The same is said to a few mates of mine, not to say that they are totally ignorant when it comes to English, but they never make any effort to improve despite heading to English speaking countries but instead working hard to improve their Chinese just because they are Chinese.

But seriously, I've seen worse....hahahaha

Haya,
Chinese lessons are fine... provided they speak English as well. Like if I live here in the future and have kids, I will send them for Chinese lessons. But speaking English won't be a problem for them...

Anyway, yes I agree. Chinese, Koreans etc should really go out and learn English if they want to live here. I think it's disgraceful that some people have lived here for 15+ years and can barely string a sentence of English together. One of these people is my friend's mother - and she's Malaysian.

But I am against Kiwis who swear at people and yell at them just because they're speaking their native tongue to each other. If I'm talking to another Chinese, I can damm well speak Chinese to them. I won't do it if there's a non-Chinese speaker in the group cos that is plain rude (another gripe) but I don't see why I have to accommodate total strangers on the road who happen to walk by and hear us talking.

Huix,
Yes, Auckland house prices are sky-high (though sliding a little these days). Welly's ok but the pay isn't necessarily higher. It's very very very windy, even a hot summer's day can be quite cold thanks to the wind. I've never been there in winter but I bet it's worse. Definitely colder than Auckland.

I personally found Welly to be a pretty drab, depressing city. That's just me, there're others who love it.

Try the South Island if you want cheap.

ehm ehm..

i'm planning to take chinese class there in canter, but damn, the class damn packed

at the moment, drafting my subjects, got to take 8 subjects for my 1st year..
and also, quite hard to avoid clashes between class..

I have a feeling that you have a strong Chinese foundation, arh...what the heck, most China Chinese take Chinese as an elective despite having such strong foundation.

So that they can get higher grades for that subject?



Btw, if they keep on living in their own pack, I have no problem with it. If they don't want to improve thier english, I have no problem for that either. After all, they lose their competitiveness in job market if they forever live under thier own circle in NZ.

what i don't like about some extremist keep saying how good china is and how strong they are.... but why I see so many mainland chinese coming out form that country? Why keep on talking about attacking taiwan or attacking others becoz they have strong military force? wht makes them different from the japanese grasshopper army during WW2? dont they realize that the moment they start attacking others, they will kiss their a$$ good bye to their strong economy?


Wornbook,
Thks for the info. wow! never think welly is that bad.... that explain why many people choose auckland indeed. Just my research told me that welly house is cheaper and the paid is slightly higher than auckland. (at least, in IT)

i need to brush up my english, especially informal conversation outside..if in class, ok laa.. i can present infront..

btw.. i want to take chinese for the sake of knowledge..just want to learn 3rd languange..
rite now thinking french, germany, or japan
knowing that outside, languange class quite expensive.. huhu since i got schola.. so,, why dont..


anyone in canter??

You're welcome. Don't get me wrong... It isn't that bad. Like I said, many people love it. I think a lot of people pick Auckland simply because it's the biggest city so there's a bigger job market and greater ethnic diversity (though there's no lack of Malaysian food in Wellington ).

Houses and rent are definitely cheaper in Wellington. As for the pay - since you've done the research, I'll take your word for it. I can't say I've done any comprehensive research, and my knowledge is limited to general observations of my field (law) and general fields.

I'll say - go wherever you can find a job.

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Added on February 1, 2008, 5:28 pmAs for Chinese taking Chinese as a subject - it's a relatively common phenomenon. Who won't want a free A+? The unis are supposed to regulate against that. At least mine did - if you were educated in a Chinese language environment, you're barred from taking Chinese. But it's hard to enforce... too many loopholes. For example, Malaysians aren't typically considered to be Chinese educated (they don't check primary school records). Another tricky group is people from Hong Kong - they read and write but speak Cantonese instead of Mandarin. They can easily claim that their aim is to learn Mandarin. And then there's the Chinese who grew up here, speak Mandarin fluently but are barely literate.

The uni can't bar ALL people of Chinese ethnicity from taking the subject...

This post has been edited by wornbook: Feb 1 2008, 05:28 PM

hie all..
so many students coming to nz this year?! Wow!
Anyways,am at Otago uni, so if anyone going there drop me a message and maybe can meet up! Actually my family is in Auckland but am studying at otago.
Do join the malaysian society when ur in uni, bersatu games are held every year and if am not mistaken this year its at wellington.
Do drop me a line would love to help any of you,after all we are from the same country!

