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TSEquilibrium777
post Aug 5 2007, 11:34 PM

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HAHAHHA

B3rd!!! LOLZ!!!

simply change my post!!! ban you!!! xD

and i wish i can bring my amp but NO AMP!!!

Rossie why you so bad rub it in =(

its gonna be another 2 months. . .
Rossie
post Aug 5 2007, 11:45 PM

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Just joking only la...

Maybe just take you GT6 and play through as many amps as possible to get a feel how to tweak it?
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post Aug 6 2007, 12:07 AM

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yeah i know. . . but the studio i go only got marshall xD

so yeah. . . nvm lar. . . try around first lolz. . .

now running low on cash to go studio =.=
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post Aug 7 2007, 04:18 PM

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Wah... long time never visit the Seventuary...

First things first (ok maybe a bit late tongue.gif) great shows by H.A.C.K. and Of A Broken Promise last Friday... and a cool mini Sanctuary (sans the Beastmasta, o' course) yumchar afterwards ! thumbup.gif



Anyway, EQ, I know how it feels to have your tone change at different venues... especially when the #*($&# FX loop doesn't work! grr...

Generally, I hate plugging my GT through Marshalls... tried it once at De'Rhythmix (I think it was a AVT- had to go through the input coz the #*($&#$(& FX loop didn't work! grr...)... tone came out all damn shrill and boxy sounding. Tried all kinds of insta-tweaks; low-cut/high cut filters, EQ, changing the mic sim/direct sound balance, changing output options... vmad.gif

Dunno if that amp was just busted though, coz usually I can get away with tweaking the global EQ on the GT... hmm.gif

Anyway, just wondering if you guys (EQ + Rossie) use the cab and mic simulators on your floorboards? (Not sure what floorboard Rossie is using though... although I was standing next to it on stage after his set... lol... nerves... sweat.gif )

Anyway, anyway... sorry for the "short" post... whistling.gif
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post Aug 7 2007, 04:39 PM

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Yup, I use the cab + mic simulators in my PODxt LIVE...

I don't really like to run my POD through a Marshall too, it just doesn't give me the tone that I want no matter how I tweak. I would rather run it through a Laney Hardcore halfstack (like in the Mentari studio one).

The other guitarist in my band always have feedback issues, it's very obvious during the Trivium song where there are rests in the verses. It hummed like a humming bird with a very bad sore throat, painful to the ears. But he doesn't have this problem when he practices at home with his own amp. He's using a PODxt LIVE too. I think his settings work in low volume, but cause feedback when playing in high volume, still sorting it out though.

It took me some time to get a feel of how to tweak my own sound live, as amps vary from downright sh*tty to a JCM800 full tube amp (not a good thing if it wasn't serviced before, noisey). Plus some very valuable comments and tips from my teacher and guitarist friends, manage to kinda get the hang of it after some trail and error. I always swear by POD + PA, but many venues place the PA speaker in front of the stage facing the audience, so if I play through the speakers, I can't heard myself if there isn't any monitors, and the guitar tone will always become more trebly through the mixer, making your bass and mid totally gone, so it's very important to watch your bass and mids, and to cut your treble while going into the mixer. Now I would rather play through a mic-ed up amp facing me, and learn how to tweak the amp's eq. I always keep one thing in mind when playing live that a friend once told me "it's more important to get a clean and clear tone rather than YOUR tone".

GT guys, time to switch to L6!!!
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post Aug 7 2007, 07:03 PM

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Lemme guess... Que Tone Studios? Ayub?

I'm the one who goes through the Laney Hardcore max halfstack there, Val uses the Marshall... biggrin.gif

The only reason I'd ever consider switching to a POD is because of the dang handle on the XT Live... tongue.gif Sorry man, I think you're preaching in the wrong thread! cool2.gif hehe...

I haven't tried running FRFR though, except through direct in to a laptop, sounded like crap though, haven't got the hang of it yet.

I find that the cab/mic-sim makes the tone very boxy and closed, whereas the direct sound is very shrill/fizzy. But I've read on GTCentral (off-limits to you PODheads! laugh.gif ) that mixing the cab/mic sim sound and the direct sound together like 90% mic-ed and 10% direct can help get a decent tone...

And you're spot on about "it's more important to get a clean and clear tone rather than YOUR tone"... me and Val generally swear by a related aphorism "who cares how it sounds like as long as you can be HEARD"... hence, scooped mids are a no-no... smile.gif

No hard and fast rules though. I guess the important things are:
1. Your tone can be heard.
2. Your tone doesn't damage people's eardrums. Unless you're Petrucci and you want people to just drop down and die. It's pretty amazing.
3. Your tone doesn't blow up the amp. I'm not going to mention names here... whistling.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 7 2007, 07:14 PM

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but but but it didn't blow my house amp!

and and i'm sure the amp was on the verge of breaking when i tried it!

also also the new pups were just plain amazing!

it's time i lent another persons amp and work on my new pups. . . lolz

my settings were for the stock pups but because we usually jam at the studio and we tight on budget so no time to sit down and tweak my tone. . . lol. . . go there play ciow. . .

what amp simulation you all use?
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post Aug 7 2007, 10:29 PM

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I'm not preaching about the PODxt LIVE at all if you reread my reply, just a simple suggestion at the end of my post whistling.gif
I know GT players would never ever switch to L6, so I wouldn't even bother to talk about what the POD can do...

