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TSnaTTan
post May 23 2017, 12:38 AM, updated 9y ago

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Hey guys just install my UNIFI at my new house, sadly the range of the default router is sad.

Is it better to get a new router all together of a wifi signal extender ?

Any pro and cons and device suggestion?
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post May 23 2017, 12:43 AM

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change a new wireless router or add a new wireless ap also can
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QUOTE(naTTan @ May 23 2017, 12:38 AM)
Hey guys just install my UNIFI at my new house, sadly the range of the default router is sad.

Is it better to get a new router all together of a wifi signal extender ?

Any pro and cons and device suggestion?
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What router supply by UniFi to you? Usually the router TM supply now like the TP-Link C1200 are quite good to begin with.

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post May 23 2017, 08:05 PM

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For multi floor house, definitely need an AP. Even expensive router also cannot cover whole multi floor haha
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post May 23 2017, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(firdausbhari @ May 23 2017, 08:05 PM)
For multi floor house, definitely need an AP. Even expensive router also cannot cover whole multi floor haha
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any recommendation
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post May 24 2017, 12:00 AM

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ASUS AC68U or Netgear R7000
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post May 24 2017, 12:08 AM

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post May 24 2017, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(naTTan @ May 23 2017, 11:51 PM)
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Any powerline or wired AP would do. Just avoid wireless repeater/extender. Dont waste money and time on those thing hahaha
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post May 24 2017, 08:26 AM

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FYI, wireless AC have bad range. At best the signal can go thru one brick wall. Reinforced concrete will cut it down. So get access point in each area u need the Best AC signal.

Mostly don't need. I use a tp c7. Default TM unifi 100mbps router. Good enough 2.4ghz, signal.
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post May 24 2017, 09:04 AM

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My 2cents take on this, for 2 story house use case for those who hate pull cable to add new AP

Asus ac55uhp (Around RM499) + tplink powerline with ac1200 dualband (around rm450) = full house coverage suitable for max unifi 50mbps. All devices at different floor can connect to new SSID either 2.4ghz or 5ghz and get almost full capable speed.

This setup isnt that ideal for 100mbps unifi due to limited uplink at powerline linkspeed and house electrical connection.


If go for 1 powerful router like Asus AC86u, bottom floor still needs AP or repeater to efficiently cover blindspots

If go for default unifi AC router, need to pull cable to install another AP

If go for default unifi AC router then add repeater at different floor, network linkspeed will cut to half unless go for those expensive repeater (costs about rm600-800) that bridges on different band and repeat on different band. Result still vary
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QUOTE(pluginbaby @ May 24 2017, 09:04 AM)
My 2cents take on this, for 2 story house use case for those who hate pull cable to add new AP

Asus ac55uhp (Around RM499) + tplink powerline with ac1200 dualband (around rm450) = full house coverage suitable for max unifi 50mbps. All devices at different floor can connect to new SSID either 2.4ghz or 5ghz and get almost full capable speed.

This setup isnt that  ideal for 100mbps unifi due to limited uplink at powerline linkspeed and house electrical connection.
If go for 1 powerful router like Asus AC86u, bottom floor still needs AP or repeater to efficiently cover blindspots

If go for default unifi AC router, need to pull cable to install another AP

If go for default unifi AC router then add repeater at different floor, network linkspeed will cut to half unless go for those expensive repeater (costs about rm600-800) that bridges on different band and repeat on different band. Result still vary
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May i know whats your recommendation for 100mbps unifi bro?
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QUOTE(zuhaili87 @ May 24 2017, 12:18 PM)
May i know whats your recommendation for 100mbps unifi bro?
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Pull cable then use AP with wifi AC capability would be the best choice for 100mbps for stability and quality to ensure all clients on different floor can max out

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post May 25 2017, 02:08 AM

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Actually for a multi floor house, something new might be simpler if you have coaxial cabling throughout. Definitely better than using extenders that create interference from hidden nodes. The layout is: your router's antenna port -> WiFi splitter -> all the cabling runs to different cable outlets in your house -> WiFi antenna on those cable outlets. Sounds cool in theory. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/157763...wi-fi-over-coax
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post May 28 2017, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(occam @ May 25 2017, 02:08 AM)
Actually for a multi floor house, something new might be simpler if you have coaxial cabling throughout. Definitely better than using extenders that create interference from hidden nodes. The layout is: your router's antenna port -> WiFi splitter -> all the cabling runs to different cable outlets in your house -> WiFi antenna on those cable outlets. Sounds cool in theory. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/157763...wi-fi-over-coax
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This tech is not available in Malaysia.
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post Apr 13 2018, 04:48 PM

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No Internet in my home yet. Tiny place.

