Well if you read Colossians 2:14-15, that is what it says.

Do you know what is walking in the spirit, have I not mention this before, what is the end objective of walking in the spirit and how do you get the end objective? You have not read what I wrote, haven't you? NO wonder you keep asking me repeated questions. No wonder you are perplex.


Jesus did not come to abolish the Law, He came to fulfill it true but only He could, no on else can.

If others could, He didn't need to come and fulfill it.

Do you understand what is the sole purpose of the Law?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 29 2018, 07:59 PM

Yes, I know what is covenant BUT do you know what is the covenant in the New Testament which God cuts with his people?

Mr. Wong, It's very crucial you answer my question in Post #1230. Do you have the correct understand? It's crucial you understand what I'm asking.

He came to the cross to die for our sins. Yes, fulfilled the Law.

BUT the verse says he didn't abolish the Law! It still stands! We must still obey the commandments.



"I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished" - Matthew 5:17-18

"Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven." 19 - 20




God's LAW is Good! Even as a Christian, you're still keeping HIS commandments.

That is not correct.

That is why I knew you DON'T understand the purpose of God's law from your answer above.

Because if you understood, you will understand why Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law.

Can you study abit more on this before proceeding?

UW, a Covenant takes two hands to clap. It's not a one direction thing. A Covenant can be broken! That's the point i'm trying to make. We can break our Covenant with God.

That's why we cannot be "Once Saved, Always Saved". God is always faithful. He will keep His side of the bargain. We on the other hand are not.




People often wrongly quote 2 Timothy 2:13 to suggest that God is faithful to save us when we are faithless. Paul is saying the opposite.

If we deny him — we deny that he is to be preferred over the things we want in this life — he also will deny us. 2 Timothy 2:11

What will he deny us? He will deny us the privilege of being with him, of reigning with him.

We will have eternal security & be declared OSAS, WHEN we get to Heaven. NOT now.

Christians are still keeping the LAW by not committing murder, stealing, adultery, etc. I don't see what you're getting at.

Dinner time, ciao!

I understand your concern and do you know why you are not consistent of keeping your side of the bargain? And why you can fail and therefore lose your Salvation?

I don't subscribe to your doctrine, I'm asking to help you understand where you are missing it.

You are completely missing the purpose of God's Law.

Take your time, while you're having dinner...I'm starting to do spring cleaning..I may not answer immediately but pls have patience with me.

I really need you to understand this key point, once you do, you will understand where I'm coming from.

And Once you get this key point, I hope the suspicion and misunderstanding you have towards me will be cleared.


ps: BTW I forgot to tell you...Only Christ could fulfilled the Law, I didn't talk about only He could die on the cross. Him dying on the cross is not the purpose of the Law. And that reason stands..If anyone could fulfill the Law, Christ did not need to come. <--- I felt you completely miss this key point too.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 29 2018, 08:25 PM

My understanding is that after Jesus came to die on the Cross, there was no longer need for ceremonial, ritualistic, sacrificial laws.

No more Mosaic Law stuff like : circumcision, burning animals,etc.

But it is carnal, if we say we are free from the law of God. We're still keeping His commandments & that to me is a form of practicing obedience.

Edited :

Wokehh! After dinner cont

So anyway, here's a little something to ponder upon :



Excerpt :



Are you aware that when Paul preached in the New Testament, all he had was the Old Testament from which to preach?

Are you aware that most of the New Testament is either direct quotation or an exposition of the Old Testament?

Do you not realize that the Old Testament was what Jesus was referring to when He said to the Jews, “Search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have life and they are they which testify of Me”?

Is Psalm 1 only for the Old Testament people? Only the self-destructive fool concludes so. But what does it say?

“Blessed is the man… (whose) delight is in the Law of the Lord; and in His Law does he meditate both day and night….”

It also says, “The ungodly are not so, but are like the chaff which the wind drives away.” If Psalm 1 is only for Jews of old and days long gone, why do the religious read it?

Why does one gain comfort from the Psalms? Why does the New Testament quote from the Psalms if they are no longer relevant?

Many are aware of these words in Proverbs: “Where there is no vision, the people perish…” but few pay attention to the rest of that verse: “…but he that keeps Your Law, happy is he” (Proverbs 29:18).

Psalm 119 is full of Law. The longest psalm of all is about God’s precious and holy Law.

How could anything testify of the one and only begotten Son of God, the One “full of grace and truth” without having the substance? Such would not be a true witness or do God justice.

