You forgot that I won't say anything much that touches any cars related to buddies companies?

You too ego to win until twisting elsewhere or you don't know anything about Elantra Sport? Do you really own this car in the first place? Or its just a borrowed unit?

You don't need to mod a car to test its turboboost. The Elantra Sport is all original and new. What you said just hinted that the bunch of useless korean marketing people probably don't know anything about Elantra Sport, another wanted to buy Japanese makes mentality probably. No wonder so easily defeated by Japanese cars.

Those Korean companies are dumbest to brain drain the best people to Japanese rivals. That's why Japanese marketing knew so much about Korean cars.

Don't pm, post link here to share if found. My buddies with fb can view and show me shows that guy. I can check how good that guy is.

Do I look like I own Fiesta 1.0T Ecoboost? It's a car that I won't buy because it failed practicality.

output 123hp@6000rpm
Torque 170Nm@1,400-4,500rpm

You look at its torque, only twinscroll or VGT type turbocharger could kicks in from 1400rpm. A primitive turbo like what Kenny's selling can never do below 2000rpm.

You putar-belit yet wanted to say others putar. I'm still sticking to facts talk so far. If all my comments are wrong, you would have attacked each and every of them. Even the earlier fairy tale comments turned out to be facts when I completed the sentence.

I stated clearly twinscroll and VGT both able to assist from lower rpm unlike primitive turbo. If Elantra sport has twinscroll, you want to say its effective turbo assist doesn't start from 1500rpm? Lots of people love to round up 0.9 as 1.0 on the gauge reading, is there a problem rounded up to 1.0 when you're such type of person? Those Japanese marketing guys get to do anything they like and tweaked the car and got the reading i've posted, they do as they wish. So why you so butthurt when they can do things that you cannot do?

A turbocharger is rated based on category and also it's technology on how low rpm can it starts to assist eliminating lag and also how well can the turbo gradually increase boost. Like the primitive old turbo vs twinscroll/VGT reading, you can clearly see the newer more advanced VGT could assist early and get more boost sooner. Whereas the primitive turbo, the gap to increase boost is way bigger and crappier.

If BMW power turbo that combines small and large turbo, the boost is even more silky smooth when revving from idle gradually all the way to high. This is called technology and it's not just the boost gauge that counts. It is how effective the air and fuel burns in combustion chamber that create the strongest bang which is main factor.

Crap turbo and engine tech from Kenny could get 1.0 from small turbo and even 1.5 from large turbo, maybe hell tweak to 2.0 too but end up burning away his entire 52L fuel in tank in just short drive yet inefficient to create similar torque as the proper turbocharged car say the new Civic 2.0T type R.

Is there a problem if I chose not to share details of Civic turbo? I leave this part to Honda marketing, they are winning. Your Elantra Sport, if you really bought 1, your choice and chances are, you'll be just like the rare Veloster turbo and Koup turbo. I could easily bring up the Korean brand but after seeing how they treat my buddies, i'll just back off.

Talking about Malaysia sales only, German cars gave us 1 airbag first, then 2 and later 6-8. Same case with Japanese and Koreans. Local is local, there are always lower buying power customers that prefer just 2 airbags. If you failed to understand local demand, then you're surely failed if you're with product planning or marketing like Koreans and Nissan.

Even if it's not twinscroll, the design of its exhaust manifold that make port 1 & 3 clash with 2 & 4 to generate strong pressure allowing the new low inertia impeller to draw enough dense air from lower rpm. The design of the engine, air intake curved angle count as well.

Question is, you think local modshop knows how to come up with such manifold design? As told many times, they can buy the most advanced turbocharger from borgwarner but ability to put it to work is normally a no. It takes several factors that determine good efficiency, not like what modshop said, just put turbo and come up with their own piping can beat cars with stock turbocharger.

VGT mostly in diesel engine mainly because its design is more simple. Diesel engine has far more carbon buildup so it need s more simple straightforward approach to avoid high carbon buildup and difficulty in cleaning.

When popularity of stock cars with turbocharger came, there's already twinscroll turbocharger available. So they went for twinscroll turbo.

Still stuck with fairytale mentality? VGT design is far simpler than twinscroll. There's no such thing as VGT generating more heat. Whatever heat and pressure come from exhaust valve, turbocharger is just mechanism powered by exhaust gas. Diesel engines favour VGT because of simpler less carbon buildup and easy cleaning compared to twinscroll turbo.

