hmm ... i am thinking of furthering my postgraduate studies ...
and i am wondering due to the field that i study is Information Systems which is the IT field ...
1, is NZ a good place to study IT? ...
2, any Universities suggestion for my field? ...
will be searching the university site 2nite, wanna hear about more opinions on NZ's universities ..
thanks in advance ...

fees are almost same but currency is the problem.
if i study in adelaide law school it may cost around 320-380k while otago
law school will cost 260-290k for 4 years.
I know that study law in nz is risky but keep in mind that they take in every single student include science stream student and quite a handful of them take law for fun.Hence,it is easy to enter year 2 as long as you study hard and have the passion.

How did you come out with "320-380k" for U Adelaide's Law program? Even in RM Adelaide's law program is about A$24,000/year, over 4 years that's A$96,000, using a very conservative exchange rate of A$1 = RM3, that's only RM288,000.

And if you think you're going to survive with A$7,700/year (RM380,000 - RM 288,000 = RM92,000. Averaged over 4 years is RM23,000/year), I can tell you it is impossible.



Some numbers from University of Auckland:

1300 students entered the LLB program in 2008.

Come semester 2 2009, only around 390 are left.

The problem is that is you are in that 910, what are you going to do? You've sunk in about NZ$22,000 for the first year, and you can't continue into 2nd year law. What next?

Its not too bad for domestic students, but I do not think many parents in Malaysia will be too happy with their son/daughter leaving to read law and ending up as (say) an Accountant. If you wanted to be an accountant why not do so to start off with.

Granted, there is the other option of starting off with a double degree, and if things do not go according to plan, there is (depending on what the other half is) still another option. However, a double degree is VERY difficult. Law as a single discipline is hard enough.

"it is easy to enter year 2 as long as you study hard and have the passion"? Yes and no. The question is, are you willing to take the risk, with the odds not in your favor?

$23000+$13000(living expense)-46000 per annum
converted into RM is RM388000 dude.latest exchange rate now is A$1=RM2.88.
So,you recommend me to study law in aus.Do you any university with cheaper fees beside UTAS?if no my choice will be cardiff,leeds,liverpool,ucl uk

any1 coming from msia anytime soon?

yes me, early next year. i still need my IELTS to get my position in UNITEC confirmed.

Most of the time it'll be fine, but it's strictly a "use at your own risk" thing.

That's a Fire Department warning btw.

I mostly agree. Just 2 things:

1) I've been given the impression lately that it is easier for international students to get into 2nd year. I guess it makes sense, cos it's also easier for them to get into dentistry and medicine. After all, they're bringing in money right?

Don't quote me on that though. I recommend checking with the unis and asking about international student entry.

2) I won't call a double degree "VERY difficult". Most students who make it to 2nd year law are of a certain calibre. At a risk of appearing arrogant, we generally find the 2nd degree pretty easy by comparison (unless it's a pure science or engineering, which is rare). It's really a case of work hard for law, cruise with good (or much better) grades for Arts/Commerce.

please dont go new zealand to study it
it is very backwater here

well if you really want to come waikato auckland and canterbury would be good choice in my opinion

midterm break start but I finish all my anime and game already

this remind me of my first day in new zealand

the room doesnt come with blanket duvet or even pillow
I got to wear jacket, glove, socks and hat to sleep
and I fold few towel to use as my pillow.

well now day wellington is not really that cold anymore, can go out just t-shirt and jeans

This post has been edited by guest18: Aug 22 2009, 09:27 PM

I wouldn't be surprised to be honest, through I don't have the numbers to back them up. My stand is still the same through: it is too much risk, as an international student, paying so much for something that has no guarantee. Most other courses guarantee continued enrollment as long as you pass. Not so for NZ LLB.

I suppose it depends on what the "other" degree is. Most Law double degree students I meet are doing law because it's "a side extra". Their main focus is the other degree (Business, Economics, Accounting, IT etc), and thus law is just a side thing.

That said, I do have to agree with the bit where working hard for law, while the other degree is "easier", so to speak. However, in the context of member edennature's question, I felt that LLB was his main objective. Doing a double degree LLB and not being able to go on to 2nd year seems a bit foolhardy IMO, especially when looking at the alternatives available.

Finally, there are perils of doing a double degree that a single degree student will never face. For starters, most people moan how hard it is with one degree, never mind 2 disciplines. Secondly, unless you happen to have a group of people doing the same double degree, multiple personalities is a side effect. The friends you make in one discipline do not intersect with the "other side".

Depending on your course structure, it will be a bit awkward, when the rest of your single degree friends are doing subjects while you're not supposed to do for another year.

