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post Aug 24 2017, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Aug 24 2017, 09:45 PM)
May I ask, what positive aspect do u see at tanchong?

From what I see from a newbie point of view,
-The chart is on a downtrend
-Their profit has been declining over the past 5 years
-I hardly see new nissan cars on the road
-No new nissan models launching until next year https://www.carlist.my/news/no-new-nissan-m...til-2018/40995/
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all i see is Almera,new x trail and teana
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post Aug 25 2017, 09:09 AM

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Swap LIIHEN for SUNSURIA.
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post Aug 25 2017, 09:15 AM

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aikssss...
Hevea - red
PetronM - red
Johotin - red and suspended...
jusTinMM
post Aug 25 2017, 09:23 AM

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Aax seem like flying.... hmmm
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post Aug 25 2017, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(jusTinMM @ Aug 25 2017, 09:23 AM)
Aax seem like flying.... hmmm
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Fuck no. Not anymore with that con man stock.
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post Aug 25 2017, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(donhay @ Aug 25 2017, 09:15 AM)
aikssss...
Hevea - red
PetronM - red
Johotin - red and suspended...
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good time to enter PetronM ?? below 9
danielcmugen
post Aug 25 2017, 10:01 AM

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Sold dufu. Now closely monitoring inari, masteel and drbhcom. Masteel jumped up this morning. Wonder if it's following annjoo. If that's the case, i may look at lionind as well.
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post Aug 25 2017, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(donhay @ Aug 25 2017, 09:57 AM)
good time to enter PetronM ?? below 9
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Selling vol quite high despite good results, u might want to wait.
SUSlowya
post Aug 25 2017, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(donhay @ Aug 25 2017, 09:15 AM)
aikssss...
Hevea - red
PetronM - red
Johotin - red and suspended...
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all due to portfolio shuffling, investors found better deal elsewhere.
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post Aug 25 2017, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(donhay @ Aug 25 2017, 09:15 AM)
aikssss...
Hevea - red
PetronM - red
Johotin - red and suspended...
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Tak cantik lah my portfolio hari ni.
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post Aug 25 2017, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(jusTinMM @ Aug 25 2017, 09:23 AM)
Aax seem like flying.... hmmm
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 25 2017, 09:27 AM)
Fuck no. Not anymore with that con man stock.
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yes, no thanks, 1 bitten, enough is enough.
contestchris
post Aug 25 2017, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(danielcmugen @ Aug 24 2017, 09:45 PM)
May I ask, what positive aspect do u see at tanchong?

From what I see from a newbie point of view,
-The chart is on a downtrend
-Their profit has been declining over the past 5 years
-I hardly see new nissan cars on the road
-No new nissan models launching until next year https://www.carlist.my/news/no-new-nissan-m...til-2018/40995/
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To me my investment thesis is based on a long-term horizon. I go into a purchase decision based on one of the following idea of returns in mind:

1) 50% in 2 yrs
2) 100% in 3 yrs
3) 200% in 5 yrs (Tan Chong purchased on this assumption, i.e. I expect the stock price to triple within 5 yrs)

I don't care about downtrend charts.

Now, the stock is trading at depressed valuations. It's at 0.39X P/BV. Can it go lower? Sure. Which is why I put one leg in first. I bought at RM1.82 in May 2017.

I ask myself...do I see Tan Chong Motors in existence in 5 yrs time? I say sure. For a company like this to remain in existence in 5 yrs, it's highly illogical to be able to do so while trading at 0.4X P/BV.

No new model launches till 2018? That's one of the reasons I bought in. If they announced a new model launch, I guarantee the price will jump up 5% almost immediately. Every day we get closer to an eventual new model launch announcement.

Other factors that caused me to buy in:

- USD MYR and JPY MYR exchange rate was roughly +33% from 2014 to 2017, but YTD MYR has stabilized and slightly appreciated. MYR's worst days are over. Tan Chong's raw material costs are all denominated in USD and JPY. This hit bottomlines hard, but it won't get any worse, and there's potential upside here.

- Inventories are being drained out. This is the major hidden reason Tan Chong cannot bring in new Nissan models. Last year their inventories were almost hitting RM2bil, but since then sequentially they have been drained down, to now at RM1.3bil. By year end 2017 it should be under RM1bil and will set the stage of new model introduction.

- Indochina is growing double digits YoY for the past 4-5 years. Vietnam and Myanmar offer a really huge base for expansion. I have been tracking their monthly Vietnam sales figures, and it is up over 100% YTD.

- Favorable macro conditions. In addition to the MYR depreciation and inventory build-up due to ill timed production expansion in 2014, the country GDP growth was on a declining trend since 2014. However we have now had 2 quarters of above expectation GDP growth. At the moment consumer sentiment is still shaky, but it will eventually come back. When? Who knows, but come back it will.