Yeah, saw you guys at Que Tones...
The Laney is really crappy, most of my friends said that too... But I ran my Keeley DS1 through it, amazing tone! Ok la, not AMAZING, but very very decent distorted tones, it just needs a nice compressor, and it's all good to go!

The PODxt LIVE is relatively more simple than the GT8, to me at least...
The ratio of direct/simulator thingy that Rusty said, the POD doesn't have this function, and I think it's not possible to bypass the cab simulation, but you can turn off the mic simulation though...
I don't really read the L6/effects forums, in fact, I never did... I just slowly tweaked my POD bit by bit over the last 2~3 years, reread the manual a couple of times, more comments from friends etc; and I'm quite happy with my current recording tone, but still slowly trying to get my live tone to sound like my recording though...

EQ: I'm using the Mark IIC+ simulator... I don't like the Dual Rectifier one, I don't even like the real thing... Yes it is heavy, but not as sweet sounding as the Mark series... Other than that, I use the JCM800 simulator for overdriven sounds, but I just feel more comfortable using the MkIIC+...

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post Aug 7 2007, 11:00 PM

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Well I use the Marshall MG 100 not really out of choice you know.... whistling.gif
I do agree that Laney Hardcore Max halfstacks are Amp Modeller/Multi EFX friendly. Whether it is transparent or not, I'm not too sure but it sounds helluva better than going thru a Marshall.

Marshalls have too much of an ATTITUDE of it's own. *sings ala Duff McKagan 'Attitude, you got some muthaf**in' Attitude!'

The Peaveys at Nettoz Inc gave us nice rhythm tone, as somehow it sounded more 'metallic' and scoopier than your usual assorted Marshall cookies. But as a result, the lead tones suffered from being a tad thin! sad.gif

Rossie, one day you have to sit down and teach us how get good LIVE TONE. rclxms.gif




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post Aug 7 2007, 11:06 PM

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Eh please la Val... You guys are much more experienced than me...
Need to ask more tips from you guys the next time we meet up...
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post Aug 7 2007, 11:12 PM

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Says the one who tours Singapore playing the entire Scenes from a Memory album! whistling.gif

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post Aug 8 2007, 01:24 AM

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hehe. . . good one xD
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post Aug 8 2007, 10:13 AM

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we gt8 users should meet up to discuss tweaking tips.lol. im too lazy to read those gt8 forums. way too complicated. even dloading some of the pdf files with hundreds of pages of graphs and stuff. just isnt practical. do you guys dload patches and load it to your gt8 or do u all just tweak and tweak.
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post Aug 8 2007, 11:40 AM

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Sit down and tweak tweak tweak!
(Well I'm using a GT6 anyway so I don't think I won't be able to download).

Rusty is using a GT8 but he doesn't download either.
Problem with GTs are that there are too many darned parameters! (preamp EQ, EQ EQ, sub EQ). hahahaha! tongue.gif


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post Aug 8 2007, 12:23 PM

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yeah lol. . .

i tweak. . . and same ere i'm a GT6 user. . . lolz. . .

i'm still trying to figure out how to properly use the sound on sound. . . =.=

and also the stupid synth won't be able to process your sound if you play fast =.=

only DAMN slow tempo can work =.=
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post Aug 8 2007, 03:37 PM

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i was in pm with val talking about 5 way selector on my axe, considering to change it for a 3 way selector..mostly considering my switching between the neck pickup back to bridge so much hassle considering have to run thru all the selector back to bridge..not sure which pickups would switched on the middle section on a 3 way selector.
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post Aug 8 2007, 03:50 PM

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You can wire both your humbuckers to be engaged when switched to the middle position, and can always wire it to engage the two inner coils only...
You can basically split any pickups with 4 conductors...

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post Aug 8 2007, 04:01 PM

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great..means i could choose to have both inner coild to engaged or the two outer coils.. another thing im having prob fret buzz on the 7th string. i was told to Adjustment on the bridge height
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post Aug 8 2007, 04:30 PM

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Yeah, maybe it's the action, it may be your neck too, check whether it has enough relief or not...

Another thing on the pickups, you can wire up a push/pull pot, and get to select between both humbuckers and split them in the middle position...
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post Aug 8 2007, 04:54 PM

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thx mate for the advice, prolly i would get someone to adjust the height..wouldnt want to do it by myself now heh.

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