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post Apr 12 2007, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(jason_killer @ Apr 12 2007, 01:37 PM)
CrazymOuse: U have BD rights? Is it the BD shit is smelly or the SG is more smelly ? Then , do SG really poo and pee oftenly ? 3 times a day?

Another thing is . how do the shit look like ? Can someone snap a picture on it? Coz wat i heard from u guys saided, it always "doing biz" on we all , so i jst wondering that let said bring them out , then they shit on us , wat u all will do ? Jst left it for "decoration"  laugh.gif  laugh.gif or always bring extra shirt when hanging out with them?

Sorry to have so much Qs.. I jst want to know more about them and hope you all will share the experience with us ..  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Yah... well, BD is worst than SG. Said before mah, SG no smell but their pee and males are musky. They poo and pee often, more than 3 times lah.

Their shit looks like hamster poo lah. If we kena the poo then take tissue to wipe off lah... what is so hard with that?

QUOTE(suiteng @ Apr 12 2007, 01:39 PM)
Getting a friend for her might be good laugh.gif I guess that she thinks that she's a dog. Really cannot tahan when she tries to clean my ear sweat.gif
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Hahaha.... yah.... my ear cleaning glider.... she will clean noses and belly buttons too if given a chance.... and my dog's mouth... ewwww....
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post Apr 12 2007, 08:41 PM

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Kiah likes to groom people and other animals hahahah.... that's why she likes to steal my money, she wanna open a grooming parlor soon LOL
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Hahah... Snowcandy got a big wish list of pets hehehehe.
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post Apr 13 2007, 06:46 PM

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My goodness... How to handle 3 gliders? Hahaha.... but Cheaka, you are lucky that they do not fight.

CFP, cut while sleeping.... easy wan. But now I just hold Kiah and cut.... she won't sleep in my palm anymore but she is easy to hold when trimming nails.
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post Apr 13 2007, 08:35 PM

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Wow, very good cage. Best lah your glider can have such a big and spacious cage.....
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post Apr 14 2007, 04:59 PM

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RIP to Cici

So sorry bout your lost. For now, remember those good old days, Cici will be with you always. Cimon, it will be hard for him to adapt.... maybe you place the 2 daughter's cage near his cage. At least he can still hear and see them and feel slightly comfortable.
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QUOTE(khairizha @ Apr 14 2007, 07:47 PM)
the cage is side by side..but cimon did not come out since yesterday..i worried he will die too because of starving..i think i have to find a replace but for now i don't think i can make it because lack of money..huhu..any advice to make sure cimon will survive?

btw..i'm searching for a 5 months old male baby and i want to change it not buy it..
change it with one of my female..is that okay crazymouse?
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Hmmm... never experiece such a thing before.... I'm not sure if introducing a male would be safe or not since some adult males tend to fight with young males.... Not all lah but some....

Put a piece of fruit in the coconut for him. Or mealworms, anything that is his favourite lah.
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post Apr 15 2007, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(coldfusionpower @ Apr 15 2007, 02:35 AM)
like i said in the previous post, i just made the cage and don't have any space. so what i do is this ..

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and this is the new cage position and a few stuff i made for her .

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may cici rip ... she's so cute ... no matter. i'm sure that cici will always be in ur heart.
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You got a fish pond in your room? Wahhh... what else is there that is interesting for us to know? Hahahah tongue.gif

QUOTE(khairizha @ Apr 15 2007, 08:12 AM)
cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif

thanks everyone 4 ur support..
but this morning...smtg bad happened again..
i dunno what is the problem anyway...
the naughtiest and cutest glider i ever had passed away..
this time is mimi. cici's daughter...
i dunno why..yesterday she is so active untill the night and then i went out...
when i came home i saw mimi dun move and just lay on the floor..
i took her and she looks like sooo struggle to breath and trying to survive..
but at last..she gone...

i dunno what's is the problem anyway..but is it maybe because smtg wrong with the apple or because of the fogging last three days :??