Oh well, wornbook, you almost made me regret choosing Vic, but anyhow....it's me decision by the way, hahahaha

I'm taking Spanish by the way, thought about changing it to French or Japanese

can change subject rite within period.. if not mistaken 2 weeks..



ridinghood, are u in vic?? the class already started eyh.

wait.. i'm not Chinese... so,, i can take Chinese class rite.. anything wrong with that?
ehmm whatever it is.. i cant.. the class gonna be damn pack.. clash with my major subject and my lab.. guess have to take language class after my grad la like that.. hua hua

This post has been edited by fantagero: Feb 1 2008, 07:09 PM

I am not going to NZ as a student but PR visa, still need to find a job. mny agents advertised in seek.co.nz just inform me that let them know when i m in nz and they will help me to get a position, they don't usually give a damn with oversea applicants (of course, in very polite way hehehe)

Not yet, will start in a few weeks.

Oh well, I didn't say that it's wrong, I was just assuming that you have a strong Chinese foundation.

My assumption is wrong then

Sorry

Just my opinion that the university shouldn't restrict student choices unless the class required pre-requisi classes. Why stop them if they want to take some classes and have confidence to get A1. Elective is to learn some extra skills for their future expenditure. If they choose to learn something that they know already becoz of the A1, let them be. It is their choices. However, I would rather choose spanish becoz I believe that would benefit me more since I already knew mandarin.

Hie,
am at NZ as a PR as well.. if your a student go student job search (SJS),seek and the others are more towards people who are looking for long term and graduated. Pay is higher on sjs,and much more practical rather then the std rate. one thin with jib on sjs is that they don't need experience one,although exceptional for one or two that needs la..but othet then that no need experience,cause we are all students! Jobs at sjs normally dnt need interview,but they just wanna see u la.. jobs are easy to get but depending on with city ur in! Auckland pays more but not sure if Dunedin does.
Which part of NZ u cming to?!
And oh another thing,after u graduate if u want to find a job here, no matter if u get a masters or bachelors degree if you have got more experience.. u'll get the job!! I met a m'sian who has got a double degree and is working at ASB bank, just as a personal banker while her supervisor who has got nothing but experience and working longer at the bank has a higer position!
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If am not mistaken,one can take chinese but must show the previous qualification,and if its good then they are able to skip a few levels. I did chinese in High School and am a chinese..

Please don't regret just because of what I said. Be happy and have confidence in your own decision. Everyone is different after all. Have a great time in Vic.

As tip - when you send in your CV, just put 'NZ Permanent Resident' on it. Just so they don't get confused and put your application in the 'discard' pile cos it's too much of a bother.

Well, it's not fair to other students who have to work for whatever grades they get. Remember that these free A+s affect the final grade average/GPA. Also, sometimes averages also count for admission to limited entry courses or honours programmes. So it basically amounts to cheating.

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Added on February 2, 2008, 3:56 pmHe's not coming as a student so why would he bother with the lowly paid and low skilled jobs on SJS?

Btw Huix, have you thought of trying recruitment agencies?

This post has been edited by wornbook: Feb 2 2008, 03:56 PM

That's usually when they're speaking their native tongue way too loudly. When foreigners speak too loudly, it's very irritating. Applies to any country.

Hi wornbook,

I have been in software industry 10 years+ and currently a IT manager in both application and infrastructure now. I am currently discussing with an international bank as a technical lead job. (since i strongly believe i can get a job easier as technical lead in NZ) If I get this job, I mostly will stay for another 2-3 years in KL since I still have 3.5 years period to start actually staying in NZ. (of course, i gotta fly to NZ by the end of this year to renew the visa though, lucky airasia X + airNZ make it cheaper for my 4 pax flight hehe)

I won't mind if I am working as recruitment agencies there tho.

Not necessarily. Even if they are, it does not justify swearing at them (after all, speaking English way too loudly is just as annoying). Some people are just bigots.

I really meant contacting recruitment agencies so they can help you find a job. But no matter.

All the best with securing that job. From what I understand, transferring from one country to another within the same company is much better than starting afresh. At least you'll generally be at the same level if not a higher one. Many people who start afresh have had to downgrade. At least, that has been the experience of people I know.

I didn't feel irritating when people around me saying something I don't understand. Some masaleh also speak thier native language which I don't understand and I didn't feel offended.

izit cost a lot to study in NZ?...izit many of u get scholarship to study there or parents afford?