Everyone knows that I only post facts and encourage people to find out and prove my facts right. Unlike the few here who cheated people into believing fairy tale. Even the downgraded fairy tale replies to you from me contain facts that you just need to complete the sentence. Those hated my comments mainly because they don't want the public especially customers knowing too much.

There's another Optima GT thread created by Korean supporter for mainly propaganda talk. This Optima GT thread is for open debate, brainstorm and discussion for all parties. If there's no point debating with me then why are you here? Can you prove all my comments are lies? The only thing that drags you down are more customers having too much knowledge and information. Unless you're with certain company products that you find too many smart customers threatening, otherwise there's no reason for you to be so desperate asking admin to remove all comments.

Success of online advertisements depend on number of different viewers. You can compare my Optima thread vs the other propaganda only Optima thread, how come my viewers and traffic far higher. Because public wanted not just pros and cons but other information and ways to evaluate cars.

You said stick to topic but never posted relevant car talk comments. You already violated your own suggestion from beginning. So how many Optima GT being bought by genuine individual that has link to any of the subsidiary nor personnel so far and paid using own hard earned money? You can see VW at that price on the road. The lower sales volume Volvo V40 too can be seen on the road. Where is Optima GT?

The Koup 1.6T that is priced lower, there's rarely 1 on the road. The Civic turbo with similar price plenty on the road. VW Jetta 1.4T when priced at rm140k, you can see numbers of them on the road too. What does this tell you?

Your failure to tell the cons of preve turbo compared to pug turbo, Volvo turbo, Honda turbo, Hyundai Kia turbo, tells you knew nothing about proper turbo at all. A turbocharged car is evaluated from intake to engine to turbocharger to exhaust layout design and technology. Not just 1 of it could determine entire turbo system. Only ah Beng mentality that compared to own modified turbo can't tell the pros of cars that come with proper turbo. Next time save money and buy proper car with turbocharger, not modify existing junk and put turbo then suffer poor low end torque and worst FC..

The detailed facts version wastegate function explanation puts most of you quiet because it is correct and shamed few of you who actually didn't know wastegate valve complete functions.

The VGT actuator is not in the exhaust manifold side but only at the other end of the impeller. All it does is only extend or retract the blades or fins for high or low exhaust pressure operation. The VGT turbocharger cleaning mostly on exhaust manifold and impeller, cleaning is easier and less prone to carbon buildup. Your comments clearly tells that you've never seen how people clean up carbon buildup especially diesel engines. Lol, you sure think brushing only. You should check how complex the twinscroll exhaust turbocharger and its exhaust manifold first.

I'm not surprised at all that you failed to complete the half details I posted on twinscroll turbo. So are the few of your buddies here except they backed off upon seeing the details. You're probably the weakest amongst them. Kesian, let me sedekah you the other part.

As told you, there are 2 inlet where 1 for low pressure and 1 for high pressure that goes into impeller. The exhaust manifold ports for 2 cylinder chambers that start first linked as low pressure manifold that goes into lower pressure inlet. The 2 more chambers exhaust linked into high pressure inlet. These 2 inlets called as twinscroll that flow low and high exhaust gas pressure to impeller allowing it to spin the compressor fast enough to effectively draw in dense air into combustion chamber. That's twinscroll turbo could assist from as low as 1200rpm in some configuration layout.

So you still want to talk fairytale?

@constant_weight replying to you too

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Aug 15 2017, 10:54 PM

You lost and started to reply to yourself.

Turbocharger primitive or advanced is judged based on type of turbocharger and the layout from intake to engine to exhaust.

The fiesta 1.0 ecoboost trying to minimize cost using 4-2-1 exhaust that spiraled to give it similar effects of twinscroll except its using single scroll turbo and able to assist from 1600rpm onwards. If it's fitted with twinscroll, it could assist from much lower rpm maybe 1200rpm onwards and reduce its underpowered no assist low end rpm.

Preve if it's using the same turbocharger as Fiesta, it could only assist from 2000rpm onwards, that's no different from Kenny's shop fitted turbocharger.

You know that 1.5 is taken from tweaked version Elantra sport. I really pity you and those Korean marketing staff, so eager to know how and what he did with that car.

You know the rules. When my buddies joined different companies, they won't be evaluating cars together anymore but with their own team. I wasn't there to evaluate and my point is to show the difference between new generation turbo and old generation obsolete turbo. Be it VGT or twinscroll, the conclusion is both are new generation turbo and able to put them to work only count as advanced.