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may she rest in peace and will never forget her
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Wah.... now Mimi pulak... RIP to her.... it could be the food.... what have you been feeding them?
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QUOTE(khairizha @ Apr 15 2007, 01:25 PM)
i give them apple..
that's all...last week i gave them gerber applesauce...
should i bring them to the vet??..
and if i should bring it to the vet..please advise me where is the best place.
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Wah.. why you only feed apples? Apples cannot ever be the staple diet of sugar gliders. Many people who listen to commercial breeders about feeding only apples have lost their gliders from malnutrition. This was the thing that got me into making glider mix in the first place.

Apples lack in calcium, lack in minerals for health, lack in many key vitamins a glider needs. Apple sauce has less nutrition than fresh apples.... so....

Calories 81
Carbohydrate 21 grams
Dietary Fiber 4 grams
Soluble Fiber
Insoluble fiber
Calcium 10 mg
Phosphorus 10 mg
Iron .25 mg
Sodium 0.00 mg
Potassium 159 mg
Vitamin C 8 mg
Vitamin A 73 IU
Folate 4 mcg

10mg of calcium is super low.... A glider needs a diet high in calcium. There is no sodium in apples and every living animal needs a bit of sodium(not table salt). Apple sauce is ok as a treat but too much is bad since it is high in citric acid and vitamin C.

An all round diet should have complete vitamins, fiber, carbohydrate, calcium, essential minerals, protein.... Even if you give mealworms, without a proper diet, a glider can suffer.

A vet won't be able to help much since it is already long term. You can always try getting a calcium injection but then not all vets would be willing to give since there is not much info on gliders for them and an overdose can cause a glider to be sick. Change their diets and pray that they can last. If you do not change their diet, you may not see them live long and gliders can live up to 15 years.

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Sugar gliders in the wild feed on eucalyptus gum, sap, insects, nectar, and honeydew (an excretory product of nectar eating insects). They will also eat bird eggs, lizards, small birds and other small prey items. This diet is pretty difficult to replicate in captivity. So a variety have food have been fed, in an attempt to somewhat mimic their natural intake and to see what makes them thrive in captivity.
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/sugargliders/a/sgfeeding.htm

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Amount:

Feed about a half cup a day with fresh water on the side(dish or bottle) per glider.

Fruits/Vegetables - feed 2-3 daily

    * Frozen mixed veggies(peas, corn, carrot, green beans)
    * Broccoli, (cooked or raw)
    * Cauliflower, (cooked)
    * Grapes, Any color
    * Apples
    * Oranges
    * Pears
    * Melons(any kind)
    * Persimmons, (a treat since they are expensive, try an oriental grocer for cheaper ones)
    * Pinto beans, (cooked)every once in a while, not daily; very starchy
    * Rice, (cooked)every once in a while, not daily
    * Potato, (cooked or raw)every once in a while, not daily; very starchy
    * Sweet Potato, (cooked or raw)every once in a while, not daily; very starchy
    * Squash,(butternut, gooseneck, acorn) (cooked or raw)
    * Peaches, Apricots, Plums, Nectarines, Cherries: fruit only, not the pits. Pits and woods of these plants are poisonous.

Note: Feed fresh or frozen, but check to make sure the frozen items do not have added salt.

Protein (pick one daily):

    * Chicken, skinless is best, grilled is best but baked, nuked or boiled is fine
    * Steak(any red meat), well done
    * Pork, grilled with no fat(most pork today is pretty lean)
    * Nuts, not more than once a week, very fatty
    * Cheese, not more than once a week, very fatty
    * Egg, scrambled(well done) with the shell ( you can save the shells when you use
      eggs to cook with but nuke them before serving, many eggs in this country
      have Salmonella )

Supplement:

You will need a calcium supplement. Elwin recommends RepCal with No Phosphorus. Sprinkle lightly over cut up food and mix well. This is very important. If you do not feed a calcium supplement, you risk your glider developing Hind Leg Paralysis or metabolic bone disease, in which the glider's body begins breaking down bones to stay alive. This can lead to a painful death if not treated, and can be prevented by supplementing adequate calcium. .
http://www.sugargliders.org/gliderinfo/diets/elwin.htm


QUOTE(hamster9 @ Apr 15 2007, 01:55 PM)
here's Chibi...and how she sleeps...  wub.gif 

a sugar glider who thinks she's a human.... doh.gif  and can even tell u she wanna poop and pee too... wub.gif 

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Chibi sleeps like that? Wahhh... cute.

