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post Aug 27 2024, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Aug 27 2024, 06:29 PM)
I use it only for stop and go traffic so I don't need to slam on the brakes, which is doubly annoying...

For normal driving I much prefer D, because like you said the sudden loss of inertia is quite jarring, like someone using a rubber band to hold your car back rclxub.gif  sweat.gif
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For stop n go like traffic jem, i prefer to use ACC. I feel like more comfortable. In term of battery regen, i think not much different.

Anyway bro, what is ur best fuel consumption so far?
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post Aug 27 2024, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(fazleysyam @ Aug 27 2024, 05:22 PM)
anyway. apologise for just simply barge in like that. i thought this is a G5 forum, but when i look at the content, discussing about G6 then i'm excited.

anyway im a Blue G6 RS user. Got may car in Feb 2024. Mileage is at 19K.
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how is the highway drive? saw many youtubers saying struggling to reach 160km/h.
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post Aug 27 2024, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(19 Degree South @ Aug 27 2024, 07:58 PM)
how is the highway drive? saw many youtubers saying struggling to reach 160km/h.
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For normal mode, quite eazy to get to 160. Beyond that quite struggling.

But if u use sport mode, can easily reach 170kmh. Thats the max i reach so far. Quite heavy traffic that time. But still can push if traffic permits.

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post Aug 27 2024, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(fazleysyam @ Aug 27 2024, 07:56 PM)
For stop n go like traffic jem, i prefer to use ACC. I feel like more comfortable. In term of battery regen, i think not much different.

Anyway bro, what is ur best fuel consumption so far?
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I live in Penang so the stop and go traffic you have to switch lanes frequently, so ACC will totally suck here where people just come into your lane suddenly...

Best fuel consumption is 18.3km/L 90% city driving and 10% "highway" (Penang bridge)
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Here comes all the complaints about steering rack issues by the owners:

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1044996390687835

I think you'll need to join the FB group to read the content?
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post Aug 28 2024, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Aug 27 2024, 11:30 PM)
I live in Penang so the stop and go traffic you have to switch lanes frequently, so ACC will totally suck here where people just come into your lane suddenly...

Best fuel consumption is 18.3km/L 90% city driving and 10% "highway" (Penang bridge)
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Yes. If like that better not to use ACC. My best is 18.6km/l with 80% highway but always jem.

I have to agree the distance with front car when using ACC is quite far. Then the sensor will only treat incoming car as our front car when 70%-80% body has move into our lane. So sometimes when theres car moving in, our car will still accelerate.
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QUOTE(thankyou @ Aug 27 2024, 11:35 PM)
Here comes all the complaints about steering rack issues by the owners:

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1044996390687835

I think you'll need to join the FB group to read the content?
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Seems like few owner given feedback they face the steering rack issue. Same as civic fc, when turn the steering is not smooth.

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post Aug 28 2024, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(19 Degree South @ Aug 27 2024, 12:58 PM)
how is the highway drive? saw many youtubers saying struggling to reach 160km/h.
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Honda quoted max speed for RS is 187 kph. 200 kph for the 1.5T.

I was told, once going above may be 120 kph, the 1.5T performs better.

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QUOTE(fazleysyam @ Aug 27 2024, 05:08 PM)
Seems like few owner given feedback they face the steering rack issue. Same as civic fc, when turn the steering is not smooth.
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Mine was silky smooth before. Now seems to have some sticky feeling, like very slight momentarily resistance to turn, every now and then.
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QUOTE(touristking @ Aug 28 2024, 07:06 AM)
Honda quoted max speed for RS is 187 kph. 200 kph for the 1.5T.

I was told, once going above may be 120 kph, the 1.5T performs better.
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could be the battery added up the weight! anyway needs to change mindset driving SuV. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(19 Degree South @ Aug 28 2024, 08:19 AM)
could be the battery added up the weight! anyway needs to change mindset driving SuV.  laugh.gif
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It's not the battery weight only, it's the engine. RS using NA-based Atkinson engine that is VERY efficient in fuel efficiency BUT has noisy and weaker horsepower than even NA-based Otto cycle engine (normal engine). Then the otto engine added turbo in to increase even more horse power and torque than NA otto cycle engine.

