Planted Aquarium, Back to the Natural
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 Feb 27 2009, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(pinchboyz @ Feb 27 2009, 08:32 AM) haha, algae outbreak? algae attack good reason to rescape tank... now my 3ft start with algae attack liao.... i can see bba start growing on old glosso leaves.... is time now to rescape... wuahahaha, i like it...   |
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Feb 27 2009, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE(zoejehuty @ Feb 27 2009, 04:57 PM) catacombs, u there got hairgrass also ar? where u get it? i wan some of it also... local hairgrass only la... i dun think its japanese hairgrass... got from LFS near da medical college... alwiz forget what dat fish shop called... free bring u there la... there got 3 big arapaima... Added on February 28, 2009, 10:34 pmmy low tech pico tank seems to be too healthy than i expected... my betta has no place to swim adi....  same thing couldnt be said to my main tank... algae attack...   This post has been edited by the_catacombs: Feb 28 2009, 10:34 PM |
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Mar 1 2009, 03:38 AM
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QUOTE(nezumitaro @ Mar 1 2009, 12:39 AM) i got abit of spiky moss. anyone interested? nezu, how to control my algae outbreak??... i tried pumping in more co2, reduced lighting period, adding in SAE... all no hope... |
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Mar 1 2009, 06:04 AM
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QUOTE(usermode @ Mar 1 2009, 04:16 AM) i cant ID algae good with just pic but tat looks like brown algae. how long the tank been setted up? if it;s a new tank, it;s normal. brown algae is a diatom. ottos and yamato will be happy to help u clear em. thanks for ur reply...brown algae also shows that u have lack of lights if the tank is not new. lack of lights = brown algae. too much lights = green algae/GSA. reducing ur light is a bad move IMO if it;s brown algae. instead, u might need more light power (not necessarily longer). IME, every aquarist will have their fair chance fighting with algae. bear in mind combatting algae isnt a war that can be won in a day or 2. it might takes few days up to weeks to win. suck up as much as you can during WC, control your lighting,co2 and ferts schedule, and let ur algae crew clean the area that you cant reach. it;s just a matter of time they'll get clear. btw, brown algae for a new tank, normally will take less than a week to be cleared with help of ottos and yamatos. if u cant win within that time, then u need to take more drastic action.  those suggestion is based on what i think i saw. as i siad, im not good ID algae with pic but if it;s brown algae (looks like it), u may try the above solution. at least it works for me. currently i have 24w lighting for my 6.6 gallon tank... not sure if dat's sufficient or not... perhaps i should bump it up to 32w... i did added amano shrimps but they committed suicide... an hour ago i jz noticed my SAE also jumped out from the tank...  my otos are hardworking folks though... both of them seems huge, fat and well fed... lolz... perhaps i should get some more otos to combat these algae... my previous amano shrimps suicide case could be due to overdose of fertilizers... silly mistake...  |
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Mar 1 2009, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(playerseeker @ Mar 1 2009, 07:20 PM) can otos mix with shrimps?? yesQUOTE(playerseeker @ Mar 1 2009, 07:46 PM) i bought 18 bucks only at jalan pasar there..... around 4 to 5 will be good enough.... where do u get ur cherry shrimps??... i plans to get some as well after i've done fighting with my algae issue...400L/H one...HOB filter....tmr will go buy bacterball to put inside it....but i think i need to cut out some sponge to make room for 2 bacterballs....hmm.... i have 13 cheery shrimps with me...seems like.....not enough...cant see them totally in my 18" x 8" x 8" tank.... hey guys...how many otos are sufficient for my tank?? 1 enough??? QUOTE(pinchboyz @ Mar 1 2009, 08:04 PM) then the new one u bought RM100+ also HOB? should be a very big n high tech HOB... how big is the filter? <5 should be ok (otto)  |
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Mar 2 2009, 12:24 AM
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QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Mar 1 2009, 10:23 PM) Wow, didn't know Lowyatt has their own network of planted tank enthusiast.. I see some familiars here sifoo sifoo are invited to come in here n kapsiao...  Yujin, didn't post in MAC?  p/s i think here can kapsiao right? Cheers, Drew  QUOTE(playerseeker @ Mar 1 2009, 10:38 PM) i got my cherry shrimps at mainland LFS (chai leng park to be more exact, the one beside 7-11)...rm1.5 per shrimp..... rm1.50 is still ok... here in melaka selling for rm2 each... vr limited number of shrimps as well... crystal red shrimp totally none....tmr wan to go see they got sell oto or not..lol still looking for rm1 each cherry red shrimp and amano shrimp... preferably get from breeders...  previously i was offered rm8 each for crystal red shrimp... but dat time no budget... now prefer to get more otos and amanos to combat my algae problem... |
