DCA boleh pakai lah if the holes not bigger than finger size. However the ones in the pic is not much better than RM50 so called impact drill.. use 5 min per hole for one small wood plug hole when rotary hammer 5 sec kautim.
The minimum is to get rotary hammer + drill driver.
Concrete wall is either get rotary hammer (100% confirm will work) or expensive impact drill that has concrete rating. Cheap impact drills (below 400 bucks) will still be insufficient power (like using plastic toy hammer beep beep). Masonry (clay or sand brick) is easy but concrete is whole diff story.

So lets see.
Rotary hammer wired or wireless (if u investing in the batt and charger) technically cost about the same for tool.

WIRED ROTARY HAMMER TOOL- check it comes with the carrying case. Without sometimes cheaper but clunky to store later.

RM225.00 TOTAL
https://shopee.com.my/TOTAL-3-IN-1-26MM-ROT...2182.7617566878

RM326.00 Bosch entry level GBH220 (2.0J)
https://shopee.com.my/BOSCH-Rotary-Hammer-D...6744.5677397703
https://shopee.com.my/BOSCH-GBH-220-PROFESS...6835.4975999503

RM415.00 Bosch standard "heavy duty rated" (2.7J) with case (based on buyer pic)
https://shopee.com.my/Bosch-Rotary-Hammer-G...5153.6111181091

RM397.91 Hitachi
https://shopee.com.my/MAJU-Hikoki-Rotary-Ha...7111.6055850818

CORDLESS ROTARY HAMMER TOOL
GBH180LI - solo tool with hard case RM455.00
(see the tool itself not expensive vs the corded variety - but you need to invest in batt and charger!)
https://shopee.com.my/Bosch-GBH180-LI-Li-Io...0559.7447620575
Need to add on charger and a bigger battery (min 3AH), I got the solo tool + fast charger + 4AH procore for 777 last year. Seems like pricing went up nowadays.

CORDLESS 18V DRILL DRIVER TOOL (ur furniture assembly/screw in screws in wall plug usage).. this is very handy to have
GSB180LI solo tool around 230 bucks. Need to add on 18V batt and charger.
This one any small battery also can (basic 1.5 or 2AH one) + any 18V bosch charger will do.
Its not big power drain device so this one no need big battery. However if you choose cordless rotary (big load device) then the rotary need at least 3AH minimum batt which u can share with this little drill driver.
Why 18V over 12V: theres always enough torque.
P.S. If not planning to use this as a drill for brickwall (other project) but as pure screwdriver only then you can just get the GSR (40 bucks cheaper) compared to GSB (B= can bang i.e. impact function for Brickwall not Concrete wall; R= reversible mode (can loosen screw)).

DRILL BIT GENERAL
Drill bit buy any branded one.. bosch hikoki Makita all sama punya as long as its SDS plus. No name china bit more prone to snapping (high risk).
Depending on the size u need (most common is skinny wood wall plug x6 size one is 5.5mm, x8 size medium wall plug use 6.0mm bits) sometimes buy a set cheaper than 1pc. Some cases the rotary hammer itself include drill bit already

SCREWDRIVER BIT
Rather than buying tons of cheap bits and they keep snapping at the screwdriver head.. just get one long one short impact rated bit (harder tips) lasts well enough for commercial usage.
Personally I use these coz its the cheapest branded impact rated one
Milwaukee SHOCKWAVEâ„¢ Double End Bit / Magnetic Screwdriver Bits / Power Bits 65mm
RM6.50 short bit 65mm
RM11 long bit 110mm
cheaper if you buy 10-pack but for residential usage won't use that many.
If had to choose, long bit give more usage flexibility (unless in places where total length is a problem + tool length)
https://shopee.com.my/Milwaukee-SHOCKWAVEï¿...0959.4346987755



CONCRETE (WALL) MASONRY BITS
RM4.50
Single bit 5.5mm for skinny wall plug (x6 size fatness)
https://shopee.com.my/Makita-D-00044-SDS-Pl...0913.5316996446

RM4.70
Single bit 6.0mm for medium wall plug (x8 size fatness)
https://shopee.com.my/Makita-D-00066-SDS-Pl...0913.5916996849

RM20, this good as got 5.5 and 6.0mm. Rest of the bits is just buy for fun (10mm maybe if u use for M10 tv bracket sleeve anchor je)
https://shopee.com.my/Hikoki-Hitachi-5pcs-S...7433.4347310968

RM5.80 or 5.50 (6,8 mm will do coz really only use the 6 more for wall plug. 8 is buy for fun)
https://shopee.com.my/**HEAVY-DUTY**-SDS-DR...3338.6836747797

