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owner police report


This post has been edited by komag: Jul 31 2017, 09:22 PM

keyword : ABS

perodua: user problem

this is what happen when all Malaysia choose berukdua

Double post

This post has been edited by kira_mha: Jul 31 2017, 12:42 AM

P : Tayar botak

wah..sure or not?

if axia using motor-assisted power steering, good luck.

axia pakai EPS

https://youtu.be/AJ85MWhxuLE

cheap no good, good no cheap

Use your brain to think
EPS even when the power is gone, it's still function like those old saga or Kancil. It's heavy when stationary but light once u got up to speed

The brake also die ?
Come-on, the brake is using Hydraulic, no way it would malfunction without leaking oil.

Another assumption, slamp brake hard and the tyre lock

eps without assistance is heavier than unassisted steering

Is true axis don't hve radio?

This guy knows what's he talking about

EPS has different scheme of operation

some doesn't has any direct mechanical link between steering and wheels. Typical those cheap system use this kind of design

Steer by wire yo

No lah, the other way round, only expensive infinity has true steer by wire , even then there is fail safe clutch that engages to connect steering direct to wheels when system detects failure

All other systems have mechanical link, the motor just assist

careless driving then blame steering and break problem so can run away

Best to let perodua investigate the cause. Some people who drive cheap car think their car is maintenance free.

He's car sale person afterall.

Nurse tu macam comel je, macam cantik je. Nak kenal boleh

Tinted so dark? how she can passed JPJ regulations?

is that Jamal jamban?

must be driving fast and then e-brake, GG

Some eps system are so sensitive that a loose battery connection can totally disable the electric assistance

The nurse will get Iriz for her stunt. Proton needs to slow down Perodua sales

Axia got handbrek or press leg brek or elec brek?

Are you sure or not? WHen car runs, the power is from alternator, not battery

Handbrake

A) Handbrek -- Yes
B) Press leg brek -- Yes
C) Elec brek -- No

Emergency backup brek -- Parit brek

only on the very low end variant

PP

Perempuan + perodua

Unfortunately that's not the case, at least on my City 2015......I experienced it first hand.

Had the same Power Steering issue happen on the Peugeot. Damn scary suddenly no assistance and steering wheel judder itself

Dont be silly

Pakcik : Pokok ni mahal tau, paling2 20k nih... Kalau xdpt bayar duit, bayar servis lah.
Nurse : *tutup mulut*

meh .. lose steering ctrl, then she got panicked and hit the accelerator pedal instead of brake pedal, then blame the brake system failure pulak. typical wimmen.

Wah! ... Anyway, it is only steering assist. You still have control of steering but just need to work harder

Inb4 jenama p,jantina p, lesen p,.....

When u lose steering assist while being in a corner.. GG

The assist is mostly pronounced at low speed. Even in expensive car the steering assist is at low speed only because it will be heavy to turn steering at low speed. At high speed, the steering assist function is disabled. Otherwise the handling of the car will become nervous

possible mechanic poured in wrong grade of fluid during change for both Steering & ABS causing damage to the pump.

or some electric component like fuse blew resulting loss of assistance on both steering & brake.

at least your Pug did not engine cut during corner coz that is when you not just lose steering assist but also really have your steering locked (security feature).

also airbag will be off.

This post has been edited by advocado: Jul 31 2017, 09:05 AM

Can control but very hard especially when car too slow.experience this when my persona xcident and hydraulic tank bocor.have to drive without power steering to police station.in highway doesnt feel anything but when in town.feel like my arm will broke.

hi, if you compare old non-assisted steering vs assisted, you would realize it's harder to turn an assisted steering when the assist is not functioning compared to old cars, because when you turn, you not just have to turn the wheels itself but also what ever assist pump/motor connected to your steering. more resistance = harder to turn.

new cars have drive by wire system, but some cars like infiniti has a backup hydraulic system in case the electric system fails.

