'A meeting in coarse cotton, sixpence for leather and laces. Factory hardened arms mix oil and mud. A century and a quarter forward, Gunners together; battles ahead. From those first heavy steps; Men will become gods.'
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Arsenal Football Club was originally founded in 1886 by employees of the the Dial Square workshop at the Royal Arsenal, which was an armaments factory in South-East London, in a district named Woolwich. Consequently, they were first named ‘Dial Square’ A Scotsman, David Danskin is the man said to have bought the first football for the club. Among the first players for the club was former Nottingham Forest goalkeeper, Fred Beardsley who would be the one to obtain a set of red kits, the colour the Arsenal still wear today. The first match for the new club took place on December 11, 1886 in an open field in the Isle of Dogs (another London district) against a club known as the Eastern Wanderers in which the club won 6-0. What is interesting is that other than the date of this match, everything else written so far may possibly be a myth.
By Christmas however, they had changed the name of their club to Royal Arsenal. They originally played on Plumstead Common before moving to Manor Ground in 1888. Royal Arsenal would move away and then return to Manor Ground as Invicta Ground proved too costly for them. Playing in the amateur leagues proved fruitful for Royal Arsenal as they won a couple of trophies and largely outclassed the other amateur clubs from London. But it wasn’t all rosy for them as the professional clubs attempted to sign their players and they were subsequently banned for amateur football for being too professional, which relegated them to only playing friendlies and in the FA Cup. So 1893 in a bid to gain access into the Football League, Royal Arsenal changed their name to Woolwich Arsenal and became a limited liability company, and attempted to buy the Manor Ground. This ended up working and Woolwich Arsenal began life in the Second Division, where they would spend eleven years, generally finishing mid-table every year. Under the guidance of manager Harry Bradshaw, Woolwich Arsenal would gain promotion to the First Division, where they would lose their manager before the season started to Fulham. They would never come close to challenging for the League title due to financial concerns. Their playing grounds were on the South side of London where most clubs in the division were on the North side, and so to stay afloat they were forced into selling their top players, which resulted in smaller attendances for home matches. In 1910 Woolwich Arsenal went into voluntary liquidation as they were on the verge of bankruptcy when Sir Henry Norris, the chairman of Fulham FC, and other businessmen bought the club. Norris was well aware of the financial difficulties of the location of Woolwich Arsenal and so attempted to merge the club with Fulham, and when that failed, attempted to have them play on alternating Saturdays, which also failed. And so Norris focused on finding a new location for the club, eventually setting his sights on Highbury, in North London, which was met with opposition from the fans and the residents of Highbury. Norris forced it through and spent 125,000 pounds on a new Stadium (9.5 million in 2010 prices) Having been relegated back to the Second Division, Woolwich Arsenal would move to Highbury in 1913, and change their name from ‘Woolwich Arsenal’ to ‘The Arsenal. After four years of no competitive football due to World War 1, The Arsenal would gain promotion into the First Division in a dubious way. In the final season of football in 1914, Arsenal had finished in 6th place, but the First Division was expanding from 20 clubs to 22 and two clubs were to be given the extra two places in the division. Chelsea was given the one place, despite being relegated in the previous season. The other club that had been relegated was none other than Tottenham Hotspur, and they were in the running for the extra place along with Barnsley and Wolves, who had finished ahead of Arsenal. Despite all this, Norris argued that The Arsenal should obtain promotion due to their “long service to league football” and the League board agreed, voting 18-8 to promote The Arsenal. It was alleged that they only managed this promotion due to bribery by Norris with his good friend and chairman of Liverpool, John McKenna, and has fueled the long-standing intense rivalry with Tottenham every since. It has also been argued that Norris was aware of match fixing before the war by Liverpool and Manchester United and used it as a tool to be promoted. Whatever the case, The Arsenal gained entrance into the First Division in 1919 and have never left since, holding the record for the longest unbroken stretch of top-flight football.