SPECIAL APPLICATION (TILE BIT) for BATHROOM
Need to use this. and drill the tile very very slowly (5 min one hole) to avoid botak or snapping the bit. Tile bit is hard, but very brittle. must use normal rotation drill (NO HAMMER)
Tiles need slow scraping like peeling onion, cannot hammer (unless not-my-house syndrome, crack everything not my problem). After u go thru the tile, change back to masonry bit and rotary hammer mode.
RM11.65
https://shopee.com.my/Bosch-6mm-Cyl-Ceramic...1101.3570091067

This post has been edited by ceo684: Jan 25 2021, 04:25 PM

I've seen contractors (usually kitcab folks) use all sorts of big name brands (Bosch, Makita, Hikoki) but I never seen them use DCA as their daily workhorse tool though (in terms of rotary hammer).
I do some residential electric work where time is critical (especially high rise drilling time restriction) so can't go for the cheaper toys, if they overheat middle of the job, I am doomed.

If doing those commercial site for LAN cable pulls/time not critical coz you have all the outside office hours to do, then not so much of a concern on that.
For one-off tools that you don't use often like maybe a cheap jigsaw to divide plywood into 80-100 pcs for makeshift extensions (election project) we did use a 70 dollar jigsaw, no name one, but with bosch blades and even +1 or +2 layer plywood just to really use up all of the remaining sharp blade length possible, it works lah.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Jan 26 2021, 08:44 PM

Wheel bolts u just need a very cheap trick [makeshift extension bar of a 25mm or 30mm dia iron pipe] - loose cut one sells about RM13
with a 1m long pipe to open the wrench even female just take one hand confirm can open airgunnned wheel nut.

the rest of it for cars just usually 10/12mm socket (unless u doing engine overhaul I think any tool will work easily).. small scooter is 12 or 13mm socket for the oil drain

This post has been edited by ceo684: Feb 15 2021, 12:01 PM

Use as screwdriver/Drill wood small bits <5mm should be OK.
The max torque on that (0-25Nm) is just up to the 1st gear level (21Nm) in 18V bosch drill driver.

It should work on non-impact application (screwdriving and wood ONLY) - NOT for drilling any kind of wall.

If use as screwdriver.. get one of these impact bits enough.. they last much longer than the normal bits.
110mm more useful if there is some stuff blocking direct angle to the screw. 65mm if you have tight space limitation for total length.

https://shopee.com.my/Milwaukee-Shockwave-I...9774.4648983994

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Alternatively, if want a cheap and good one, forgo the cordless feature, a corded drill which is more powerful (still can core out 20mm in wood) will last you many years for light duty use is about RM90 only - https://shopee.com.my/MAJU-Hikoki-Electric-...7111.7058115603

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 1 2021, 09:16 PM

Three questions.
1. What wall material? Concrete/RC/AAC block or just normal red clay bricks (exclude concrete beams)?

This is impt as concrete need rotary hammer.
For clay bricks (exclude beams) still can hack it with impact drill.

2. Wall plug size only?

Torque control (screwdriving) is best done with 12V or 18V drill driver.
It also boils down to Q1 whether a drill driver can be used or not for your wall material.

3. if you need rotary hammer

Cordless cannot do with this budget if don't have existing 18V battery and charger system
Rotary hammer, Bosch will be the cheapest or 2nd cheapest
Bosch - Tool only (GBH180LI sans battery and charger) is 350-400 for rotary hammer. Full set with 4AH procore battery and fast charger 777.
Worx - Full set rotary hammer also 719

Corded rotary hammer around 2xx-4xx

If drill driver only then yes whole set under 500 definitely (tool alone about 220)

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 2 2021, 08:41 PM

This makes life easier.

https://shopee.com.my/Bosch-GSB-180-LI-Cord...3852.2681304023

1. 18V Bosch GSB180-LI
Bosch GSB (B for bang=impact) GSB180LI will suit your needs.
Do not get the GSR (R for reversible, NO impact function) = instead

The machine (solo tool only) is about 220-230
About 450 for complete set with briefcase.
About 500 for complete set with the fisherman toolbox and extra drill/screwdriver bits.

I would suggest take the cheaper one and add the milwaukee impact bits is better idea.


2. Makita 18V Cordless Driver Drill 13mm DDF453SFX7
c/w 1Pc 3.0Ah Battery & 1Pc Std. Charger for about 544
(generally costs more vs Bosch)

3. Others can consider are the drill drivers from Worx, Stanley/Dewalt, Hikoki (Hitachi power tools)
18V confirm can handle wall well
12V more towards light duty screwdriver
10.8V class around 12V
3.6V toys for kids.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 2 2021, 09:00 PM

It'll work up to 10mm in bricks (masonry) according to spec sheet.
https://www.bosch-pt.com.my/my/en/products/...0-li-06019F83L0

Have the same myself, just on bigger battery shared with cordless rotary hammer (for concrete), but this works well for 6mm wall plugs in brickwalls.
This has also been abused as a "mini grinder" to polish out socket backbox holes in brickwalls.
Usually for me I use it for tile bits around 6mm, it works well (as tile bit cannot use at >500 rpm).