How she tells you that she wanna poop and pee? blink.gif


Added on April 15, 2007, 5:39 pmQuickly change their diet and get vitamin and calcium supplements to save them before another glider dies.....

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Apr 15 2007, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE(hamster9 @ Apr 15 2007, 11:21 PM)
yeah...and she sleeps like that most of the time....

when she's hungry she will lick my finger...then if no response...she'll nib it.... no response somemore...she'll back

when she wanna poo or pee...she will hiss... if she cannot wait for me...she will climb out of the bag and walk few inches away and poo and pee...and walk in back to her bag...  wub.gif 

before that i was nagging her away... like  "Why you poo inside ur sheep or the bag..later u sleep dirty bla bla bla bla..." and she seems to know what I am talking to her.  wub.gif Then she from that time onwards din poo inside her bag.

She wants me to wipe her @$$ after she poo or pee wan  laugh.gif
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Yer.... ask to wipe backside.... so cute hahaahh
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QUOTE(khairizha @ Apr 16 2007, 12:25 PM)
FYI,
I gave my gliders mealworm, heinze cereal, fruits, applesauce...they just dun eat egg and chicken eventhough i tried to give them
i dun give them apple oni..but i stated there that i gave them apple only because im trying to find the reason why they are dead.....
i got my gliders since last year and they must be die earlier if i ONI GIVE APPLE .
and sumore cici for sure will eat the twins if she cannot get enough nutrients rite?..
my problem now is oni that there are no more gerber babyfood in the market.
i know about the mix and even try to buy it....

sang terap...thanks for the very good advise.
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You left a very important thing out.... calcium supplement. As stated in the quote from the website, they also said that calcium supplement is a must.

Apples in 1 week won't cause death so you got no need to blame apples about it. If fruits, what kind of fruits have you been feeding? If you do not state, then we would not know like when you stated you give apples and applesauce.... Your gliders could be lacking of something important in their diet.... which is why the sudden death. It doesn't take a diet to kill an animal in a short while, it goes with time.... as time pass, the body would slowly break down... erm... like smoking. If you smoke 1 cig, won't die rite? But if you smoke 3 packs for a few years, your risk will rise and 1 day may drop dead.....

Now, the most important thing is how are the other 2 gliders now? Are they showing such bad signs? If you feed apples, did you take out the seed? Coz the seed is very poisonous.
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QUOTE(alieamin @ Apr 16 2007, 07:43 PM)
ha? really dunno about this. will they eat that seed?
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Grape seed and apple seeds.... any fruit seed is poisonous.... So if we feed grapes and apples, always take out the seed and peel the skin.... apple skin still ok lah but must wash properly but grape skin, I read somewhere that it is not good for them too. So best take precaution.

Seeds from Kiwi, dragon fruit and blueberries are fine.... but other fruits with seeds like starfruit, also must take out.
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QUOTE(khairizha @ Apr 16 2007, 08:12 PM)
sorry crazymouse..
i dont mean to offence but i just really sad about it..
seriously don't know about the seed is very poisonous..
what i'm trying to tell is that in this week i just give apple and is there any possibility that the apple contain smtg wrong..that's all i just want to ask.
because my gliders died without any sign such as weak or sick sign..
they all being active like usual but suddenly dead..
i really respect u as a very knowledge person that's y i asked u..
about the calcium...is mealworm and baby cereal not enough for calcium?..
because i think before this i was advised not to use calcium powder to gliders and
i cannot remember who told  me....
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You can use calcium powder for Reptiles on gliders, but not calcium supplements for humans unless you are certain the one for humans doesn't contain phosphorus, it has Vit D3 and it is not from milk product.