After some very poor showing and narrowly avoiding relegation, Norris had enough of his manager Leslie Knighton and hired Herbert Chapman in 1925. Chapman would put his stamp on The Arsenal, changing the way the club did things. Chapman changed the training philosophy and physiotherapy regimes and added numbers to the players shirts, a practice that is now common-place across the footballing world. He also altered the kit, adding white sleeves in 1933, and insisted The Arsenal be known as just ‘Arsenal’ so they would be the first club in alphabetical order every time. He even managed to change the name of the nearby tube station from Gillespie Road to Arsenal, which now has a 52 metre mural to commemorate the team’s move from Highbury in 2006. Chapman also changed the way the game was played on the pitch with the new formation now called ‘WM‘ which can also be described as a 3-2-5 or a 3-2-2-3. It proved so successful that by the late 1930s, most clubs had adopted this formation In Hebert Chapman’s first season in charge, Arsenal made their best finish ever in the league by placing second, but the next few seasons had them stay mid-table. Norris allowed Chapman to spend large sums of money however, and nearly won their first ever trip to the FA Cup final, losing 1-0 to Cardiff City. Three years later, and after buying Arsenal greats Cliff Bastin, David Jack and Alex James, Arsenal made the FA Cup final once more, this time defeating Chapman’s old club Huddersfield Town 2-0 and earning the clubs first ever major trophy. They then won the League title for the first time in 1931, recording their best ever win against Grimsby Town, 9-1, which still stands. In 1932 Arsenal lost the FA Cup Final to Newcastle 2-1 after they had a goal that was wrongly awarded as a goal kick. The 1932-33 season would see Arsenal win their 2nd league title. In January 1934, Herbert Chapman would suddenly pass away from pneumonia, but that would not stop the winning ways as they would win the League again that season, as well as 1934-35 and 1937-38 and another FA Cup in 1936. Arsenal were such a strong club that in 1934, England had seven Arsenal players start a match and defeated the then, World Champions Italy 3-2, and is still a record for most players from a single club starting a match for England. On March 9, 1935 Arsenal saw it’s largest ever attendance for a match versus Sunderland, counting 73,295 fans at Highbury. The Second World War would suspend all competitive football for the 1939-40 season, and Highbury was used as an ARP station (Air Raid Precautions), and had a bomb destroy the North Bank roof and setting fire to the terrace. With Highbury taken Arsenal played their home matches at White Hart Lane while football still continued, although the matches do not count in official statistics as star players would play as ‘guests’ for various clubs when not in the armed forces. The war claimed nine first team Arsenal players, the most of any club in the top flight. Arsenal were also afflicted with a heavy financial burden of repairing their war damaged stadium, and consequently struggled when regular club football began once again in 1946, finishing 13th. Tom Whittaker took over as manager and won the League title in the 1947-48 season. They would then win the FA Cup in 1949-50, a 2-0 win over Liverpool. After nearly winning the Double in the 51-52 season, but failing in both competitions, Arsenal won their 7th League title the following year in what was one
of the closest title races ever, narrowly beating Preston North End only on goal average. The title would ultimately prove to be Arsenal’s last trophy for seventeen long years. Tom Whittaker would pass away in 1956, and Arsenal would try and fail with Jack Crayston, George Swindin and Billy Wright as managers, generally finishing mid-table, and having to endure Tottenham winning the double in 1961. On May 5, 1966 Highbury would see it’s lowest ever attendance be recorded with 4,554 in the stands, and having only one player in England’s 1966 World Cup winning squad, a far cry from the successful and prosperous times under Chapman and Whittaker. Wright, then the manager, was fired and the Arsenal board made the odd appointment of their club physiotherapist Bertie Mee to replace him. The appointment of Bertie Mee was so surprising that he himself requested to return to his old role if he proved unsuccessful after one year. Alongside assistant Dave Sexton, Mee promoted players from the youth team, boys who would become household names in Charlie George, John Radford, and Ray Kennedy. Alongside Frank McLintock and Peter Shorey, they reached the League Cup in 1968 and 1969, but losing each one. They managed to make it into Europe for the 1970 Inter-Cities Fairs Cup however, winning it and ending their long trophy drought. The 1970-71 campaign then came, in which Arsenal recorded their first double winning campaign where they won the FA Cup and the League title, winning the league by defeating Tottenham at White Hart Lane on the last day, and defeating Liverpool 2-1 in extra time at Wembley. (And *we* complain about six years. Try 17 and then let’s talk crisis) Sadly the double winning side was broken up shortly after this, and after finishing 16th and 17, Bertie Mee gave his resignation.
Terry Neill would be appointed manager, and his time at the helm witnessed the strong emergence of an Irish core of Liam Brady, Pat Rice, Frank Stapleton, Pat Jennings, and David O’Leary which gave Arsenal a still-strong following amongst the Irish. While Neill’s time at the club was in the midst of the Liverpool dominance, he still managed to direct the club to three FA Cup finals in 1978, 79, 80 but only winning it in 79, when Alan Sunderland won the match in injury time to record a now-famous win. The 1979-80 season saw Arsenal play a record breaking 70 matches and reaching two finals, the FA Cup loss to West Ham and losing the finals in Europe to Valencia on penalties. The summer of 1980 saw Liam Brady leave for Juventus and apart from 1982-83, Arsenal continued to make the top four, but never looked like winning anything. The lost both Cup semi-finals that year and and Terry Neill struggled to manage the club, arguing with key players as a drinking culture immersed itself at Arsenal. After losing to Third Division Walsall in the League Cup, Neill was fired in Decemeber 1983 and replaced with Don Howe, under whom Arsenal would fare no better. And when Howe heard the board had approached Terry Venables (then at Barcelona) he resigned and Steve Burtenshaw was named caretaker while the club searched for a replacement. Alex Ferguson, then at Aberdeen in Scotland, was approached, but he rejected Arsenal and six month later would find himself at Manchester United.
In May 1986 former Arsenal player, George Graham was appointed manager of Arsenal. Graham would slowly sell off older players and promote from the youth team and was able to dictate a stronger sense of discipline at the club, something the previous managers had attempted and failed at. In Graham’s debut season, Arsenal was able to with the League Cup, coming from behind in the final against Liverpool with a double by Charlie Nichols. This was in the midst of a UEFA English ban for European competitions in relation to the Heysel disaster, and so Arsenal missed out on the 87-88 UEFA Cup.
The 87-88 campaign saw Arsenal lose the League Cup final to Luton Town, but Graham was building a squad that would continue to improve with their young defense coming together under captain Tony Adams, Lee Dixon, Steve Bould and Nigel Winterburn. This, buoyed by the terrific midfield of David Rocastle, Michael Thomas and Paul Merson and goal-scoring sensation Alan Smith, in 1989 Arsenal would finally win their first League title since 1971, and would do so in stunning fashion. Arsenal led the league since Christmas, but allowed Liverpool, who were going for the Double, to overtake them by losing to Derby County and drawing at home to Wimbeldon. The final match of the season was at Anfield and Arsenal were required to win by two goals in order to win the title. With 90 minutes gone, Arsenal were up 1-0 when this happened:
And Arsenal were League Champions. Arsenal would have to wait until the 1990-91 season to find success again, and had to do so despite losing two points after a on-field brawl with Manchester United at Old Trafford, and losing Tony Adams for four months when he was sent to prison for drunk driving in December that year. However, they only lost one league match the entire year, and won the title by seven points. After signing Ian Wright from Crystal Palace in 1991 and losing David Rocastle to Leeds United the year after, Arsenal became known as ‘Boring, boring Arsenal’ depending on their stout defense and the goal-scoring prowess of Wright to win games. The FA Premier League was then created for the 1992-93 season, in which Arsenal were one of the founding members, and became the first club to win the FA Cup and League Cup double. The following year Arsenal won their second European trophy, defeating Parma 1-0 in the Cup Winner’s Cup final in Copenhagen.