This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 2 2021, 09:07 PM

Should be plentiful (since its 18V class tool)

How's the performance?

Hi all sifu sekalian
For scope of work to cut a nice looking square manhole in the plaster ceiling ("drywall" or gypsum board), any difference between cordless/corded performance?

Coz other than cutting manhole in plaster ceiling, I may not use the oscillating tool much (have existing 18V bosch batt). Any corded worx/bosch/makita oscillating tool circa 250-300W should be plentiful enough, or it will be a hopeless scenario like using the "impact drill" in RC wall?

Read somewhere that circular saw not a good idea coz it will produce a desert storm of dust.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 16 2021, 09:35 PM

Firstly we need to assess what is the wall made of - whether it is concrete wall (aka RC wall) more common in newer condos, or bricks (clay/sand) more common in landed.
Then only we can say whether a normal drill is adequate, or you should be looking at rotary hammer aka Bosch GBH220.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 23 2021, 02:30 PM

I shall recommend the drop in anchor over the sleeve anchor for reason that the latter is a suicide mission if the skirt fails to expand fully and then it gets stuck inside the wall whilst being useless.
The drop in anchor skirt can be preactivated by tapping a long nail into its center BEFORE fixing the final bolt.

Your bolt length to buy is about halfway point of the drop in anchor.

Might want to use a U hook with four anchor points as /4 the load is divided and from risk management POV four is stronger than just one anchor.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 23 2021, 04:27 PM

What material are you drilling in?
Wood, metal, should be OK.
Bricks also OK.
Concrete jangan. Later 5-10 min per wall plug hole.

If for one or two holes at 5-10min still OK.. drill kitcab rail mounting holes in total already took 13+8 holes.. after 4 holes @ 20-40 min with all the huffing and puffing from the vibration the hand also shaking already - I guess a rotary hammer at 6 sec per hole works better? With much less effort and no fatigue, since a rotary hammer is not that expensive these days (325 for a Bosch). Plus it is less intrusive to the neighbours than a constant roar for 20-40 min

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 24 2021, 08:10 PM

If compare drills from reputable mfg - not china brand, then yes the 12<18<36V power scale does apply.
Drill driver rarely come in 36V size as a 36V battery is rather heavy.
Normally 36V is used for industrial grade rotary hammer like Makita DHR263Z 36V
For the price point I doubt it is that powerful.
Let's see it from a spec POV.

At first the claim is


Then when you read lower the claim is


It is kinda absurd that masonry capacity exceeds the wood capacity unless it is for core bits (cookie cutter type) or they meant cement as in the cement mortar in between bricks.

This taken off the Bosch spec sheets


18V Bosch GSB180LI torque is 21/54Nm
12V Bosch GSB120LI torque is 14/30Nm

this drill spec says


So I would estimate it to be roughly as good as the 12V GSB120LI only.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 25 2021, 01:17 PM

For the machine
BOSCH GBH 220
RM320

Max. drilling diameter in metal: 13mm
Max. drilling diameter in wood: 30mm
Max. drilling diameter concrete: 22mm

Confirmsure will work for any wall

https://shopee.com.my/BOSCH-GBH-220-PROFESS...8871.3009302791

This link by authorised dealer. You can see the dealer list at https://www.bosch-pt.com.my/my/en/dl/dealer...r/dealersearch/

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Other confirmsure will work drills (In case above was a bit expensive):
STANLEY STEL503
RM 233
https://shopee.com.my/STANLEY-STEL503-22mm-...1856.9615211951

DAEWOO DARH-26SRE
RM199
https://shopee.com.my/DAEWOO-850W-4-IN-1-Ro...7400.5462085701

TOTAL TH308268
RM230
https://shopee.com.my/TOTAL-3-IN-1-26MM-ROT...0663.9126552725

For wall/masonry drill bits
You will need SDS+ bits for masonry (cement, concrete, bricks). Normally cheaper to get whole set (dealer dispose from free gift/bundle) than to buy 1pc 1pc. This one better buy something branded coz they last longer and should be safer to use in rotary hammer mode.
Choice of either:
Buy what you need (5.5/6.0mm wall plug size, or other sizes)
https://shopee.com.my/BOSCH-SDS-PLUS-1-CONC...4764.6459378039

Drill bit Sets
https://shopee.com.my/Hikoki-Hitachi-401986...7433.4347310968
https://shopee.com.my/MAKITA-TUNGSTEN-CARBI...5492.4802755223

Both will be a good starter set but I'll tend to go for the Hitachi set because 5.5mm hole for wall plug is quite useful for the thin plugs (#8)
If you use only the #10 wall plugs then they'll work with 6mm hole size.