But it is the Word of God, no less, and of that same Old Testament Paul said to Timothy, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works” (II Tim. 3:16).

So many professing believers like to quote this one too, not stopping to consider that while they think it speaks of the New Testament, it really speaks of the Old at that time.

They also deny the law while quoting this Scripture that declares that ALL Scripture (including the law) is profitable, not for ideas, or suggestions, or explanations, but for doctrine, reproof, correction, for instruction in righteousness… What righteousness? The righteousness which is by faith and not by the law, of course. And to what end? That the man of God MAY BE PERFECT, THOROUGHLY FURNISHED UNTO ALL GOOD WORKS!” Are we perfected by the law? Partly, yes. By grace? Partly, yes. By faith? Partly, yes. By obedience? Partly, yes. None of these are dispensable in the salvation of any soul.

So it is. Jesus said, “He that has My commandments and keeps them, he it is that loves me…”

And may I add James’ words as well: “But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Do you see how faith wrought with his works, and by works was FAITH MADE PERFECT?

And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteousness: and he was called the FRIEND OF GOD.

You see then how that BY WORKS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED, AND NOT BY FAITH ONLY” (James 2:20-24)? So then, are we also perfected by works? According to James, yes, works growing out of genuine faith.


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I've been through the passage of James before, where Faith without works is dead.

This post has been edited by Mr. WongSF: Jan 29 2018, 09:30 PM

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it." - Colossians 2:14-15



You quoted Colossians 2:14-15. So i went to read it. I understand Colossians 2:14-15 perfectly. What is the problem here?


But if you would have me believe, that this passage refers to the cancellation of God’s law completely misrepresent Paul’s powerful teaching analogy.

After all, if Jesus came to do away with His Father’s Law, there would have been no need for Him to give His life for us since “where there is no law there is no transgression”.

See :

"Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression." - Romans 4:15

"For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. " - [B]Romans 5:13
[/B]
His death on the cross was to show our insufficiency to follow His Laws completely/100% & that mankind needed a Saviour.

Doesn't mean the Law no longer exist for the New Testament folks! You yourself can testify to this. Are you not following the Moral Laws of the 10 commandments now?

We are still under the law. It is our guide to correct behavior.


So what is your agenda really?

This post has been edited by Mr. WongSF: Jan 29 2018, 11:20 PM

Just 6:00 mins long.

Oh yeah??!! You think i have no reply to your questions?!! Your questions are the most COMMON arguments that OSAS believers use!

You think you're so smart trying to keep catching me using Hebrews 6 & 10???!!!

So now i'm replying to your Post 1230

You are naive to think that everyone who sins away their salvation actually gets to come back! Either that, or your Christian walk have been a very shallow experience.

Whether the HS draws a person back 5 times, 100 times, or lets them drift & never come back, is entirely dependent on the Mercy of God. Not your call!

"If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, he will die for it." - Ezekiel 33:18

"But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live?

All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned(remembered): in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die." - Ezekiel 18:24

Of course Ezekiel implies spiritual death for the believer!

For everybody, whether believer or unbeliever, dies a physical death without exception. & unbelievers are already spiritually dead by default.


A person can get saved again, just like the prodigal did (Luke 15:24-32).....if the BACKSLIDER returns.

"For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry."

Can you see the words alive AGAIN? Why AGAIN? Did he actually die?

The implication here is that he died spiritually but was renewed. It would have been ridiculous to assume it was a physical death.







King David Sinned With Adultery

Was King David a Bible-defined "adulterer" or "murderer" for approximately nine months or longer?

To answer, we must consider how many times does one have to murder or commit adultery to be considered a "murderer" or "adulterer," according to the Scriptures?

Again, according to the Bible, what is the answer? It is very clear! Lev. 20:10 states:

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife --with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

Clearly from this Scripture, a one-time act of adultery makes a person an "adulterer" or an "adulteress." Proverbs adds to that with this knockout verse, which ends the eternal security debate:

Whoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding; He who does so destroys his own soul. - Prov. 6:32

"Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. - Psalm 51:11


You think David would have died spiritually? Or are you going to say the HS was only given out on Pentecost? Answer me UW ! ! ! !




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Examples of OSAS Scripture Twisting

Demas did not apostatize, he simply did not want to partake in Paul's persecutions, so left him to have a calmer life. His "love of the world" was merely a desire for a calm life, not an abandonment of God for the world!