Maxis Home Fibre coming in next Tuesday, getting the 30mbps. Any thoughts on whether I would require a wifi extender in this small space?

3R + 2B = 807sqft

Thanks.
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post Apr 13 2018, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(davidnigel @ Apr 13 2018, 04:48 PM)
No Internet in my home yet. Tiny place.

Maxis Home Fibre coming in next Tuesday, getting the 30mbps. Any thoughts on whether I would require a wifi extender in this small space?

3R + 2B = 807sqft

Thanks.
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No. The router will be more than sufficient to cover your whole area. However, the default Maxis router is crap. Changing it to your own third party router is difficult though and you only have one D-Link model you can use if you are intending to use Maxis VoIP.
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post Apr 13 2018, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(SilentVampire @ Apr 13 2018, 04:54 PM)
No. The router will be more than sufficient to cover your whole area. However, the default Maxis router is crap. Changing it to your own third party router is difficult though and you only have one D-Link model you can use if you are intending to use Maxis VoIP.
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Able to point out which one if that would be the case?
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QUOTE(davidnigel @ Apr 13 2018, 04:56 PM)
Able to point out which one if that would be the case?
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It would be this model: https://www.lazada.com.my/products/d-link-a...148cRq96kQ&mp=1
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post Apr 13 2018, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(naTTan @ May 23 2017, 01:38 AM)
Hey guys just install my UNIFI at my new house, sadly the range of the default router is sad.

Is it better to get a new router all together of a wifi signal extender ?

Any pro and cons and device suggestion?
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Do you have LAN cables? If you don't, I can recommend you another setup too. I have received a lot of good comments from my "lab mouse" and my customers. Definitely suits you veli well.
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QUOTE(davidnigel @ Apr 13 2018, 05:48 PM)
No Internet in my home yet. Tiny place.

Maxis Home Fibre coming in next Tuesday, getting the 30mbps. Any thoughts on whether I would require a wifi extender in this small space?

3R + 2B = 807sqft

Thanks.
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Single or double story?
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post May 27 2018, 12:24 AM

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My room and the main router unifi is about 6-8m apart on same floor, and hardly any wifi coverage in the room. Would a wifi extender help in this situation? If it is what model you guys can recommend. Not too expensive if can.
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post May 29 2018, 12:06 AM

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For my Unifi 100Mbps setup for 3 storey house

Main router (TPLink AC1200) at 1st floor (2.4GHz & 5GHz)
2nd router (TPLink Archer C5) at ground floor act as wireless repeater - WDS (5Ghz)
Aztech HL129EP Smartlink (support 3phase wiring) AV1200 powerline for my CCTV/Alarm

I use WDS 5GHz at ground floor so I can get 100Mbps wifi throughout ground & 1st floor - No router at 2nd floor as 2.4GHz signal get it covered.







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I m staying in 3 storey Landed house, my Unifi router TPLink AC1200 terminated at second floor.
Hence, I have no issue on Wifi Connection to Smart TV for streaming at ground floor and surfing at third floor. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Ckmwpy0370 @ May 29 2018, 04:44 PM)
I m staying in 3 storey Landed house, my Unifi router TPLink AC1200 terminated at second floor.
Hence, I have no issue on Wifi Connection to Smart TV for streaming at ground floor and surfing at third floor. smile.gif
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Same here, 3 storey house, no issue on wifi.
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QUOTE(biggie @ May 29 2018, 05:57 PM)
Same here, 3 storey house, no issue on wifi.
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post Jun 24 2018, 03:30 PM

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Hi there.

I am staying in a condo about 950 sqft

And I found my bedroom is lacking in strong WiFi connectivity

I am on the look out for WiFi extender and stumbled upon this on shopee

TP-Link TL-WA855RE
Any advise if this is good? My unifi is 30mbps


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post Jun 24 2018, 11:53 PM

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3 storey.

Unifi connected via Asus AC68U on 1st floor.

TpLink C1200 ground floor as an AP

Apple AirPort Extreme 3rd floor which is in my room. Here where i place my synology NAS and also usb hdd plugged to AirPort Extreme for Time Machine.