So while both using 2.0 engine, RS NA (natural aspirated without turbo) engine can never match Otto-cycle turbo engine of 1.5T CRV in term of horsepower and torque once RS's Atkinson engine clutched in directly to the wheel above 110Km/h. Below about 110km/h, RS will mostly engage the electrical motor to the wheel thus the super smooth and strong torque coming directly from the motor with engine mostly activated to charge the battery rather than engage directly to wheel.

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Aug 28 2024, 08:35 AM)
It's not the battery weight only, it's the engine. RS using NA-based Atkinson engine that is VERY efficient in fuel efficiency BUT has noisy and  weaker horsepower than even NA-based Otto cycle engine (normal engine). Then the otto engine added turbo in to increase even more horse power and torque than NA otto cycle engine.

So while both using 2.0 engine, RS NA (natural aspirated without turbo) engine can never match Otto-cycle turbo engine of 1.5T CRV in term of horsepower and torque once RS's Atkinson engine clutched in directly to the wheel above 110Km/h. Below about 110km/h, RS will mostly engage the electrical motor to the wheel thus the super smooth and strong torque coming directly from the motor with engine mostly activated to charge the battery rather than engage directly to wheel.
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well said bro. when it comes to engine, Atkinson cannot beat Otto
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post Aug 28 2024, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Aug 28 2024, 08:35 AM)
It's not the battery weight only, it's the engine. RS using NA-based Atkinson engine that is VERY efficient in fuel efficiency BUT has noisy and  weaker horsepower than even NA-based Otto cycle engine (normal engine). Then the otto engine added turbo in to increase even more horse power and torque than NA otto cycle engine.

So while both using 2.0 engine, RS NA (natural aspirated without turbo) engine can never match Otto-cycle turbo engine of 1.5T CRV in term of horsepower and torque once RS's Atkinson engine clutched in directly to the wheel above 110Km/h. Below about 110km/h, RS will mostly engage the electrical motor to the wheel thus the super smooth and strong torque coming directly from the motor with engine mostly activated to charge the battery rather than engage directly to wheel.
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well explained. thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(fazleysyam @ Aug 28 2024, 09:46 AM)
well said bro. when it comes to engine, Atkinson cannot beat Otto
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so better to get turbo version? but i dont want AWD ler. Also the wood trim like old ah pek car. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(19 Degree South @ Aug 28 2024, 10:19 AM)
so better to get turbo version? but i dont want AWD ler. Also the wood trim like old ah pek car.  laugh.gif
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depends on your preferences.

like me..im more into torque and fuel consumption. yes i drive fast but occasionally. most of the time will be around 110-140kmh. also i admire the instant torque. so i aim for hybrid.
extra bonus on the full digital meter panel, HUD, tyre resonator and lalalala..
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QUOTE(19 Degree South @ Aug 28 2024, 10:19 AM)
so better to get turbo version? but i dont want AWD ler. Also the wood trim like old ah pek car.  laugh.gif
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If you constantly run LONG distance at highway MOST OF THE TIME with speed ABOVE 110km/h, then turbo might be the better option.

However there is a misleading condition when ppl say when using mostly highway, turbo better becoz turbo is better for highway run ONLY with the ABOVE conditions.

However if you spend a lot of time in City as well AND using only short distance highway like Klang Valley's Kesas, NVKE (from Klang to Damansara, etc), and run mostly at relaxed driving speed of 110km/h and below, by all means RS with it's full specs are the best. Occasional speed of 140km/h ok lar but when relaxed casual drive of 110km/h below, RS is better coz it will keep switch to EV, then engine turn on to charge....then switch back to EV. Generally motor drive and ecvt smooth acceleration all the way, very fuel efficient with strong torque at that speed and below.