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Mar 2 2009, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(tenchi0205 @ Mar 2 2009, 09:26 AM)  Is this algae invasion? QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 2 2009, 12:51 PM) guys, can i ask some silly question please? 1) otocinclus / otos... is a type of dwarf catfish which mainly feeds on algae....1.) what is otos? 2.) what does cherry shrimps do in the tank? to beautify the tank or helps in terms of plant growing or? 3.) my tank is relatively small, only 30cm x 20cm x 13cm, with about 10 guppies in it now and a plant, can i add shrimps into it if i want? thanks!  http://www.otocinclus.com/ 2) they are great cleaning crew... cleaning up uneaten fish food sank to the bottom... this controls the ammonia level in da water... 3) yeap... guppies dont seem to be a threat for shrimps.... as long as the fish u have is non-aggressive type and its mouth couldnt fit a shrimp inside, its ok i guess.... |
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Mar 3 2009, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Mar 3 2009, 04:49 PM) Okay.. throwing a yamato to me is something new.. I prefer if you threw a CRS to me though  Drew QUOTE(pinchboyz @ Mar 3 2009, 04:55 PM) still not satisfied with ur crs? can throw to me too if u guys willing too... |
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Mar 3 2009, 09:54 PM
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1 month old tank suitable to put in shrimps or not??... i plan to order about 10 or more cherry shrimps from LFS and try breeding them...
shrimps tank doesnt need fertilization rite??... |
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Mar 3 2009, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Mar 3 2009, 10:03 PM) @catacombs 1 month definitely stable enough to put shrimps in, especially cherries. those guys are tough! And no, you do not need fertilization for shrimps.. thanks for the info... but now my tank struggling wif brown algae (i think)... most of my glosso are dead... Drew mayb i try wif cherry shrimps first... if everything seems ok, i try get some crystal red shrimps from KL.... btw, different type of shrimps can mix together??... i plan to have cherries, crs and amanos....  |
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Mar 4 2009, 01:31 AM
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QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Mar 3 2009, 11:19 PM) yes. And No. now i have a crew of 4 otos... algae level decreased a little only.... hopefully it will start disappearing by this week....If you want to breed those $$ CRS to hundreds and hundreds of em Like what pinchboyz is doing, then Having CRS only is advisable. If it's just for the fun of it, and small side breeding as you go, It's all fine. Cherries, Amanos and CRS are different genera altogether.. =D Amanos may be a little fierce on weak or young CRS and RCS though.. Even worst I saw My amano Attacking one of my dizzy fishes.. ferocious eh? Against Algae too =D About your brown Algae, 6++ Otto's would do the job real good. Drew most probably i plan to breed for fun only... not 100+ of them... if this time experimental works out well, might create another tank mainly for breeding... hehehe.... if my otos are working well and sufficient enough, i dont think will add amanos as they grow pretty huge... once i had 1 almost 3 times the size of my cherry shrimp... |
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Mar 4 2009, 03:08 PM
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yala quick post more pics lar..
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Mar 4 2009, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Mar 4 2009, 05:48 PM) Nah Here la! toilet as ur shrimp breedng ground... I won't apologize for Bad Picture... =D Will take HQ pictures when I feel like whipping out the DSLR.. This is taken with 3.2megapix camera...  :::INFO::: Currently holding. 3x 3ft Shrimp tanks. 1 run by HOb filters and 2 more run by connected SUMp filter. these tanks hold CRS and Snowball shrimps(to the left) 2x2ft Scape tanks As seen in pictures.. got 2.. one in progress and one more maturing.. 2x2ft holding tanks. - one is c02 supplied one is not.. They are for any plants/fishes I want to keep but not in the scape tanks.. Cooling :: 1 Panasonic Inverter 1hp aircond - for all the tanks. maintained at 25Celcius.Filtration:: Ranging from Dolphin HOB's , to tetra EX 90, to EHEIm professional. Soils:: Mostly used here are ADA Amazonia II.. Only one of the holding tanks is Using SeaChem Black Sand. Fertz: A lot la... Chemicals: Main anti chlorine is Nutrafin . What else you want to know.. Drew QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Mar 4 2009, 06:39 PM) Electricity is a difference of adding rm 200 into whatever I already am consuming for electric lol. very true.... maintaining ambient temperature better than using many chiller for so many tanks....The aircond in there is the most worth it equipment I have spent on. Rather than buying many many fans or many many chillers, one 1hp aircond for all 7 tanks .. And Even I get comfort when working on the tanks Total amount spent?? If I count arr.. Cannot sleeep lorr.. so don't ask me.. Drew Added on March 4, 2009, 8:32 pm QUOTE(SengCheong @ Mar 4 2009, 06:07 PM) I am newbie here, who can teach me about planted aqurium what is ur budget and whats the aquarium size u planning to use/buy??...and the tools and accessories of it thanks for help (correct me if i am wrong ) This post has been edited by the_catacombs: Mar 4 2009, 08:32 PM |