Arsenal were forced to sack George Graham February 1995 when it was found he had taken an illegal payment of a player. Bruce Rioch took over at Arsenal, who guided Arsenal to the Cup Winner’s Cup Final, but lost to Real Zaragoza from a 40 yarder in the 120 minute; a howler by David Seaman. The summer of 1995 saw him Rioch sign Dutchman Dennis Bergkamp, breaking the English transfer recorded at the time. He was sacked just before the 1996 season over a dispute about the transfer funds. Arsenal then made the audacious and obscure decision to hire Frenchman Arsene Wenger from Nagoya Grampus Eight in Japan to manage their club. Wenger changed the club, completely eliminating the drinking culture that was prevalent at the time, changing the diets and training methods of the players, and brought about a change in tactics. Wenger brought in unknown players such as Patrick Vieira, Nicolas Anelka, Emmanuel Petit and Marc Overmars in 1997 and with George Graham’s noturious defense, Wenger became the first foreign manager to win the 1997-98 League title. Arsenal won the Double that year, winning the FA Cup. Ian Wright left that summer, having broken Cliff Bastin’s goalscoring record, his tally at Arsenal ending at 185 goals. The next few years were trophy-barren at Arsenal, despite signing Freddie Ljungberg and Thierry Henry. The rivalry with Manchester United fired up 1998-99 however as Arsenal finished 2nd in the League to United, and lost the FA Cup semi-final replay in extra time to them as well. The next season Arsenal again finished second best to Manchester United, this time by 18 points, and lost the EUFA Cup final in 0-0 game that went to penalties in Copenhagen to Galatasaray. The 2000-01 season saw Arsenal finish 2nd yet again to Manchester United, and lost in the FA Cup to Liverpool; as well as losing on the ‘away goals rule’ in the Champions league quarter-finals to eventual finalist Valencia.
The 2001-02 season became memorable as Arsenal’s furious attacking side lead by Thierry Henry won the Double for a record-tying third time. Arsenal were the only club to score in every game of the League that season, and went unbeaten away from home. They defeated Manchester United in the FA Cup, before also beating Chelsea in the finals. The 2002-03 was notable when Arsenal became the first club in over 20 years to retain the FA Cup title when they defeated Southampton in the final, but lost out on the League title to United losing their final game of the season at home to Leeds. That Last match day defeat to Leeds would become Arsenal’s last loss for over a year, and the 2003-04 season saw the rise of the ‘Invincibles’ where they won 26 and drew 12 matches, finishing 11 points clear of Chelsea in second place. Preston North End in 1888-89 is the only other team to have ever completed such a feat.
The following season Arsenal extended their unbeaten run to 49 consecutive League matches, an English league football record, when they finally lost to Manchester United. They failed to win the title that year as the newly cash rich Chelsea finished 12 points ahead, but managed to win the FA Cup for their 3rd time in four years. The 2005-06 season was largely disappointing, and Arsenal barely managed to obtain fourth place and their Champions League spot when St. Totteringham’s day came on the very last match day when Sp*rs lost to West Ham and Arsenal won their last ever match at Highbury stadium over Wigan. In the Champions League however, Arsenal made it the Finals against Barcelona, but a silly red card to keeper Jens Lehmann early in the match had Arsenal desperately defend a 1-0 lead for most of the game, before two late goals by Barca took the title away. Arsenal completed the move from historic Highbury to the Emirates stadium July 2006. Highbury was limited to only 38,500 seats after standing was banned in English football, and with the club unable to expand the stadium and needing to increase revenue streams to compete with money-giant clubs like Chelsea and Manchester United, a move down the road to Ashburton Grove was made. To facilitate the move in a manner that did not destroy the club financially, Arsene Wenger was forced to sell off highly paid stars and transition the club with youngsters, while still managing to be highly competitive and keep the fans into the massive 60,000+ stadium. Since the move Arsenal have stayed in the Champions League, qualifying for the competition for 14 years in a row, and have remained competitive in the Premier league, but ultimately collapsing the final months of the campaigns. December 11, 2011 saw Arsenal play at home and marked Arsenal’s 125 year in existence, and Arsenal celebrated the occasion the only way they know how; with style and class. The great-great-grandson of Fred Beardsley, the man who sourced the Arsenal original kit, assisted Vic Akers with the club’s kits and was brought onto the pitch in the pre-game ceremony. Supporters’ Stories were installed on benches outside the Armoury. A sixpence was thrown by referee Howard Webb at kick-off. Inside the players’ tunnel, celebrations of the 5-3 over Chelsea, and Henri Lansbury Sp*rs goal have been included on the walls. Arsenal had the Royal Artillery and Orchestra playing outside the stadium. The 1970s greats Bob Wilson, Charlie George, Frank McLintock, John Radford and Terry Neill were all introduced onto the Emirates pitch, followed by David O’Leary, Paul Davis, George Graham, Alan Smith, Anders Limpar and Ian Wright. Members of the Invincibles then took to the pitch, Ray Parlour, Robert Pires, Jens Lehmann, Lee Dixon, Lauren and Thierry Henry showed up. The great-grandchildren of founder David Danskin carried the matchball to begin the game. They even ensured there was a cannon alongside side the pitch.