Everything connected via Cat6 since 2014 and running 120% stable
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Invest in Mikrotik u won't regret :-)


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Invest in Mikrotik u won't regret :-)
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This new Microtik router the new bad boy in the market? Been hearing a lot of positive reviews about it.
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QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Jun 24 2018, 03:30 PM)
Hi there.

I am staying in a condo about 950 sqft

And I found my bedroom is lacking in strong WiFi connectivity

I am on the look out for WiFi extender and stumbled upon this on shopee

TP-Link TL-WA855RE
Any advise if this is good? My unifi is 30mbps
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Change your router rather than getting an extender, would recommend the Asus RT-AC1300UHP..
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post Jun 25 2018, 08:44 AM

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Get ASUS Lyra or AiMesh router.
1 SSID, easy to manage and easy to configure.
I'm very sure it can cover every corner of you house.
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QUOTE(pl95077 @ Jun 25 2018, 08:44 AM)
Get ASUS Lyra or AiMesh router.
1 SSID, easy to manage and easy to configure.
I'm very sure it can cover every corner of you house.
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That is really an awesome router but comes at a premium price.
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QUOTE(SilentVampire @ Jun 25 2018, 07:36 AM)
Change your router rather than getting an extender, would recommend the Asus RT-AC1300UHP..
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The price is insane man. Rm 600 for one.

My bedroom not to say cannot get but a bit slow and 2 bars only.

I hope the rm 70 extender will help me in some way
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QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Jun 25 2018, 10:05 AM)
The price is insane man. Rm 600 for one.

My bedroom not to say cannot get but a bit slow and 2 bars only.

I hope the rm 70 extender will help me in some way
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An extender will just halve the thoroughput, so good luck if you are gaming. A good router is a good investment long-term as you are using your Internet connection daily,, and most of us here are using something similar or better than that. This is the cheapest I could find on Lazada: https://www.lazada.com.my/products/asus-rt-...9mhL4i&search=1

Anyway, up to you, and I hope that the extender does help solve your problem.

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QUOTE(SilentVampire @ Jun 25 2018, 10:12 AM)
An extender will just halve the thoroughout, so good luck if you are gaming. A good router is a good investment long-term as you are using your Internet connection daily,, and most of us here are using something similar or better than that. This is the cheapest I could find on Lazada: https://www.lazada.com.my/products/asus-rt-...9mhL4i&search=1

Anyway, up to you, and I hope that the extender does help solve your problem.
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What do you mean half the throughout?? Meaning the speed will not be good?? As in half the speed??
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QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Jun 25 2018, 10:14 AM)
What do you mean half the throughout?? Meaning the speed will not be good?? As in half the speed??
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Speed will suffer a little, but ping times and latency will be higher, compared to when you connect directly through the router.
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QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Jun 25 2018, 10:14 AM)
What do you mean half the throughout?? Meaning the speed will not be good?? As in half the speed??
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I think he mean "throughput".

Generally, using repeater will get you slower response since data will need to go thru 1 more device.
So ping will be higher, not good for online game.
Normal internet browsing and video streaming/download shouldn't affect much by this.

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post Jun 25 2018, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Jun 25 2018, 10:14 AM)
What do you mean half the throughout?? Meaning the speed will not be good?? As in half the speed??
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Instead of range extender, why not use power line Ethernet like this for example:

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/tp-link-...5&utm_campaign=[SSA-020000000000-00000-00000-0]:%20Top%20Computers%20and%20Laptops&utm_term=[SSA-020700000000-00000-00000-0]:%20Top%20Network%20Components_xxmo0000000at0207_c_aud-315154827062:pla-451446129733&adjust_tracker=t2v78t_5n20iw&adjust_campaign=1415046120&adjust_adgroup=55351296413_c_aud-315154827062:pla-451446129733&adjust_creative=451446129733_207251_118086785&tracker_limit=1000000&ef_id=WzBT4QAABf-Rk6Qq:20180625023057:s

Now you get the Ethernet direct from Ethernet port at router which is faster than WiFi theoretically. Note that WiFi is not full duplex like LAN. It is only half-duplex
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im on Unifi 100 Mbps. Been Using Asus RT-AC55UHP placed in my study room at first floor of my double story house. Signal is good on both 1st and ground floor. I have my android minix u9 media play and chromecast 5ghz in living room downstairs. Streaming is good without buffering.