This post has been edited by advocado: Jul 31 2017, 09:07 AM

It's very heavy...heavier than unassisted steering

it's the shoes
got under seat tray...put 1 sparco in there
ni letak high heels

Yes. Cannot deny thins. The gear ratio is for Arnold Schwarzenegger for power assisted steering. When the tire is rolling, the car moment will resist the tire to turn.

Not sure if the design is being short-cut nowadays. There should be a fail safe system for automotive as far as I know

Just know that the steering still can be used even without assistance

It's very unusual feeling as the steering suddenly is super super heavy but the car is still steerable and driveable

But if you have never experienced it, the increase in effort can be interpreted as jammed / locked .

there is a reason why proton dnt wanna go for EPS, and only implement EPS into their car now
this isn't the 1st case a p2 car crash because of its faulty EPS already
yet p2 say their EPS no problem

i personally dnt like EPS as well...specifically due to problem like this and the fact that it will make the steering no feeling at all
u dnt feel like you're controlling the car when the steering is EPS

if the driver move from no power steering to power steering to EPS
thn maybe still have chance of survival
but if straight move to EPS, habis liao

when the car move, the resistance is less. it's hardest when car is standstill as weight sits on the wheels.

regarding fail safe, you lose power steering there is not really much fail safe to talk about but if you are traveling at certain speed the weight of the steering should still be manageable.

what needs to be addressed are 3 things:

1.Backup for Drive by wire system in case it fails: a.redundant wiring/system? b.Hydraulic system as backup (defeats the purpose of cost saving).

2.Steering lock when car loses power (stalled), a common anti theft features in most cars nowadays. VW & Pug has been known to turn off the engine while on the road, many cars also turn off engine when overheat to protect the engine, but this also means you risk locking the wheels while driving.

3.Brake assist backup when brake pump loses power (due to failure or car stalled).

Wheels & brakes are essential in emergency situation losing 1 increases your risk but it's common to lose both Steering & Brakes when your car loses power.

you never tried you won't know.

you say folks who drove cars without power steering can manage better? maybe, but understand it's heavier to turn a faulty assisted steering than a non-assisted steering due to extra parts in the assist system like pumps/motors/hydraulics etc, those are added deadweight when the system is off.

also, some cars tend to lock the steering wheels, it's suppose to be locked when the engine is off to prevent theft, but jsut for you to know, like many things which can go wrong, it may just lock your wheels while driving.

Best course of action is to remove all power steering and anti theft for the axia , like kancil , million a of cars, not a single complaint sudden lock

Win win

no worries. her husband should be jpj oficer

still can't solve lost of brake assist part (brake pump).

if you remove the brake pump it will make braking alot harder compared to no power steering.

Bullshit. All axia drivers never do mistake meh? All axia accidents owner simply blame power steering lock

U all can see lah how axia drivers behave on the road and judge yourself :

Me myself also drive axia oh wai

i still remember driving old saga manual 1.3 silver color original exhaust pipe slightly noisy that model. hand muscle feels so much tougher compare to now, driving those old saga/ old car without power steering feels like everyday u driving a car without tyre pressure have to play pandai pandai tekan minyak let the car move a little only start turn the steering will be much more lighter, when comes to reverse parking hell yeah exercise time. and when entering shopping mall entrance parking have to twist the side window handle like rowing a boat to grab the ticket

This post has been edited by djandrew: Jul 31 2017, 09:36 AM

Easy, make the master cylinder as big as the brake booster like a dinner plate, so little pressure enough to lock all wheels

Tak kisah, asalkan sales figure trumps all

This post has been edited by loli_yat: Jul 31 2017, 09:36 AM

Yes i did drive viva without power steering before.i would say viva still can steer easier compare to my persona without power steering.maybe becouse of body weight.have to try 2 time to take corner around shoplot lol.lucky xcident at night,so no car around.and yes its very2 heavy.even pomen also suprise i drive to the workshop and suggest me take tow truck next time.