Perhaps the best part of the weekend was the Friday prior, when Arsenal unveiled the statues of Herbert Chapman, Tony Adams and Thierry Henry outside the Stadium. So many greats could have been chosen, but it’s difficult to argue with the man who revolutionized football in the 1930s, the winning-est club captain, and the Arsenal’s record goal-scorer.
May there be more greatness to come for the beloved and storied club.
FA Cup Winners (12) 1930 Beat Huddersfield Town 2-0 1936 Beat Sheffield United 1-0 1950 Beat Liverpool 2-0 1971 Beat Liverpool 2-1 1979 Beat Manchester United 3-2 1993 Beat Sheffield Wednesday 2-1 1998 Beat Newcastle United 2-0 2002 Beat Chelsea 2-0 2003 Beat Southampton 1-0 2005 Beat Manchester Utd 5-4 on penalties (after 0-0 draw) 2014 Beat Hull City 3-1 (After Extra Time 2-2) 2015 Beat Aston Villa 4-0
League Cup Winners (2) 1987 Beat Liverpool 2-1 1993 Beat Sheffield Wednesday 2-1
European Nights 1970 European Fairs Cup winners beating Anderlecht of Belgium 4-3 on aggregate. 1980 Cup Winners� Cup finalists losing on penalties to Valencia of Spain in Brussels. 1994 Cup Winners� Cup winners beating Parma of Italy 1-0 in the final in Copenhagen. 1995 Cup Winners� Cup finalists losing 2-1 to Real Zaragoza of Spain after extra time in Paris. 2000 UEFA Cup finalists losing 4-1 on penalties to Galatasaray after a 0-0 draw and extra time in Copenhagen. 2006 UEFA Champions League finalists losing 2-1 to Barcelona of Spain in Paris.
Arsenal Ladies' Honours
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UEFA Women' Cup Winners 2007
National Premier League 1992/93, 1994/95, 1996/97, 2000/01, 2001/02, 2003/04, 2004/05, 2006/07
National League Cup 1992, 1993, 1994, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2005, 2007
WFA Cup 1993, 1995, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2004, 2007
FA Womens' Community Shield Winners (3+1 shared) 2000 (shared with Charlton Athletic), 2001, 2005, 2006
London County FA Women's Cup Winners (6) 1995, 1996, 1997, 2000, 2004, 2007 Beat Millwall 2-0
National League South 1991/92
London Senior Cup 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2004
Youth Honours
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FA Premier Youth League 1997/98
FA National Academy PLAY-OFF Final Under-17s: 1999/00 Under-19s: 2001/02
yeah, probably we will be playing EUROPA next season
Playing in the Europa League is the best this to ever happen in this 2 decade rein... Will serve as a wake up call....
If the board is only happy with a Top 4 Finish to milk the money from CL, I think the entire club and management needs a hard reset/wake up call and being in Europa is a great start....
So either Wenger loosen the purse strings and get real world beaters, or if the regression continues, the board gets a hungry-for-success manager....
Playing in the Europa League is the best this to ever happen in this 2 decade rein... Will serve as a wake up call....
If the board is only happy with a Top 4 Finish to milk the money from CL, I think the entire club and management needs a hard reset/wake up call and being in Europa is a great start....
So either Wenger loosen the purse strings and get real world beaters, or if the regression continues, the board gets a hungry-for-success manager....
If we talking about world class, arsenal already have mesut ozil and arexis sanchez...
But does wenger have an ideal/philosophical way of football that can inspire/motivate his world class player to give his all? Does he exploit his team strength to the fullest of his players ability??
If we talking about world class, arsenal already have mesut ozil and arexis sanchez...
But does wenger have an ideal/philosophical way of football that can inspire/motivate his world class player to give his all? Does he exploit his team strength to the fullest of his players ability??
wenger is not new in management bro ... n what make u think that he doesn't have the all the above ? probably ozil n sanchez join arsenal because of wenger.
i'm not sure about ozil's reputation before he join arsenal but sanchez was a surplus in barcelona which hardly make him a world class but i do agree he is one now.
anyway the sign does indicate that wenger will atleast be given another season, so hopefully the failure of not making in the UCL will serve as a reminder that we need to invest in BIG players.
on a none related matter - spurs should have beat westham n put some pressure on chelsea - i wasted some good points on courtouis, alonso n pedro (in fantasy football) for being rested, dammit ... but nevertheless better to have u guys won it than spurs (highest position in 51 years ... hahahaha).
Previously the fa cup final game got screen at cinema bro. All arsenal fans in that cinema Hopefully this time still got .. What fuck .. no Perez.. ffs arsene
wenger is not new in management bro ... n what make u think that he doesn't have the all the above ? probably ozil n sanchez join arsenal because of wenger.
i'm not sure about ozil's reputation before he join arsenal but sanchez was a surplus in barcelona which hardly make him a world class but i do agree he is one now.
anyway the sign does indicate that wenger will atleast be given another season, so hopefully the failure of not making in the UCL will serve as a reminder that we need to invest in BIG players.
on a none related matter - spurs should have beat westham n put some pressure on chelsea - i wasted some good points on courtouis, alonso n pedro (in fantasy football) for being rested, dammit ... but nevertheless better to have u guys won it than spurs (highest position in 51 years ... hahahaha).
