamor and Kidicarus has pointed out would be able to help you out. Since you cannot have improve on threat generation via the prot talent tree, the only other way to do it is to gear up to what they just mentioned.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Aggro

I was having a read at the above link as well to understand more about aggro and threat. There may / may not be some moves that are not used by warriors because they do not have a high threat generation. Probably a good idea to look into that area.

I know a Fury Warrior on my server who tanks heroic instances. The only one he mentioned that he has problems is Heroic SV. But I presume it'll be a matter of time before he can do it, once he gears up for it.

Know his name? Would be interested in spying on his gear and talents in Armory.