If you concentrate only on fuel savings and efficiency AND long distance high speed highway run, then RS tak berbaloi.

IMO, when you buy Honda eHev, half is about fuel efficiency, another half is the semi EV driving experience you get with Honda eHev.

Honda eHev hybrid setup although are similar to Toyota Synergy in fuel efficiency, are quite drastically different in driving experience.

While Toyota Hybrid mostly engage motor (full EV) below 40km/h, it is mostly an engine assisted by motor drive with the very efficient planetary gear to switch between engine and motor. After 40km/h, it will generally be engine engaging the wheel assisted by motor with with complex switch managed by planetary gear. Top notch in fuel efficiency and much lesser gear maintenance required for the hybrid system vs Honda eHev.

Our eHev will mostly engage motor to wheel below 110km/h. So technically you are getting full EV driving experience at low and mid torque with motor directly engaged to the wheel below 110km/h. Engine are mostly there to assist charging the battery and motors especially during harder acceleration. It is only when you go above 110km/h, the engine will directly clutch in to the wheel. (Note : I believe below 110km/h, occassionally engine will also clutch in when going at higher end limit there and doing hard acceleration).

Of course it can't compare to pure EV, Honda seems to control the acceleration to gradual acceleration increment rather than Tesla G-Force type of full acceleration. Engine noise and vibration also makes it uncomparable to pure silent EV drive BUT the smoothness of eCVT acceleration (only make possible as with electrical motor), the torque strength with motor engaged to wheel is for me, way ahead in comfort vs normal CVT with engine acceleration. The micro vibration of motor even with the noiser engine (much muted in CRV and Civic) is much better than Turbo CRV.

You have to drive RS for at least 15 minutes and then immediately drive turbo CRV to feel the difference in vibration tho...Just like selecting LED TV, lower cost TV ok in resolution BUT when you put it side by side with higher end wan, then you straight away see the drastic quality difference between 2 of them but when use alone, still very good wan.

Value for money, we can't deny Turbo CRV is better with the drastic price increase of RS setup but you can't put monetary value on the semi EV experience that you can get with RS eHev. Just my own 2 cents.

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Aug 28 2024, 11:07 AM)
If you constantly run LONG distance at highway MOST OF THE TIME with speed ABOVE 110km/h, then turbo might be the better option.

However there is a misleading condition when ppl say when using mostly highway, turbo better becoz turbo is better for highway run ONLY with the ABOVE conditions.

However if you spend a lot of time in City as well AND using only short distance highway like Klang Valley's Kesas, NVKE (from Klang to Damansara, etc), and run mostly at relaxed driving speed of 110km/h and below, by all means RS with it's full specs are the best. Occasional speed of 140km/h ok lar but when relaxed casual drive of 110km/h below, RS is better coz it will keep switch to EV, then engine turn on to charge....then switch back to EV. Generally motor drive and ecvt smooth acceleration all the way, very fuel efficient with strong torque at that speed and below.

If you concentrate only on fuel savings and efficiency AND long distance high speed highway run, then RS tak berbaloi.

IMO, when you buy Honda eHev, half is about fuel efficiency, another half is the semi EV driving experience you get with Honda eHev.

Honda eHev hybrid setup although are similar to Toyota Synergy in fuel efficiency, are quite drastically different in driving experience.

While Toyota Hybrid mostly engage motor (full EV) below 40km/h, it is mostly an engine assisted by motor drive with the very efficient planetary gear to switch between engine and motor. After 40km/h, it will generally be engine engaging the wheel assisted by motor with with complex switch managed by planetary gear. Top notch in fuel efficiency and much lesser gear maintenance required for the hybrid system vs Honda eHev.

Our eHev will mostly engage motor to wheel below 110km/h. So technically you are getting full EV driving experience at low and mid torque with motor directly engaged to the wheel below 110km/h. Engine are mostly there to assist charging the battery and motors especially during harder acceleration. It is only when you go above 110km/h, the engine will directly clutch in to the wheel. (Note : I believe below 110km/h, occassionally engine will also clutch in when going at higher end limit there and doing hard acceleration).