Just randomly going through the Arsenal page when I suddenly see this comment.
I guess he has a "track record" of creating a winning mentality in the team right? Isn't that the main issue year in year out. That the team just cannot performed when it matters?
"sanchez was a surplus in barcelona which hardly make him a world class"
I guess you never notice the huge transfer fee being paid out for Sanchez despite him being a surplus. I guess you do not understand that Barcelona basically "collects" world class players and that just because Sanchez cannot dispatch players like Suarez, Neymar, Messi, Ineista, he is not world class. Wow. Just wow.
Guess Arsene Wenger must be pretty stupid for paying 32.5 million pounds for a "non world class" player.
And you do not know about Ozil despite him being described as pivotal to Real Madrid and being the top assist provider. Even Christiano Ronaldo expressed anger at him leaving. Guess when ozil join, he was just another run of the mil player that Arsene signed right?
And your last statement confirms your allegiance. Not that I take you seriously. You never knew that West Ham has always been Spurs bogey team.
Guess nowadays everyone can comment in a thread right?
I mean if you want to be a fake at least get some relevant knowledge ok.
But I can see that besides that guy no one takes you seriously in this thread.
This post has been edited by sylar111: May 17 2017, 06:37 AM
Can't believe I said this and can't believe the cycles really repeated themselves.
Every seasons we will magically recovering and winning the remaining last portion of our games when either (1) the title is over, (2) fighting for 4th.
Only difference this seasons is our luck is running out as the top 1-6 contenders not fu**ed up as they always been all these years.
4th spot is gone as far as I concern unless Liverpool slip it out but doubt it.
This is what we get when we having manager who afraid of changes, questionable training methods that always lead to injuries and players who do not give 200% in every games except Alexis lol
Can't believe I said this and can't believe the cycles really repeated themselves.
Every seasons we will magically recovering and winning the remaining last portion of our games when either (1) the title is over, (2) fighting for 4th. Only difference this seasons is our luck is running out as the top 1-6 contenders not fu**ed up as they always been all these years. 4th spot is gone as far as I concern unless Liverpool slip it out but doubt it.
This is what we get when we having manager who afraid of changes, questionable training methods that always lead to injuries and players who do not give 200% in every games except Alexis lol
Magic I have to say that we perform so well at the end of the season. The irony is that we should have been competing for the title given our earlier form. Something is really wrong. We perform well early season, mess up mid season then do well again end seasion. It's definitely not a squad issue.
dont be stupid bro, make stupid statements like that makes you really look stupid.
Sanchez was one of the top performers during the FIFA World Cup 2014 in Brazil, shortly after that we went and bought him from Barcelona, and Liverpool was also interested to sign him..
if he wasnt world class you think fans would cum in excitement when we signed him and he chose us over Liverpool?
i don't think he is one of the top performer (2 goals, 1 assist n one missed penalty) in 2014 world cup but 2015 Copa America yes.
i have no doubt he was a good player in barcelona but not a world class yet (maybe to me lar), cause 1st barca don't sell their "world class" players n y only liverpool up against us for a "world class" player, i don't see y chelsa, man utd n city passing out a 31.7 mil "world class" player.
anyway u don't have to agree with me, it's just my 2 cents.
i don't think he is one of the top performer (2 goals, 1 assist n one missed penalty) in 2014 world cup but 2015 Copa America yes.
i have no doubt he was a good player in barcelona but not a world class yet (maybe to me lar), cause 1st barca don't sell their "world class" players n y only liverpool up against us for a "world class" player, i don't see y chelsa, man utd n city passing out a 31.7 mil "world class" player.
anyway u don't have to agree with me, it's just my 2 cents.
LMAO. OK.
then why we see Arsenal passing on so many world class players too?
Oh forgot, Wenger is your God right.
PS: Dont dig up stats and act smart la. Bet you didnt even watch Chile's matches to know how much of an impact Sanchez had for the Chilean National team. He, Vidal and Vargas literally carried Chile on their backs and proceeded their form in the FIFA World Cup to go on and win the Copa America. Oh but what do you know, you only know how to dig up stats online and act smart.
This post has been edited by LordDenning: May 17 2017, 05:49 PM
Just randomly going through the Arsenal page when I suddenly see this comment.
I guess he has a "track record" of creating a winning mentality in the team right? Isn't that the main issue year in year out. That the team just cannot performed when it matters?
"sanchez was a surplus in barcelona which hardly make him a world class"
I guess you never notice the huge transfer fee being paid out for Sanchez despite him being a surplus. I guess you do not understand that Barcelona basically "collects" world class players and that just because Sanchez cannot dispatch players like Suarez, Neymar, Messi, Ineista, he is not world class. Wow. Just wow.
Guess Arsene Wenger must be pretty stupid for paying 32.5 million pounds for a "non world class" player.
And you do not know about Ozil despite him being described as pivotal to Real Madrid and being the top assist provider. Even Christiano Ronaldo expressed anger at him leaving. Guess when ozil join, he was just another run of the mil player that Arsene signed right?
And your last statement confirms your allegiance. Not that I take you seriously. You never knew that West Ham has always been Spurs bogey team.
Guess nowadays everyone can comment in a thread right?
I mean if you want to be a fake at least get some relevant knowledge ok.
But I can see that besides that guy no one takes you seriously in this thread.