For wood
You can use your existing wood bits/HSS metal round shank bits via a chuck adaptor:
Chuck Head + Adapter Shank https://shopee.com.my/Makita-SDS-Plus-1.5-1...0720.9907707125

Makita all in one package above easier than Bosch solution below (but the Bosch range got more heads to choose from)

Chuck Head only - need to see the head accept which size adapter shank so can match- https://shopee.com.my/BOSCH-DRILL-CHUCK-WIT...5492.3604658271
+ Adapter Shank only - https://shopee.com.my/BOSCH-1617000132-SDS-...9054.9906732420

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 25 2021, 10:26 PM

It depends on usage pattern. For commercial use or home use actually some EC brushless like the GBH180LI cordless i remember getting it (EC brushless solo) for approx 350 to 360 bucks as sifu ijan recommended so it didn't really cost more than the outgoing brushed model i would say?

In your case since the differential in price 200 bucks..not worth lor.

Between the two
I believe the higher priced tool has a metal chuck, TBH for fixing screws like wall plug size, drilling tile bits, mixing paint, the GSB180 is already more than enough..I usually run at 1-5 lowest setting to avoid overtorquing the screws too deep in the material (kitcab), driving into 1.75/2" wall plug maybe around setting no.5 (highest is 20) on low speed gear. The price diff is almost enough to buy another GSB180 solo unit

If you run this in screwdriver mode most of the time it is plentiful enough. Important to get impact rated screwdriver bit like the milwaukee shockwave 10 bucks per pc, less prone to snapping the screwdriver head off. Comes in shorty 65mm or 110mm length. For fixing shelves 110 easier. For tight spot 65mm minus off the 1in in chuck it makes for a shorter tool but its not very flexible for non head on (as in not aligned 90deg perfect angle) application.

The only time where the plastic chuck (still can buy replacement chuck head) may fail earlier when it is abused as a wannabe grinder (sideways movement polishing of the wall for socket backbox); or if you have hard concrete wall (brickwall is easier to go thru) and abuse this for weeks as an impact drill whereby a rotary hammer will do the job easier.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 30 2021, 12:54 PM

Sikit sikit jadi bukit they said
All the ones below in my collection come with the briefcase looking case, except circular saw and grinder papeŕ box only.
There are some variants coming with fisherman box.

Power Tools
Bosch GBH 2-24 DRE rotary hammer 490
Bosch GBH180Li cordless rotary hammer(solo tool,4AH procore,fast charger) 777
Bosch GKS7000 circular saw 335
Bosch GSB180-Li 229
Bosch GWS060 angle grinder (with grinding discs) 115
Bosch grinding discs 10
SDS Drill bits for rotary hammer 28
SDS 22mm bit 44.8

Depends also if there's a bigger toy for more heavy duty work as well. In its class as a 18V drill driver I would say it works very well (GSB180). Most contractor video also get by with the GSB120 (those china amoi electrician) https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=211347934082616

@blanket84 , torque is 28/50 Nm in the 18V 50 vs 21/54 in brushed GSB180.
Not much diff in actual usage, but you will get metal chuck (which I believe can be replaced) and brushless motor only.
Torque almost similar but the low torque is higher by 30pc in low gear.
If usage more as screwdriver I think GSB180 is plentiful already, use the money for bigger battery if needed.
Coz based on experience driving 2" screw I didn't need to max out the torque even on low gear

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 30 2021, 01:14 PM

It also depends on your strategic planning. If power hungry stuff e.g. lawn mower/cordless grinder/cordless rotary hammer are not in the collection master plan anytime soon, then any 1.5AH also will work fine.
Just for reference - Cordless rotary hammer need min 3AH. Drilling about 20 holes 2" 5.5mm in RC wall already took up 1 bar from 5 bar of the 4AH procore.

If you don't have concrete wall to worry about - Drill driver should be perfectly fine with the 1.5AH or 2AH (lighter battery).
3 and 4AH weight similar but weight is more than the 1.5-2AH sizes.

Per https://www.cnet.com/home/kitchen-and-house...cordless-drill/
It appears that for 1.0AH alone you should be able to do these for sure. The 0.5AH not included as "reserve capacity"

Number of 3-inch screws screws driven into hardwood ("balau" or similar) per amp hour for 18-volt brushed drills. ~ 125x

High torque Number of 1-inch wood spade bit holes bored per amp hour for 18-volt brushed drills. ~ 20x

For my GSB180Li on a 4AH procore (my only battery ) it hardly deplete the battery at all in screwdriving use. Drilling 20-30 wall plug 6mm holes in brickwall should be easily doable on a 1.5/2.0AH.

Would be fun to see a pic of his tools collection if its convenient lah, no worries. Just my curiosity.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Mar 30 2021, 02:11 PM