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 LYN Power Tools Discussion V2, Bosch, Makita, Dewalt, Dremel etc

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post Oct 1 2019, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 1 2019, 09:22 PM)
dont simply say la.. adui. dewalt table saw is way better than the stanley, yes i have one
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BTW, which model you ada? And not bought locally eyh? I was originally aiming at the DWE7491RS with 32" rip, if not, the DWE748xx.

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post Oct 1 2019, 10:42 PM

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if the DWE7470 is way better than the Stanley, and slightly more expensive (~RM1300) than that is a package (+3Y warranty, WOW)

Tunggu some shop bawa and display where i'm at, then ill further comment.

And yea, the GTS10xx is the smaller, more portable version of the 4100 workhorse, with the sawstop patent issue.
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post Oct 2 2019, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 2 2019, 08:14 AM)
Why not? I saw this on sale, just about Stanley price and 3 years warranty.

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/dewalt-t...ka1dm4slb0j7os2

dannygoh why not have a look at this? I'm no DeWalt salesman, but the brand is always my first choice even if the review might say Bosch (just) a bit better because 3 years warranty  laugh.gif
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waa, lagi murah.

Then seriously by all means, at that price point, its a good buy (3Y warranty). Why not?

But honestly, paying more for Dewalt rather than Stanley is a no brainer.
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post Dec 19 2019, 03:27 PM

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This week on Fun With Wood

last week potong the mix of Keruing and Kapur and woweeee first time jumpa such a troublesome wood.

It bogged my saws due to the resin still in the wood despite drying for months. The resin pushed out by static pressure of the saw, like squezzed lemon. Mcm my blade sudah bye bye.

Sorry, noob, first time jumpa resinous wood. Red balau even borneo ironwood no issue before.
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:13 AM

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dulu2 i use those tile/ceramic bits bila drill tile....

now i just use good SDS bit, hammer mode saja, 95% of the time, holes with 2-3mm surface crack around the rim of the hole. 1% major crack because org curi tulang pasang tile kosong. 4% kinda bad crack.

But since i drill too many holes in tile, i just dun care.
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post Feb 17 2020, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 17 2020, 09:08 AM)
Hilti is not new company. The target market is mainly contractor. that is why the price target is not for small few people contractors like in Malaysia mostly in home renovation. Even many of them not using pro Bosch series, Dewalt, Hitachi etc. Just use China cheaper one. They do not need to wait for repair or bother about warranty. They would just buy new replacement. If the tool cannot last longer than a year, they will just avoid the brand. The ROI is even better this way than investing on expensive tools.

They do not bother about brand name or long lasting more than 5 years lime most home hobbyists  laugh.gif
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they dun use cordless or chuck driver/drill, impact or whatnot

semua pakai drill biasa, tarik extension wire torn here and there, no plug cucuk 2 wire in. Pasang signboard 4 storeys high pakai wire china drill, took the time to tarik wire and all.

Sometimes its the matter of cost, but the question is efficiency.

But ada hal any china tool also makes no difference la, but sometimes, it matters. Just more time.
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post Feb 17 2020, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 17 2020, 09:20 AM)
Labor is cheap or get cheap labor. Motto used by most of them  smile.gif
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mistake bro, now labor mahal, more expensive than tools investment. a work that could be done in a week, would take these ppl 3 weeks, sbb kerja 3-4 jam satu hari. that is additional 12 days x 3 ppl = 36 days of gaji ~ boleh beli tool.

Ya ya, this calculation cannot pakai, but im in the field and the more time it takes, it is more expensive collectively.
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QUOTE(ianlti @ Feb 17 2020, 11:28 AM)
when labor = sg/us then tools investment will come accordingly. I hire those general workers before they prefer cheap tools due to the reason it will overheat easily and sometimes breakdown during work. They will take that as an excuse to snake.

Recently I hire someone to core a 6" hole in a 400mm RC slab. Main con said they can do it without hiring professionals. During the commission day, they bought low-end tools which cost them 1.5k and fail to core the slab ended up wasting 1 full day of a workday. (1 Engineer 1 supervisor 2 GW) 8hours you can estimate the manpower wasted and downtime cost too. I overwrite the main-con and hired professional corer who used Hilti/Shibuya and they can core each hole through 16mm RB 400mm Slab about 30min per hole.

After the job that main-con was banned from the tendering list.
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right on, experience from the field.

Time is gold. Currently ada project RM450k to transfer equipment from one building to one building. sounds so simple. By right, i can cut cost, get GW to pindah it, pocket 445k for other aspect of the project. But then, something rosak, kena repair, project time over, kena penalty up to 3% of contract cost per day. Not worth the risk ler.
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post Feb 20 2020, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Feb 19 2020, 10:51 PM)
For DB box (i.e. electricity turned off) replacement I will need to drill 4 holes to install the new DB box.
However the wall is (I suspect) 25-30 years old concrete wall which I don't think a cheap cordless impact driver on 12V will make any impact even for 5.5mm hole size laugh.gif
Cost of 18V rotary hammer is too high for a whole set  sweat.gif

I think best to hook up my corded rotary hammer (2-24) from next door neighbour.
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Kawan, Bosch GBH180-Li cheap cheap now Rm450 ish solo. If you don't have battery, about time to invest laaaa.
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post Feb 23 2020, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Feb 22 2020, 10:56 PM)
Yeah; with all the cordless going about 82V type; Makita join the 40V gang; etc etc.. Oh my; its going to be an explosion of powertools in the market.