2 goals and 1 assist in FIFA world cup la. Not some league cup or fa cup. Deyh idiot, how many can even score 2 goals in a world cup? My god you are spewing shit from your ass.
so a top performer requirement is to score 2 goals in world cup ? then i guess 2014 world cup got 32 top performers in your eyes.
i think our definition of top performer is a little different
This post has been edited by changchai: May 17 2017, 08:04 PM
thats why I say, you only know how to pluck facts from the internet and act smart. If you had actually watch Sanchez's performances during the World Cup you wouldnt be barking like an idiot over here. Who do you think led Chile to win their first ever Copa America, continuing their good form they had from the World Cup? why real madrid sell Ozil? Why Arsenal sell RVP our top scorer and captain? Eh you serious bodoh tahap lagi bangang Casa. I never put anyone into ignore list before in AST, not even the clown that is Casa. But you're the first idiot that im blocking.
no problem bro, whatever rock ur boat
anyway in the future if i mistakenly quote u please forgive me cause i don't hold grudge (especially on the internet) on anyone ... so have a good day
This post has been edited by changchai: May 17 2017, 08:13 PM
Strange thing is that you are the only one so far that whack him. No one else whack him accept him. Still remember many post back I shoot him. I mean as Arsenal fan, we should know that we were never a selling club. The players left because they felt that Arsenal had no future. Not because Arsenal sold them because of cash. And this guy go and defend himself by sending me a youtube on why the emirates caused Arsenal to have a cashflow problem. The fact is that Arsenal still have money to spare and the fact of the matter is, Arsenal qualify in the Champion's League every season. They have monies to buy and do not need to sell just that their budget was very limited.
And remember the match whereby Man United ended Arsenal unbeaten run. It was so clear that the referee was cheating. I guess someone bought him or the FA told him to cheat because it was so blatant.
And also remember a period of time whereby Arsenal was playing fantasy football and then the FA allowed the other opposition team to foul the players intentionally and leading our key players to injury. Actually there were times whereby Arsenal really could have won if not for the cheating. But this asshole go and say that the referee was fair and that there were times whereby the referee gave us chances.
This guy does not even know the basic. I mean even a non football guy would probably be not as stupid as him. That is why I was even asking him what job he was working as because even a non arsenal fan will not be so stupid as him.
Maybe this guy fell when he was born who knows. But the mystery is why it took so long before someone else whack this guy. Such as embarassment.
thats why I say, you only know how to pluck facts from the internet and act smart. If you had actually watch Sanchez's performances during the World Cup you wouldnt be barking like an idiot over here. Who do you think led Chile to win their first ever Copa America, continuing their good form they had from the World Cup? why real madrid sell Ozil? Why Arsenal sell RVP our top scorer and captain? Eh you serious bodoh tahap lagi bangang Casa. I never put anyone into ignore list before in AST, not even the clown that is Casa. But you're the first idiot that im blocking.
Haha. He still does not understand that basically Barcelona and Real Madrid "collects" world class player and their surplus is still considered world class. That is why Arsenal is able to get them at a cheaper price. 32.5 million actually can be considered 50 million if not surplus. 42.5 million for ozil would have been 60 if not surplus. I mean arsene wenger still look for bargain.
The only overvalued player that i see is mustafi. Damn this one really panic buy and hindered rob holding. Of course he is good but is not the arsenal price.
As for RVP. Well that guy is a traitor.
Never seen an idiot actually. And he sure has thick skin. Does not even know to acknowledge his mistakes.
This post has been edited by sylar111: May 17 2017, 10:18 PM
To the admin here. Did this guy ask you to delete posts? Maybe while you are deleting post look at the post that this guy has written and see why people are getting irritated by him. Thanks
To the admin here. Did this guy ask you to delete posts? Maybe while you are deleting post look at the post that this guy has written and see why people are getting irritated by him. Thanks
When I get more than 3 reports I will immediately delete the post after examining it. TQ
Finish 4th (or 3rd, well a man can dream), qualify for CL and/or win FA Cup = Arséne Wenger stays on as our boss
OR
Finish 5th, welcome Europa League and fail to win FA Cup = Arséne Wenger goes
Which one you prefer, and why?
i would prefer finish top 4 whether Wenger stay or goes is secondary.
y? cause i have a feeling that even if we finish 5th, wenger will still be arsenal manager come next season. so i rather not take the risk of not finishing top 4.
without UCL, i'm not sure if Sanchez will stay with us or not
1. Lets hope we can finish top 4. 2. Lets hope we can win the FA Cup. 3. Lets hope when AW goes, his replacement is great. 4. Lets hope when AW signs 2 more years, he can make a change like he made 3-5-2.
Tbh What more likely to happen is , Finnish 5th, Wenger stay and Sanchez leaves
i agree 5th is the most likely since we r too dependence to liverpool's results.
but i do think if wenger remains then Sanchez would most likely be in emirates next season provided wenger show some ambition by signing the right players for the next campaign.
When I get more than 3 reports I will immediately delete the post after examining it. TQ
Well. Did you actually examine it or you just follow your friend's request. Because if you examine it, I believe you will see that his post was justified even though it was a little crude. By deleting his post, what do you want to promote. Ignorance?
But you are just following orders right? Well as for that ChengChai guy. 2 of my post just got reported. And I am sure it's related to this guy. Cheng.Your skin is surely thick right?
This post has been edited by sylar111: May 19 2017, 04:13 AM
Well. Did you actually examine it or you just follow your friend's request. Because if you examine it, I believe you will see that his post was justified even though it was a little crude. By deleting his post, what do you want to promote. Ignorance?