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Mar 4 2009, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Mar 4 2009, 08:58 PM) Out of topic.. yeap yeap... the most direct advantage i see from it is very very easy water change... jz pump out the water and let it flow into the jamban.... Catacombs, where's your lcoation. May want PA system ahhaha! And I really have to do something about this room soon enough.. It still looks like a toilet.. BUT IMPROVISED!!! I look at efficiency and practicality rather than Looks.. When people ask, why a toilet. 1: It's a small room therefore a/c doesn't have to run fast. 2: Water change made easy.. VERY VERY EASY! no more back ache 3: Have you ever seen an aquarist fell asleep in there? AHAHHA Drew PA system thing, ugpm...  QUOTE(junshern222 @ Mar 4 2009, 09:18 PM) edit:other than some ordinary plants,fishes,sands,decorations,what else more i should get for myself? what i learn from venturing into planted tanks is, go step by step and not to hurry....do i need something like anti-chlorine?or any supplements? hows the lightning should be? what to do to avoid algea? is it necessary to do the co2 supplier? thanks first step... get a suitable size aquarium... basic thumb rule, the bigger the better... coz water parameter will more stable... disadvantage, cost for everything will be multiplied... next get a suitable water filter for the size of ur tank... normally tanks below 1.5ft recommended to use HOB filter... 2ft above need canister filter.... external sump also can be used but less popular.... canister filter or external sump is good because it allows beneficial bacteria population... substrate... there are many to choose from.... me basically prefer ADA amazonia II... due to limited budget, i had holland sand at the bottom as replacement to ADA powersand.... other macro nutrient also needed, but this very much depends on ur budget and what kinda aquascaping level u looking for.... (low tech or high tech) lights... honestly i forgot the "watts per gallon" rule... lolz... but what i'm having for my 6.6gallon tank is 24w of lighting, which does not seem enough for hard-to-grow plants such as glosso... make sure lighting period daily is around 6-8 hours... more lighting period will cause algae bloom... co2 supply is recommended if u want ur plants to grow well... u can do without them, but lighting wattage need to reduce abit, fertilization reduced, water change more often, etc... basically u slowing down the plants growth.... fauna/plants... which to choose and where to place them... what i can say is, google for more planted tank photos and get an idea on how u wants ur tank to be... of coz different plants has different requirement, do search around for their information (here is a good source: http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/myplants/ ) try not to add any fish during ur initial setup... let it run for at least 1 week... slowly start introducing algae eaters (otocinclus, sae, etc.) to combat initial algae bloom... after a week or so only decide what fish to add in.... in aquascaping, the main character is plants and the scape, not the fish... fish are jz additions... without them will still be fine.... |
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Mar 5 2009, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE(junshern222 @ Mar 4 2009, 11:28 PM) also,is that possible to go without filters? yes u can run ur tank filterless.... only if u willing to do water change twice a week...since my aquarium is pretty small(17 x 17 x 32)cm i tried dat in my pico tank housing only my betta... no filter, no co2, no fert... only holland sand as substrate... grows slowly but appears healthy... in the end it grew too large for my pico tank, i moved it to my main nano tank... |
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Mar 5 2009, 01:22 AM
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QUOTE(junshern222 @ Mar 5 2009, 12:36 AM) Added on March 5, 2009, 12:39 am fortunately,there is still something to pull me back into this hobby! i will try bigger tanks once i have sufficient cash. |
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Mar 5 2009, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(tenchi0205 @ Mar 5 2009, 11:17 AM)  so no chance liao lo |
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Mar 5 2009, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(tenchi0205 @ Mar 5 2009, 12:01 PM) nope...i am Malaysian...he said only 5 ppl see the 'toilet' ma...so i said dun knw i got the chance or not to see this legendary 'toilet' sure got chance geh |
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Mar 5 2009, 05:39 PM
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today hand itchy bought 6 ekor of cherry red shrimps... dunno my tank ready for them or not...
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Mar 5 2009, 08:00 PM
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QUOTE(SengCheong @ Mar 5 2009, 07:26 PM) my aqurium size is (17x17x32) and my burget quite low that is about rm10 . rm10 does not even enough for u to buy water filter.... Reply will be appreciated |
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