Anyway this is too long a write-up now. Just thought I can share some of my thinking process. Of course not all my investment ideas are premised on these investment thesis. I buy growth stocks (Hevea), turnaround with positive near-term catalysts (Armada), short term underappreciated stocks (AirAsia), and beaten down cyclicals that I believe will eventually double/triple within 3-5 years (Tan Chong, MMHE).
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post Aug 25 2017, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Aug 25 2017, 11:56 PM)
To me my investment thesis is based on a long-term horizon. I go into a purchase decision based on one of the following idea of returns in mind:

1) 50% in 2 yrs
2) 100% in 3 yrs
3) 200% in 5 yrs (Tan Chong purchased on this assumption, i.e. I expect the stock price to triple within 5 yrs)

I don't care about downtrend charts.

Now, the stock is trading at depressed valuations. It's at 0.39X P/BV. Can it go lower? Sure. Which is why I put one leg in first. I bought at RM1.82 in May 2017.

I ask myself...do I see Tan Chong Motors in existence in 5 yrs time? I say sure. For a company like this to remain in existence in 5 yrs, it's highly illogical to be able to do so while trading at 0.4X P/BV.

No new model launches till 2018? That's one of the reasons I bought in. If they announced a new model launch, I guarantee the price will jump up 5% almost immediately. Every day we get closer to an eventual new model launch announcement.

Other factors that caused me to buy in:

- USD MYR and JPY MYR exchange rate was roughly +33% from 2014 to 2017, but YTD MYR has stabilized and slightly appreciated. MYR's worst days are over. Tan Chong's raw material costs are all denominated in USD and JPY. This hit bottomlines hard, but it won't get any worse, and there's potential upside here.

- Inventories are being drained out. This is the major hidden reason Tan Chong cannot bring in new Nissan models. Last year their inventories were almost hitting RM2bil, but since then sequentially they have been drained down, to now at RM1.3bil. By year end 2017 it should be under RM1bil and will set the stage of new model introduction.

- Indochina is growing double digits YoY for the past 4-5 years. Vietnam and Myanmar offer a really huge base for expansion. I have been tracking their monthly Vietnam sales figures, and it is up over 100% YTD.

- Favorable macro conditions. In addition to the MYR depreciation and inventory build-up due to ill timed production expansion in 2014, the country GDP growth was on a declining trend since 2014. However we have now had 2 quarters of above expectation GDP growth. At the moment consumer sentiment is still shaky, but it will eventually come back. When? Who knows, but come back it will.

Anyway this is too long a write-up now. Just thought I can share some of my thinking process. Of course not all my investment ideas are premised on these investment thesis. I buy growth stocks (Hevea), turnaround with positive near-term catalysts (Armada), short term underappreciated stocks (AirAsia), and beaten down cyclicals that I believe will eventually double/triple within 3-5 years (Tan Chong, MMHE).
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Nice write up.. i like your thought process smile.gif
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post Aug 25 2017, 11:20 PM

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Sifus sekalian, newbie here looking to start investing. How much is a decent sum to start buying stocks? Any recommendation of stocks to buy for mid term returns (2-3 years)?
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post Aug 25 2017, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Aug 25 2017, 11:20 PM)
Sifus sekalian, newbie here looking to start investing. How much is a decent sum to start buying stocks? Any recommendation of stocks to buy for mid term returns (2-3 years)?
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by calculations for fees and everything the lowest is 3k but I have done 2k before. it's all in how much you can afford it. the best is 8k for all the fees you pay.

also stock recommendations you need to do your homework. no spoonfeeding as it is your money.

you can go for stable but boring TENAGA
HEVEABOARD is one growth company
and many more. just keep reading and reading
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post Aug 26 2017, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Aug 25 2017, 11:15 PM)
Nice write up.. i like your thought process smile.gif
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why not, if you like downtrend stocks, negative eps, declining margin, loss making company, and the thoughts of analysts who always want to be right.

Otherwise, stick to good fundamental company with growth and buying volumes.
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post Aug 26 2017, 10:58 PM

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This is my portfolio and also my definition of the stocks in my portfolio
Safe/stable
REIT such as KLCCP,YTL REIT,IGBREIT,CMMT,Pavilion REIT,Sunway REIT
Bluechip/large cap such as YTL,CIMB,Astro,DiGi,

Growth/short term
Rev Asia,Sapura Energy,Ecoworld,i-Bhd,Airasia,Malakoff,Edgenta,Bermaz,BDB

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post Aug 27 2017, 12:17 PM

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I've been monitoring Johotin for 2 weeks, it seems to be on a dropping trend last week.

Good to buy? It will be my first share so i'm thinking many times biggrin.gif
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post Aug 27 2017, 12:56 PM

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Thong Guan..anyone interest?
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post Aug 27 2017, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(silverwave @ Aug 27 2017, 12:17 PM)
I've been monitoring Johotin for 2 weeks, it seems to be on a dropping trend last week.

Good to buy? It will be my first share so i'm thinking many times biggrin.gif
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You need a steady heart for Johotin now. I have seen my profit of +20% plus drift downwards to -1.17% now in a few months. Some investors also don't like the latest QR results and it is now trending downward.

QUOTE(wayne84 @ Aug 27 2017, 12:56 PM)
Thong Guan..anyone interest?
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I sold Thong Guan a few months ago. Good fundamental stock but the price is lagging behind compared to its industry peers. Even the management is fed up and is considering listing in the HK market.


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