But you are just following orders right? Well as for that ChengChai guy. 2 of my post just got reported. And I am sure it's related to this guy. Cheng.Your skin is surely thick right?
1. I got a report thru PM. 2. I check the post(s). 3. I saw abusive language ; e.g. calling other forumers idiot. 4. I deleted the post regardless the writings was justified or not.
"Whatever you might think of Wenger now, he helped extend Tony’s career, and enabling him to captain Arsenal to a double in 1997-98, and the Premier League title in 2002, making him the only man to captain a side to the title in three different decades."
LOL "Arsenal did offer Adams a job coaching the under 18s last year, which he accepted, before chasing a more lucrative offer in China. One which has led him to managing Spanish side Granada now, but they have lost every game since he took over."
This post has been edited by rifasha: May 20 2017, 09:28 AM
A legend more like some kiddie now. Acting that way won't get Adams anywhere lol. His track record as manager is pretty rubbish and he berani talk like that lol. Man... ape nak jadi la
Kroenke borrowed like one billion for his new stadium. I think the stadium cost around 2 billion or so. So what Usmanov is doing is tempting him probably lol
Kinda wish he would spend that money buying some world class players for us instead though lol. Damn useless
This post has been edited by Rei7: May 20 2017, 10:06 PM
it will take a miracle for boro to draw this one ... anyway just do our part n win this then prepare for FA cup finals ... will Kosc be banned in the finals ?
when it matters keep dropping points and conceding silly goals.
I for one am happy were not going to CL. We dont deserve it.
oh and also, goodbye Alexis.
Nah. He wun leave just because of 1 season out of CL. If we pay him a reasonable salary he will stay. If we can show some ambition. I still think the puzzle is almost complete. Remember our mid field is considered the strongest at the start of the season. Our defenders are good. Actually we have an almost complete team to be honest. Maybe need a proficient center forward so that Sanchez can play in his natural position.
We would have finished top 4 if not for all of the turmoils.
Winning FA is gonna be hard, but a win would be nice. Keeping Ozil, and Sanchez gonna be hard too now. They like the club, but yeah not winning anything is not tempting xD
Nah. He wun leave just because of 1 season out of CL. If we pay him a reasonable salary he will stay. If we can show some ambition. I still think the puzzle is almost complete. Remember our mid field is considered the strongest at the start of the season. Our defenders are good. Actually we have an almost complete team to be honest. Maybe need a proficient center forward so that Sanchez can play in his natural position.
We would have finished top 4 if not for all of the turmoils.
I'm with you here, the squad is quite good A top striker, or a top prospect striker would make this Arsenal team much, much more dangerous I'm very sure the Boss knew this,in fact he knew for quite some time already as he did try to get Suarez few seasons back
Never thought I've seen the day Arséne Wenger failed to get us to Champions League, but perhaps this can be a 1-step back, 2-step forward type of thing for us
Remember when we scored 7 goals in a game in PL almost every season..?
Well. That was the beautiful soccer I was talking about. I think the referees do not really like Arsenal otherwise we could have won a few more titles.
This post has been edited by sylar111: May 22 2017, 10:49 AM
The table speaks for itself. All the top 10 teams deserved to be where they are this season i personally.
missing out on ECL is a disappointment and so does our annual self-destruct, but we brought it towards ourselves.
I don't know whether you guys noticed after Kos got red card, actually the fans helped us thru it. Clearly, Everton players were disturbed since then. Have not seen a good home crowd since long time...
If not wrong, all of the top 7 clubs had been playing europa recently except for us...so it's time..
it is a good wake up call for both wenger n the board ... we really need to get better players n be open for more tactical changes instead of being to predictable.
it's good to see wenger changing his tactical recently, but will it be too late - well, let's see if he's still here come next season (very likely he'll be around).
n if wenger is around for next season, i think he will put his concentration in the league n put our youngsters for the europa.
Need someone new to manage the club tbh. I kinda don't want another decade of not winning the league lol. Sudah sudah la tu.. Kroenke sorang lagi, bile la nak blah lol
ECL is meaningless to us, tbh. We are never going to win it.
If you understand how things work. ECL is supposed to provide us with more income, prestige and also to attract more players. Just because we do not win it does not mean that we do not participate in it. If that is the case sunderland should not be playing in EPL right since they have no chance of winning it.
Just worried Wenger, Kroenke and the board thinking:
Qualify for last 16/quarter final Champs league is better than winning Europa since the TV and competition money much bigger....
QUOTE(changchai @ May 22 2017, 01:12 PM)
even if u don't like it, that's the truth - playing in UCL fetch far more money than winning Europa.
That's only partly true. CL offers more money but it depends on how far you progress too. United for example this season can earn more from EL than they did last season when they were eliminated from CL group stages.
If I'm not mistaken winning the EL is more or less equivalent of R16/QF of CL moneywise. So the incentive is definitely there to win it especially if you happen to be strong favourites.
This post has been edited by Cloud0890: May 22 2017, 05:02 PM
That's only partly true. CL offers more money but it depends on how far you progress too. United for example this season can earn more from EL than they did last season when they were eliminated from CL group stages.
If I'm not mistaken winning the EL is more or less equivalent of R16/QF of CL moneywise. So the incentive is definitely there to win it especially if you happen to be strong favourites.
you may be right ... i need to check out the payout for this season to know better.
n of course the further we reach the more the payout.
That's only partly true. CL offers more money but it depends on how far you progress too. United for example this season can earn more from EL than they did last season when they were eliminated from CL group stages.