Maybe time to put the msia market to cordless according to tier biggrin.gif

Msia market:

Tier 1: Hilti; Makita; Milwaukee, (top bunch) (Commercials+ Real builders/renovator)

Tier 2: Bosch; Dewalt; Hikoki

Tier 3: The rest not in the list.

Ok Great; Milwaukee have it. thank you~
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Just like Seiko, they make low end watch, as wll as their super high end pedigree, Grand Seiko, Credor, but ppl always assume Seiko is cheap.

Just like Bosch, they make lower end, and their higher end. Ppl dun go their higher end sbb mahal. I have few Makita BL cordless, at the same price spectrum, Bosch EC is equivalent if not better. I got the Bosch GBH 18V-26, deciding against the Dewalt, Milwaukee and the Makita cordless ~1", the Bosch is the better quality (for the 1" cordless) even against the Milwaukee (IMHO, nanti milwaukee kaki marah) and the price/performance.

But generally, Milwaukee is the better quality if price is not an issue, that's the general understanding.

So to say, Bosch is Tier 2, even Dewalt as Tier 2. And Hilti and Milwaukee as TOP BUNCH is tidak berapa accurate. Hilti is just RARE in Malaysia, only contractor leasing/rental program itu machiem if im not mistaken. The other parts of the world, pick your weapon saja, and pay for it.

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post Feb 23 2020, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(odour_stop @ Feb 23 2020, 07:23 PM)
Hilti kinda in its own world. They have different market target. They aren't really automotive neither woodworking.

Milwaukee only popular in north America, they are good in marketing. They have almost every tool you need and they offer power. But Milwaukee has the worse quality. Becareful for their "first" version of any tool. Wait for second or third gen. The only reason they a favored is their 5 years warranty in North America.

Dewalt are better quality.

Bosch are hit and miss. Theg invent alot of tools and I think they catching up with the market. New high demand battery and they are 50% Germany, 50% China-Malaysia. Their Germany counter part really doing well because they share technology. Like their circular base plate with Mafell. Sortimo tool box, latest work light with Flex. Rupes and the list goes on.
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You know your shit. What I learn from bosch, the better range are almost always good, the more common range okay la for the price.

And network in Malaysia very good, semua shop jual bosch, semua tempat ada service centre.

QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Feb 23 2020, 07:29 PM)
i`m grading in term of value; range availability of power tools and long term like swap-able option and last durability over time.
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Makita are never that good in value, apa lagi hilti milwaukee. Durability, my bosch semua tahan ler, I still have my father's 20 years old jigsaw. But, what is there to swap? Makita has the largest range of cordless if that is what you mean, like coffee maker
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Feb 24 2020, 01:24 AM)
But the problem is that I think Makita got too many overlapping product that its too hard to buy (hard to compare).. imagine Myvi launch with 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.45 1.5 1.6 1.8L engine especially cordless driver/rotary tool. And their website not that user friendly to compare all in one category. So that can map out a price/performance value between the price of product (eg on shopee) vs the features (BL non-BL, 2 mode 3 mode) etc.
Mau beli cordless rotary, keep on seeing that electric jacket search results  laugh.gif

One thing, even abrasives (sandpaper), beli bosch punya mahal but can use until botak.
Buy cheap ones, all the sand came off within 10 passes of sanding down my wooden countertop  cry.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 24 2020, 08:40 AM)
Is that so? I thought the Bosch product line even more overlapping. They manufacture in many places and each places has slightly different naming and even use different motor to reduce cost  laugh.gif

For consumable part, more like trial and error if you use unknown one. If lucky you can get China cap ayam that is good with price probably half  laugh.gif Problen is China one you don't have brand names  laugh.gif
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Makita is the worst in term of product offerings, im so confused when selecting something from their range. Drill/driver ada like 10+ units, dunno apa beza, impact ada another 10+ units. Bosch punya takde lel, tengok2 cordless punya sikit tu jer. But some are banyak, like their grinders pun banyak, beza deisgn sikit, slim, motor lebih sikit, got liek almost 10 models. Depends i guess, some range of a brand has more?

That day beli cordless brush cutter oso confuse, like 6 models, apa beza dunno, spec sama saja, rupa sama saja. eventually i told them come over my place, i want to cut grass, they datang bawa 3 models that i have shortlisted, so potong rumput i go (exercise). eventually...the one with the 6" longer, straight shaft was picked.