I know you are sad but we can try to help you find out. I thought you only feed apples so that is why I list down what apples contain. Did you gliders ears stand up or lay flat? Coz the ears tell if they are sick or not.

Anyway, mealworms do not provide calcium. In fact, they are high in phosphorus, which is not that good so that is why we must balance the diet out with calcium supplement.
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QUOTE(krynzpeaches @ Apr 17 2007, 09:41 AM)
Wahh CFP, dah siap your DIY cage... I couldn't even go to the hardware store this weekend cuz so bz before rushing to PD...

Anyhow, 5ft??? That's freaking huge blink.gif Chika sure syok sakan tongue.gif

Went to PD, brought Iggy along, since I dun have a portable cage yet, let him free in the hotel room, damn syiok him smile.gif But at 2 am he jumped onto my face while I was sleeping, so shocked that I said okay, enough roaming, have to put him in the closet tongue.gif Lucky the closet design got lots of holes... But I woke up almost every hour to check on him...Then at 6 and let him out again smile.gif He was a good boy biggrin.gif

Ohh, and he barked!!! He finally barked smile.gif Kindda weird tho cuz dunno what he wants... Went to him, open the cage, rub2 his head and body and all, but he was still barking... Ask him to come out, he didn't move but kept on barking... Then he quiet himself... blink.gif

On the other hand, seems like so many thins have happened...

Khairizha, may your suggies RIP. Won't say anything more as the rest have said their peace. Hope your other 2 will be taken care of and be fine smile.gif

Crazymouse, gave Iggy some dragonfruit the other day, he loves it, but eat, eat, then shake, shake his head, eat, eat, then shake, shake his head blink.gif Probably the trying to make out the seeds... Ohh, he doesn't seem to be finishing his mix like before lah... He eats about half only of what I normally put...

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Wah... Iggy went on a holiday heheheh....

Now you know how Kiah jumps on face hahahaha.

Well, maybe Iggy doesn't like the taste of pumpkin.... my friend's glider LOVES the pumpkin mix... so weird....
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No vets in Malaysia will neuter glider here for their testicals are too small.... most likely his bald spot is just not fully formed....
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Har? Is it? Aiyoh..... why so weird? LOL.... my friend's damn picky glider LOVES the pumpkin.... how much have your glider eaten from the mix?
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All pampered too much hahahah.... but for kiah, she would eat lah.... Mango or Pumpkin.... she will eat hahahah....
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Maybe she is used to it hahahah.... but then every mix she would taste.... so if she eats, then yah, I'll only sell heheheh....

But I guess there are some picky gliders around.... so no choice. You guys must tell me what your gliders like and dislike so I can do something about it. So far, I find Mixed Fruits is the safest to go hahahah.
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QUOTE(coldfusionpower @ Apr 19 2007, 09:42 AM)
ya .. chika like the mixed fruit .. but don't like the mango,apple,pear .i guess she doesn't like mango or pear 

btw, what is the smoothie ? same as the mix ?

do i need any thing else beside fresh fruits and the mix everyday ? vitamin or sumthing ..
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Mixed fruits got pear inside... so probably she don't like mango hahahah...

Smoothie is pure mixture of blended fruits...

All the mix sudah ada vitamin and calcium, so no need additional supplements.
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wah... you guys are like worried moms hehehe... anyway, as long a glider eats something a day then it is ok. Sickness you would be able to see from the poop, facial expression and the amount of sleep and activeness of the glider gets....

Last night Kiah only wanted 2 crickets, normally she will want as many possible but she tolak my hand and ate a bit of mix... On and off Kiah either eats half or finishes, it really depends on her appetite.

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