Janji power window mantap .

oh shit ayam pakai axia.

almost as heavy as an iswara with a faulty power steering pump

It was the alternator fault last time, steering lost assistance and everytime the steering is turned left or right whilst being heavy, it would judder and at the same time screen will pop up ABS/ASR faulty

my 1994 taxi specs iswara 1.5 ada power steering

kalau honda, battery terminal tak ketat pun EPS akan fail

Toyoi will be like;

"but but berukdua sales > proton"

If you have an electrical issue that stops the motor from functioning, it will be hard to steer and when it's unexpected, may cause driver to think that the steering has locked and you don't need mush time before he slams into something. Also, the same power failure might cause the ABS pump to stop requiring conscious effort to brake because the pedal would sink lower giving the impression that it's not working

burukdua engineer: tu biasa la

ur persona got power steering? because like i said cars with faulty power steering will be harder to steer than cars without power steering.

GG nurse....

Perodua will sue her in court through their lawyer...

Simply make claim without concrete proof to sully the name of Perodua....

mesti salah LGE

Janji sales > all
Oh wai

Ofcoz persona got.got into xcident and broke the tank

Unfortunately all new cars today all EPS...

Love my fake Lancer Hydraulic power steering.

Old skool is da best!!!

that is what i say the persona will feel heavier if the power steering broke not just because of weight but also the extra dead load on the pump etc.

hands down hydraulic wins
dat feel when u steer it, EPS is just no feeling at all
toyota one, so soft can even steer using pinky

not to mention hydraulics are reliable

This post has been edited by alien13579: Jul 31 2017, 10:46 AM

I like EPS more

- can vary assistance according speed , super light for parking , heavier for highway
- no grinding , whining at full lock
- no oil and pump drag on engine , rubber hoses that crack and leak after a while
- lane keep assistance as comfort feature on long highway drives , no need keep making corrections to stay in lane
- more expensive EPS can even have variable ratio , parking one turn lock to lock , highway more turns
- more horsepower , less drag on engine

i know hydraulic vs EPS has their own pros and cons
ultimately i still prefer hydraulics over EPS
it just doesn't have that feel when you're steering it
and if its done right, alignment is correct, lane keep on highway can be comfort and no correction needed as well
proton is the prime example of hydraulic steering done right
now their EPS also not bad based on review

u can always have hybrid, hydraulic setup using electric pump, so become EPS also. my previous peugeot is using this setup.

I have EPS now and when in drive a hydraulic, the hydraulic is rubbish , too heavy at low speed, too light at high speed

Unless speed varying hydraulic but that only on high end cars

Day to day, the non varying hydraulic is compromise between low and high speed but tend towards low speed light steering

Bullshit.... Memang tgh main phone ni

im now using EPS as well
but i had fun when i went back to my hydraulic car

It's psychological and hype, hydraulic doesn't feel any better , EPS is a lot more precise , hydraulic is shotgun , hydraulic is scoped rifle

its not better or worst or precise
ppl who love hydraulic is because of that feeling when u steer it
EPS is just dead, no feeling of steering the car at all
in simple word, its too soft, toyota one is way way way too soft

There's No such thing as feel, you turn the steering it turns the wheels , a lot of it comes from the tyres not the steering

Just motoring journalism hype that consumers bought into , lol

If you can't steer a car properly because of a system , you shouldn't be driving .

It's all hype

Driver is a wimminz...bukan salah Axia

not hype
drive a myvi vs saga
both with hydraulics
the saga will wins, myvi's steering is just too soft

thats the feeling that ppl want

Must got good offer from p2.

Yep. Digital controllers can never match analog controllers if you want to win that PS4 game!!!

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This...P2 already standby new Bezza for her

inb4 lawsuit from p2

axia > all

I dont get it. The quote is different story. Police report also different. Which is true?

must be new Bezza waiting for her at showroom

insurance purpose kot