The church in Ephesus was not in danger of "losing" their salvation, because they were told to "repent". This meant they never HAD repented, thus were never saved to begin with!

In the parable of the sower, only the seed in the good ground was truly saved. The other seed merely "tasted" salvation, but proof of their lack of true salvation was that they fell away from what faith they "appeared to have".

In verses on needing to hold fast during testing or being faithful to the end, the teaching was that true believers simply would hold fast.

In the parable of the unfruitful branches being cut off, these were again, merely false believers in the church.

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According to true grace teaching, eternal life is also a HOPE (Titus 3:7), yet to be REAPED (Gal. 6:8,9) in the AGE TO COME (Mk. 10:30) for only the ones who PERSIST IN DOING GOOD (Rom. 2:7) and DO NOT GROW WEARY AND GIVE UP (Gal. 6:9).



You want more? Here :

https://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/mel.htm

https://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/ken.htm

https://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/hebrews.htm Hebrews 6 reply to your question!!

http://www.thepathoftruth.com/falsehood-ex...lways-saved.htm









Tell me, are the many warnings in the Bible simply written for the benefit of unbelievers and hypocrites? God doesn't make idle threats, lie or give useless admonitions!

The danger of falling away is not real to you. That's because you cling on to OSAS soooo hard!



* as for the RED highlighted, you have been ignoring the many scripture verses that i've posed to you. So don't go accusing me now.

It's unbelievable that every time scripture is explained to you, and it doesn't match with your teaching, you think others can't understand scripture rightly!

You twist scripture to suit yourself so badly, whether consciously or unconsciously, your teachings are heretical!

Your pride has blinded you & has played a part in you not changing!

It's indeed true that the Bible says that,

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers(UW), having itching ears;" - 2 Timothy 4:3

Go ahead & continue supporting your Joel Osteens & Rick Warrens & Joseph Princes of the world!



Final question :

Between God and Satan, who would want you to believe that you CAN'T lose your salvation no matter what you say or do?

"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:" - Genesis 3:4




Thank You & God Bless!

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority. Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you. They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing, but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness. These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. What the true proverb says has happened to them: "The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire."
2 Peter 2:1‭-‬22 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2pe.2.1-22.ESV

John 10:28, " And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

This itself is a very straightforward clear message to state then a person's salvation is permanent. The law and the ultimate death by the law is not applicable.

Having said so, back to the question does it mean it gives a license to the person to kill and get to heaven still?
even if he kills, he will go to heaven. Yes, this concept is true.
but what is doubtfully true, is the person's salvation to begin with.

John 14:15 ,"If ye love me, keep my commandments"

1 John 2:3, "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments"

1 John 5:3, "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous"

1 Corinthians 7:19 ,"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God."

It is true, we as Christians are told to observe the commandments of God.
To obey Jesus Christ's commandments.

But, that doesnt mean if we disobey, it impacts our salvation.
THAT IS IF SALVATION EXISTED TO BEGIN WITH.

John 14:15 ESV / 33 helpful votes HelpfulNot Helpful

“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

Matthew 22:36-38 ESV / 30 helpful votes

“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment.

2 John 1:6 ESV / 26 helpful votes

And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it.

Exodus 20:1-26 ESV / 20 helpful votes

And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, ...

2 Peter 1:5-7 ESV / 17 helpful votes

For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.

1 John 5:21 ESV / 16 helpful votes

Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

1 John 2:15 ESV / 15 helpful votes

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Hebrews 13:5 ESV / 14 helpful votes

Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

1 John 4:21 ESV / 13 helpful votes

And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

1 John 4:8 ESV / 13 helpful votes

Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

1 John 2:4-5 ESV / 13 helpful votes

Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:

1 John 4:12 ESV / 10 helpful votes

No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

Matthew 5:1-48 ESV / 10 helpful votes

Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him. And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying: “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. ...

Deuteronomy 10:12-13 ESV / 10 helpful votes

“And now, Israel, what does the Lord your God require of you, but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in all his ways, to love him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, and to keep the commandments and statutes of the Lord, which I am commanding you today for your good?

1 John 4:16 ESV / 9 helpful votes

So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

1 John 4:11 ESV / 9 helpful votes

Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

2 Peter 1:10 ESV / 9 helpful votes

Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall.