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QUOTE(limcc @ Feb 27 2020, 01:23 AM)
I don't think Makita Drill/Hammer Drill models are confusing, unless you include models from years ago. Current makita 18V Drills only has 4 model: DDF481 is heavy duty; DDF482 is general purpose with brush motor; DDF483 is light duty sub-compact; DDF484 is general purpose with brushless motor, that's it. substitue DDF with DHP you get hammer drill. The DDF/DHP45X are outdated models. Makita North America label their models with XFD and XPH, different from the rest of the world. eg, DDF484 is XFD12. obviously Makita also make 14.4V, 10.8v/12v, 7.2v, 3.6v....

For comparsion, Bosch GSR/GSB 18V has similar range. Same goes to Dewalt, Milwaukee, Hitachi, bascially every brand offer different model for different purposes.
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nanti i balik office i ambik gambar theri catalgoue

you explain in such a short sweet way....makita also confuse bila ckp, or me confuse when they talk. either way.

Say, i would like LXT impact, 200nm min, shortest body length to accomodate tight space. what would that be? And, a BL motor LXT driver/drill with quick-hex socket, also shortest body length, ~ torque 40nm should be okay?
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12x12, almost 6 inch thick. Sudah beli, mesti pakai. The day before buat 5" dia exhaust for dryer.

Chisel sudah tumpul, then cannot use grinder to cut because the whole house dusty nanti. Still cannot find proper dust attachment for grinder.
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QUOTE(aneip @ Jun 26 2020, 02:36 PM)
How long it takes to complete the hole?
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cleaning aside, 30+ min. Could have been faster, but too many premise, hammer pun tak tahu mana. the only one i have is a small cross peen pin hammer...

cleaning kira..almost 2 hours.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 26 2020, 03:35 PM)
I would normally use grinder to cut a groove. Than rotary hammer to have a clean hole cut.

So no need to cement repair the crack edge. Which is very ugly after repair. (Not my expect)
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mmng i want to do that, but that is my TV room...its going to be super messy. However, the ventilation fan covers all the crak anyways, so no extra work required, i considered that masa buat kerja too.


QUOTE(Zot @ Jun 26 2020, 03:59 PM)
I saw many grinder dust extractors in Shopee that would work for Bosch and others. I think around RM60~70. Some with different size attachment for rare size as well.

Yes, without dust extractor it become very cloudy like thunderstorm is coming  laugh.gif
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bosch dust extractor x mahal pun, rm150 ish ish, but i cant fit the slim grip bosch grinder i have.
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Kalau 1 year drill less than 10 holes, dont buy cordless apa lagi rotary, tidak balik modal one.

The new GBH18-26 very gooding la comapred to my wired HR2470 and GBH 18V-LI. Sudah balik modal many fold liao rclxms.gif I wonder how much would ppl charge to do these ooo.

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QUOTE(yushin @ Jul 2 2020, 05:09 PM)
I have a table saw too, as long as you don't run the table saw everyday 9am to 9pm I think your neighbor should be fine with it.
I only use my table saw occasionally as I just a hobby DIY user.
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Table saw pakai sekejap jer, satu project go through 6 pieces of 4x8 on pun x sampai 45 minutes kot. Tapi the sound makes me weary. So i do it at my biggest property, biggest land and with known neighbour tidak ada. No load noise pun sudah like Yamaha SS2 vrooooom!

Second would be the mitre saw, tp itu pakai lagi sekejap and lagi jarang.
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Jul 2 2020, 09:48 PM)
Out of curiosity, does a table saw make much more noise vs a circular saw?
Should be okay.. if on good terms w the neighbour just heads-up them I'mma be making some noise on this date this time so they can go out for food or something
People tend to be less  mad.gif if pre-informed.

IMO grinder noise on concrete can be a problem but wood cutting shouldn't take long for the noisy part.
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More than 100dB SPL when cutting. My cordless circular is less than 100dB when cutting, noise level is more than double. My wired Makita pun not table saw noisy. But i see online some ppl are saying circular=table sound level.

But still, figuratively mcm x banyak, but i can cut using my circular without earplug. I cannot even switch on my table saw without one.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Jul 3 2020, 10:58 AM)
The table saw noise is amplified by the table itself. It cannot be less or equal to circular saw  biggrin.gif

I think for occasional woodwork, circular saw is enough  wink.gif
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My bad, my cordless is 80dB (not 90dB) thus 100+dB vs 80dB, no brainer. the table saw punya noise, but 9dB=4 times noisier anyways. On the table amplifying I dunno, that is something new, cant google that. And, my table saw is universal motor anyways, bukan the big ass induction.

HOWEVER, once ada table saw...once ada table saw aaa, you would hate your circular saw, haha! Susah, inaccurate, troublesome - that coming from me with a cordless saw and kreg accu-cut jig

When i have to cut something my table saw cannot i would find a way to be able to use my table saw, paling cikai la my sliding mitre..kalau xdpt, ada sad sikit in my heart. Thus kena beli panel saw liao, but no place to keep. I pernah gila 4x8 18mm blockboard crosscut on table saw, no in/out feed, lone ranger buat.


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