Finally, most people who start a double degree will drop like flies after the first sem/year. I've never met the people in the same double degree orientation group as me when I first started save for one, and she dropped out of the double degree to a single degree. Personally, I feel like I'm dropping too.

i believe that was an issue some time back, and a lot of home students (especially the pr's) were unhappy with the 'preferential' treatment for international students, with what was perceived 'earier' pathway into 2nd year medicine/dentistry/laws......

the fact is, there is an inter-government arrangement between the msian government (not sure if any other country has this ) and nz unis, for some places to be reserved for the gov scholars (ie jpa and mara) and these places are guaranteed as long as the students achieved the minimum requirement.......

for the rest of the open places, it is a intense competition for home as well as private international students for these places, and the cut off is of course considerable higher than the minimum.......

hence it is quite obvious to onlookers and students alike that some people are getting in with lower results than others........

the other group of students who 'sneaked' in are those who transferred from imu........which is again ONLY msians....(other nationalities in imu cannot match to nz)..........

you seem to be very much dissatisfied wiht IMU's twinning programme. Care to explain yourself?

So to you, the only competent doctors are those who entered IPTAs through STPM?

This post has been edited by hypermax: Aug 23 2009, 03:15 PM

it's not me who is dissatisfied with the imu twinning students in auckland/otago......it's the home students......specifically those msians who are pr's there who failed to enter year 2, and unfortunately CANNOT transfer to oz and nz due to pms policies.........yes, many of them return to msia after year 1 and enrolled in imu........

I concur. I've heard many many PR Malaysian (and Singaporean) grouses about these two groups - scholarship holders and IMU students. Even the local Kiwis complain. To be fair, the scholarship thing happens with Saudis and Bruneians too.

Then some of the loudest complaints are from those on 'Father and Mother Scholarships'. Entry to medicine is cut-throat there.

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Added on August 25, 2009, 1:40 pmI was just pointing out the other side. I do agree that I won't advise an international student to do a NZ LLB. There are many good things about the NZ LLB, but this is too great a risk. Unless you have a rich daddy.

Then again, many people seem to be willing to risk it with health science/medicine, so...

Really? Most of my friends in the law double degree did law as the primary degree. They just did double degrees cos it was the thing to do, and cos the 1st year consists of mainly non-law papers anyway. Certainly that was the reason I took up a double-degree.

Agreed re edennature. Like I said, I just wanted to point out the other side.

That being said, the same double degree thing is fairly common if the 2nd degree is commerce or arts (to a lesser extent).
Personally, I do think that an LLB BCom does open plenty of doors. Sometimes I regret not finishing my economics (only 4 100-level papers and 2 300-level papers to go), but it simply wasn't taking me where I wanted to go. Pity they don't award minors with an LLB.

Mind if I ask what you degrees are? Persevere though, it'll be worth it.

This post has been edited by wornbook: Aug 25 2009, 01:40 PM

doing LLB here at auckland university is intense. i work part time at a law firm here, and some of the lawyers here told me about their experience.

its true what Haya said about only 310 left on year 2 compared to 1000++ on year 1. the competition even extends to enrolling for classes. most lawyers here said that they enrol for classes the moment its opened - 12am exactly. cos if you do it at morning the next day, you'll be left with classes at sh*tty times, 7 to 9 pm for example.

im doing B.Ed here btw. anybody in this forum is in auckland currently? cos i am.

This post has been edited by ballackahn: Aug 25 2009, 02:21 PM

i'm in auckland xD

come auckland never say....
help me buy things ma

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Added on August 26, 2009, 1:03 pmthis i agree .
its also helpful to take easier ones that you can guarantee good results

This post has been edited by EmperorMeng: Aug 26 2009, 01:03 PM

[quote=wornbook,Aug 25 2009, 06:30 PM]
I concur. I've heard many many PR Malaysian (and Singaporean) grouses about these two groups - scholarship holders and IMU students. Even the local Kiwis complain. To be fair, the scholarship thing happens with Saudis and Bruneians too.

Then some of the loudest complaints are from those on 'Father and Mother Scholarships'. Entry to medicine is cut-throat there.

I agree, the kiwis and PR ppl (who din manage to get into medicine) complained about scholars and IMU students. But what they didnt know is that the number has been pre-allocated even before the course starts, and has nothing to do with the "locally subsidized medicine". The management allocate x number of local students and y number of imu students and z number of scholars each year, and they are independent of each other. There is a small amount of self funded full course international students i presumed, whom i've never met any before.



If u take law in NZ, would u work in NZ? if u want to return to msia, how do u get registered/recognition from msia?

This post has been edited by cygoh9: Aug 26 2009, 03:53 PM

I'm working in NZ.

To practice in Malaysia, do CLP.

i see, whereabouts are u working now in NZ?

erm one q, how about Aussie? does aussie recognise NZ law/bar?

Working for the government in Auckland.

Yes, Australia recognises NZ barristers and solicitors under the trans-Tasman agreement. And vice versa.