Initially i had TP link AV500 Nano powerline adapter which extends the LAN to ground floor through the powerline. I used this with intention to use LAN for my minix android box to have max speed. But the streaming is not really good. I cant stream unifi tv and Kodi contents smoothly. One fine day, decided to test over wifi (5GHZ) and im surprised with the results. So now both my chromecast and android box streaming via 5ghz wifi connection flawlessly. Asus RT-AC55UHP is a good investment which works beyond expectation. You may consider it.
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QUOTE(jmas @ Jun 25 2018, 10:24 AM)
I think he mean "throughput".

Generally, using repeater will get you slower response since data will need to go thru 1 more device.
So ping will be higher, not good for online game.
Normal internet browsing and video streaming/download shouldn't affect much by this.
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Oh I see. I understand now. Thank you
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QUOTE(pl95077 @ Jun 25 2018, 08:44 AM)
Get ASUS Lyra or AiMesh router.
1 SSID, easy to manage and easy to configure.
I'm very sure it can cover every corner of you house.
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The problem with mesh that is using wireless as backbone. How to expect maximum throughput if the connection to other unit is lower due to weak signal? No, it cannot. The only way is to connect using cable. The problem with Lyra connected through Ethernet cable is that if there is power supply interruption, the units cannot re-sync themselves because sync can only work through wireless. You need to unplug cable, let it sync and then re-plug cable doh.gif . A bit flaw there laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Zot @ Jun 25 2018, 10:33 AM)
Instead of range extender, why not use power line Ethernet like this for example:

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/tp-link-...5&utm_campaign=[SSA-020000000000-00000-00000-0]:%20Top%20Computers%20and%20Laptops&utm_term=[SSA-020700000000-00000-00000-0]:%20Top%20Network%20Components_xxmo0000000at0207_c_aud-315154827062:pla-451446129733&adjust_tracker=t2v78t_5n20iw&adjust_campaign=1415046120&adjust_adgroup=55351296413_c_aud-315154827062:pla-451446129733&adjust_creative=451446129733_207251_118086785&tracker_limit=1000000&ef_id=WzBT4QAABf-Rk6Qq:20180625023057:s

Now you get the Ethernet direct from Ethernet port at router which is faster than WiFi theoretically. Note that WiFi is not full duplex like LAN. It is only half-duplex
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But if need to use a cable that is long enough to connect to my room I think need at least 15m and it will be messy wiring on the floor. Unless I engage an electrician to do it for me and it will be another additional cost.
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QUOTE(SilentVampire @ Jun 25 2018, 10:19 AM)
Speed will suffer a little, but ping times and latency will be higher, compared to when you connect directly through the router.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Jun 25 2018, 10:53 AM)
The problem with mesh that is using wireless as backbone. How to expect maximum throughput if the connection to other unit is lower due to weak signal? No, it cannot. The only way is to connect using cable. The problem with Lyra connected through Ethernet cable is that if there is power supply interruption, the units cannot re-sync themselves because sync can only work through wireless. You need to unplug cable, let it sync and then re-plug cable  doh.gif . A bit flaw there  laugh.gif
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i didnt know Lyra a bit cacat there haha
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QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Jun 25 2018, 10:54 AM)
But if need to use a cable that is long enough to connect to my room I think need at least 15m and it will be messy wiring on the floor. Unless I engage an electrician to do it for me and it will be another additional cost.
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Why need long cable?

The concept is like this. You pulg the PowerLine Adapter to 3-pin socket near your Wi-Fi router. Then connect LAN cable from router to the PowerLine adapter. In your bedroom, You connect the PowerLine adapter pair and then sync it with the adapter at the router. The Internet is using your AC power line for transmission. Then you can connect your LAN cable to the adapter in your room.

Say you don't want cable to PC or laptop. You can use an adapter with built in router. Something like this.

https://www.tp-link.com/my/products/details...PA8630-KIT.html

It can also be PowerLine extender, but using LAN to extend from router instead of extending from WiFi side which will affect latency/speed. You can also use spare WiFi router in bedroom if you have any to combine with your regular PowerLine adapter
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QUOTE(firdausbhari @ Jun 25 2018, 10:58 AM)
i didnt know Lyra a bit cacat there haha
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Wireless backbone downside is the same but the sync problem with Lyra is what I knew from other user. I'll just stick with Asus router that support AiMesh. It is more flexible and I can add whenever I wanted.
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QUOTE(BacktoBasics @ Jun 25 2018, 10:55 AM)
Oh I see. Noted with thanks bro
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No worries bro, you can also try the power line extender as suggested by bro Zot if you really don’t want to change your router.

 

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