Matthew 7:12 ESV / 9 helpful votes

“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Deuteronomy 6:1-9 ESV / 9 helpful votes

“Now this is the commandment, the statutes and the rules that the Lord your God commanded me to teach you, that you may do them in the land to which you are going over, to possess it, that you may fear the Lord your God, you and your son and your son's son, by keeping all his statutes and his commandments, which I command you, all the days of your life, and that your days may be long. Hear therefore, O Israel, and be careful to do them, that it may go well with you, and that you may multiply greatly, as the Lord, the God of your fathers, has promised you, in a land flowing with milk and honey. “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. ...

1 John 4:7 ESV / 8 helpful votes

Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.

1 John 3:10-23 ESV / 8 helpful votes

By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. We should not be like Cain, who was of the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own deeds were evil and his brother's righteous. Do not be surprised, brothers, that the world hates you. We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers. Whoever does not love abides in death. ...

2 Peter 3:18 ESV / 7 helpful votes

But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

1 Peter 3:8-12 ESV / 7 helpful votes

Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind. Do not repay evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary, bless, for to this you were called, that you may obtain a blessing. For “Whoever desires to love life and see good days, let him keep his tongue from evil and his lips from speaking deceit; let him turn away from evil and do good; let him seek peace and pursue it. For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer. But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.”

Hebrews 13:1-3 ESV / 7 helpful votes

Let brotherly love continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. Remember those who are in prison, as though in prison with them, and those who are mistreated, since you also are in the body.

Hebrews 10:22-25 ESV / 7 helpful votes

Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

2 Timothy 2:22-25 ESV / 7 helpful votes

So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,

Zechariah 8:17 ESV / 7 helpful votes

Do not devise evil in your hearts against one another, and love no false oath, for all these things I hate, declares the Lord.”

Psalm 119:32-35 ESV / 7 helpful votes

I will run in the way of your commandments when you enlarge my heart! Teach me, O Lord, the way of your statutes; and I will keep it to the end. Give me understanding, that I may keep your law and observe it with my whole heart. Lead me in the path of your commandments, for I delight in it.

Psalm 119:10 ESV / 7 helpful votes

With my whole heart I seek you; let me not wander from your commandments!

Exodus 34:28 ESV / 7 helpful votes

So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Revelation 14:12 ESV / 6 helpful votes

Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

Revelation 12:17 ESV / 6 helpful votes

Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

Jude 1:20-23 ESV / 6 helpful votes

But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life. And have mercy on those who doubt; save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh.

3 John 1:11 ESV / 6 helpful votes

Beloved, do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God.

1 John 4:15 ESV / 6 helpful votes

Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

1 Peter 3:15-17 ESV / 6 helpful votes

But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil.

Titus 3:2 ESV / 6 helpful votes

To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

2 Timothy 3:2-5 ESV / 6 helpful votes

For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

1 Timothy 6:11-14 ESV / 6 helpful votes

But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness. Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1 Timothy 5:8 ESV / 6 helpful votes

But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

1 Timothy 4:12-16 ESV / 6 helpful votes

Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity. Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to exhortation, to teaching. Do not neglect the gift you have, which was given you by prophecy when the council of elders laid their hands on you. Practice these things, immerse yourself in them, so that all may see your progress. Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.

1 Timothy 2:1 ESV / 6 helpful votes

First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people,

Colossians 3:23 ESV / 6 helpful votes

Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,

Calm down bro, you're going bonkers..all over the place.

Do you know What is the sole purpose of God's Law? I can assure you, you have missed it completely even if I show you the answer, you will not believe it. You will stare at the answer but you will not perceive it! Want to see if I'm right about this?

ps: you still did not answer my question to you about fields.

Do you consent, you don't know? Or do you still want to try?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 30 2018, 09:48 AM

Don't get what you mean by your last phrase in caps.

I can assure you no one human can guarantee another's salvation.
Salvation is between the person and God.
We can only assume a person is saved by their fruits.

But it is also written in numerous places in the New Testament about people who thought they were saved, but in fact and truth are not.

If a person is truly saved, would he have worshiped other Gods?
The above is a high-level example. now lets move on to the more specific explanation.

If a person is truly saved, would he have continue sinning against God?
Observe i did say continue sinning because as christians it doesnt mean zero sin (even the Apostle Paul is not able to do it), but we can only sin-LESS.

God will chasten those who sin.. In His own way.
But back to the main topic is, if a person is saved, he wouldnt choose to be a killer.
But if he's saved, even if he killed, he is still, saved.

Ah, so you believe in predestination but still didn't get what you said If Salvation exist.

It has to exist whether you go with predestination vs Free Will.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jan 30 2018, 10:55 AM