Whereas modshop like Kenny and Preve turbo, these are examples of failures.

Infected journalist twist results like you. I still post facts except with restrictions by not posting pros of brands that challenge my buddies side. Nothing wrong with that. Korean cars lost, that's the Korean management fault. I'm just news commentator now.

Latest news, you can see how high Koreans throwing discount now. Starting to get cheaper than Japanese B segment cars and SUV. The principal blamed Malaysian taste, distributor blamed principal and sales blamed distributor. Why they never blamed themselves? They said economy not good but how come Honda CRV that priced 145k, 160k getting more and more on the road while cheaper new elantra and cerato still non on the road? Civic turbo also has more. Now city hybrid also can be seen on the road.

Inquiry done on several owners, they said they went for Honda because the Koreans look like they are going down, they never thought of buying even if price cut until B segment because it's still a big liability. You can see how effective my buddies strategies are.

This post has been edited by jayraptor: Aug 15 2017, 11:33 PM

Whenever I see Fiesta, i'll think of 4pot 1.6L and FL 1.5L. Since my time here is limited to tea time with friends who brought me the internet connection, I replied in a hurry and took the 4 pot version.

The 3pot fiesta 1.0L, I don't bother to remember that engine much because it's just Ford attempt to come up with something out of a cheap engine. Its manifold is 3-1 which left it with just single base turbo. But still ford managed to lower the effective turbo assist to 1600rpm. 3 ports can't fit twinscroll but it could still fit VGT.

As for you and the few here, you guys still failed to make the same turbo in fiesta 1.0 to work as efficient in the Preve. If this is debate competition, you guys are still on the losing end.

They don't clash in exhaust manifold but they do when on the outlet part when spinning the impeller at high end. Try harder to win with proper debate points next time. Not just hoping for me to type wrong thing and celebrate. I would sometimes type half first then the other half in next reply.

Of course you don't hate Japanese cars. Many Korean company staff love Japanese cars that they'll buy indeed. Only on forum and marketing talk, they hate Japanese brands. Also some in disguise as commoners too will say so when failed to come up with points to counter ace strategist by saying that strategist lacking facts.

Wow, your brain knowledge really poor probably only limited to ah Beng workshop level. You surely never seen how experts clean up exhaust manifold with too much carbon buildups.

Refer my reply to dares, I will always think of 1.6L and 1.5L fiesta engines with 4 pots because the 1.0 engine doesn't get much of my impression. You can. Say that's a typo error.

As for Honda, I knew its weaknesses and I can even help Koreans beat Honda with tons of strategies right now. The entire marketing department in Korean principal and distributor of both Korean companies combined can't even do that because they hired the unqualified like you and Andrew. However, my buddies in Japanese companies so I am not going to do that. Just sit back and enjoy the battle. Most laughable is those Korean marketing people reused my old strategies dug up from my old comments to counter the Japanese.

Lol, heat will travel. You never seen that actuator before nor knowing how this thing function? Actuator only push the blade housing in or out to allow exhaust gas pressure to flow and blow the impeller effectively. Still it has more room than twinscroll layout on the exhaust side which makes it ideal for diesel engine.

That heat thingy must be from some guy that felt VGT threaten his product sales so made up this story. TCU, ECU also electronic, does he say heat travel because they operate at all time compared to VGT actuator that only operates when required.

Ecoboost 1.0L is just part of Ford experiment with environment friendly engine. It uses timing belt to cut weight but added maintenance cost. They tried this engine on Mondeo end up underpowered with the 1.0L engine when without turbo assist. Even with turbo assist, the torque is not enough for the Mondeo. So this engine only fitted in lighter ford inventory which is the fiesta ecoboost. It done so bad with poor sales that it was withdrawn in few countries. Even Australia and Thailand rejected this engine. Won award so what, it failed in reality world and practicalily .

So how many fiesta 1.0 ecoboost on the street so far? Did you check Thailand and Australia inventory before you replied based on own assumption? Where is fiesta 1.0T now? No more? The flagship of fiesta is the ST. Reason being? Fiesta 1.0T failed practical maintenance and low end torque feeling underpowered. The fiesta chassis is not light and the 1.0 engine at low end without turbo assist perform so awful that people would rather get the NA 1.5L.