Of course it can't compare to pure EV, Honda seems to control the acceleration to gradual acceleration increment rather than Tesla G-Force type of full acceleration. Engine noise and vibration also makes it uncomparable to pure silent EV drive BUT the smoothness of eCVT acceleration (only make possible as with electrical motor), the torque strength with motor engaged to wheel is for me, way ahead in comfort vs normal CVT with engine acceleration. The micro vibration of motor even with the noiser engine (much muted in CRV and Civic) is much better than Turbo CRV.

You have to drive RS for at least 15 minutes and then immediately drive turbo CRV to feel the difference in vibration tho...Just like selecting LED TV, lower cost TV ok in resolution BUT when you put it side by side with higher end wan, then you straight away see the drastic quality difference between 2 of them but when use alone, still very good wan.

Value for money, we can't deny Turbo CRV is better with the drastic price increase of RS setup but you can't put monetary value on the semi EV experience that you can get with RS eHev. Just my own 2 cents.
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Based on my experience, sometimes the EV mode engaged when driving more than 110kmh. I think sometime at 120kmh also the EV mode will engage. Most of the time it will happen when i maintain constant speed cruising. but definitely it will not last long compared to low speed cruising.
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QUOTE(fazleysyam @ Aug 28 2024, 11:23 AM)
Based on my experience, sometimes the EV mode engaged when driving more than 110kmh. I think sometime at 120kmh also the EV mode will engage. Most of the time it will happen when i maintain constant speed cruising. but definitely it will not last long compared to low speed cruising.
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When cruising when you feet release on the pedal, it can release engine clutch and switch back to EV but with only ultra small 1.3KW battery, with high speed, it practically deplete the battery in very short time. But in general, it will still be engine clutch in after 120km/h. At 110km/h below, it will be mostly motor with occassional engine clutch in (I think) especially during hard acceleration.
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1.5T or the RS. Different people, different considerations and there are several.

Even though I spend 80% of the time in town, I picked the 1.5T for the following reasons.
1. With the big price difference, in my case, I can consider petrol to be free for 6 years.
2. RS setup is complicated and if can't start the car, have to call Honda and not any mechanic under the trees. And I can be away from home for quite some times.

Got the 2WD for the following reasons.
1. If got one tire damaged, hate the thought of having to change at least 2 tires at once, if not 4 at once.
2. The 1.5T power is just adequate. No extra power for the slowness of AWD on pickup.

The most practical thing I will miss the RS will be the smoothness at idle and the quicker pickup. As for noise, well, the tires noise makes up for it biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(touristking @ Aug 28 2024, 11:33 AM)
1.5T or the RS. Different people, different considerations and there are several.

Even though I spend 80% of the time in town, I picked the 1.5T for the following reasons.
1. With the big price difference, in my case, I can consider petrol to be free for 6 years.
2. RS setup is complicated and if can't start the car, have to call Honda and not any mechanic under the trees. And I can be away from home for quite some times.

Got the 2WD for the following reasons.
1. If got one tire damaged, hate the thought of having to change at least 2 tires at once, if not 4 at once.
2. The 1.5T power is just adequate. No extra power for the slowness of AWD on pickup.

The most practical thing I will miss the RS will be the smoothness at idle and the quicker pickup. As for noise, well, the tires noise makes up for it  biggrin.gif
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eHev long term maintenance is not going to be cheap...you have to maintain at least 8 years in Honda SC with expensive parts and repairs coz of the warranty. After that, who can handle the eHev engine and motors, in the end, still have to go back to SC. So it will be expensive no matter how fuel saving it can be.

The no spare tyres is always a worry for Malaysia roads with potholes and nails.

For me, if one tyre damaged, have to change both tyres anyway if the tyres already wear out sometimes, if not really no balance even for non-AWD car unless the damaged tyre are quite new.

Turbo got power lar at all ranges, just smoothness and efficient acceleration RS got advantage at low to mid torque.

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