If I'm not mistaken winning the EL is more or less equivalent of R16/QF of CL moneywise. So the incentive is definitely there to win it especially if you happen to be strong favourites.
i got this from the net so not sure how true this is ...
Europa : Total EUR 399.8 mil (Fixed Pool - EUR239.8 mil & Market Pool - EUR160.0 mil)
Allocation to all group stage participants: €2.6m. Group stage performance bonus per win: €360,000 Group stage performance bonus per draw: €120,000 Non-distributed amounts (€120,000 per draw) will be pooled and redistributed among the clubs playing in the group stage in amounts proportionate to their number of wins. Group winners bonus: €600,000 Group runners-up bonus: €300,000 Round of 32 appearance: €500,000 Round of 16 appearance: €750,000 Quarter-final appearance: €1m Semi-final appearance: €1.6m The UEFA Europa League winners can expect to receive €6.5m and the runners-up €3.5m, inclusive of their share of ticket revenue from the final (no additional amount will be paid to the finalists in relation to ticketing as was customary in the past).
UCL : Total EUR 1,268.9 mil (Fixed Pool - EUR761.9 mil & Market Pool - EUR507.0 mil)
Allocation to all group stage participants: €12.7m. Group stage performance bonus per win: €1.5m Group stage performance bonus per draw: €500,000 Round of 16 appearance: €6.0m Quarter-final appearance: €6.5m Semi-final appearance: €7.5m Final appearance: €15.5m
Based on the above by participating in the UCL group is almost as good as winning the Europa ... n this is excluding the money from the market pool (i don't know how to calculate this one).
Next season will be exciting..few club will get a new stadium..we will play in new competition..kroenke still in the club sucking money..usmanoz trying to monopolize..new players will coming and what will happen to our key players and british core players..
i got this from the net so not sure how true this is ...
Europa : Total EUR 399.8 mil (Fixed Pool - EUR239.8 mil & Market Pool - EUR160.0 mil)
Allocation to all group stage participants: €2.6m. Group stage performance bonus per win: €360,000 Group stage performance bonus per draw: €120,000 Non-distributed amounts (€120,000 per draw) will be pooled and redistributed among the clubs playing in the group stage in amounts proportionate to their number of wins. Group winners bonus: €600,000 Group runners-up bonus: €300,000 Round of 32 appearance: €500,000 Round of 16 appearance: €750,000 Quarter-final appearance: €1m Semi-final appearance: €1.6m The UEFA Europa League winners can expect to receive €6.5m and the runners-up €3.5m, inclusive of their share of ticket revenue from the final (no additional amount will be paid to the finalists in relation to ticketing as was customary in the past).
UCL : Total EUR 1,268.9 mil (Fixed Pool - EUR761.9 mil & Market Pool - EUR507.0 mil)
Allocation to all group stage participants: €12.7m. Group stage performance bonus per win: €1.5m Group stage performance bonus per draw: €500,000 Round of 16 appearance: €6.0m Quarter-final appearance: €6.5m Semi-final appearance: €7.5m Final appearance: €15.5m
Based on the above by participating in the UCL group is almost as good as winning the Europa ... n this is excluding the money from the market pool (i don't know how to calculate this one).
Exactly. Arsenal should on paper be fully capable of winning it. It's therefore a way to minimize the financial impact of missing out on CL. Wenger seems to have a habit of going out in R16 anyway, so might as well go all the way to win a trophy, get more or less the same amount of prize/tv money and direct qualification to CL group stages.
i got this from the net so not sure how true this is ...
Europa : Total EUR 399.8 mil (Fixed Pool - EUR239.8 mil & Market Pool - EUR160.0 mil)
Allocation to all group stage participants: €2.6m. Group stage performance bonus per win: €360,000 Group stage performance bonus per draw: €120,000 Non-distributed amounts (€120,000 per draw) will be pooled and redistributed among the clubs playing in the group stage in amounts proportionate to their number of wins. Group winners bonus: €600,000 Group runners-up bonus: €300,000 Round of 32 appearance: €500,000 Round of 16 appearance: €750,000 Quarter-final appearance: €1m Semi-final appearance: €1.6m The UEFA Europa League winners can expect to receive €6.5m and the runners-up €3.5m, inclusive of their share of ticket revenue from the final (no additional amount will be paid to the finalists in relation to ticketing as was customary in the past).
UCL : Total EUR 1,268.9 mil (Fixed Pool - EUR761.9 mil & Market Pool - EUR507.0 mil)
Allocation to all group stage participants: €12.7m. Group stage performance bonus per win: €1.5m Group stage performance bonus per draw: €500,000 Round of 16 appearance: €6.0m Quarter-final appearance: €6.5m Semi-final appearance: €7.5m Final appearance: €15.5m
Based on the above by participating in the UCL group is almost as good as winning the Europa ... n this is excluding the money from the market pool (i don't know how to calculate this one).
Exactly. Arsenal should on paper be fully capable of winning it. It's therefore a way to minimize the financial impact of missing out on CL. Wenger seems to have a habit of going out in R16 anyway, so might as well go all the way to win a trophy, get more or less the same amount of prize/tv money and direct qualification to CL group stages.
this is just me - i would like to see us concentrating in the premier league n let's the kids/rotation to play in the Europa - i would like to see us challenging the top team n hopefully have a short on the title.
Many has been waiting 20 years for this day to come. Haha... europa then Europa ba. At least it's a good wake up call for the board, players and fan...
Many has been waiting 20 years for this day to come. Haha... europa then Europa ba. At least it's a good wake up call for the board, players and fan...
#Samaje
not much we can do other than accept the fact ... seems like we already lost the FA cup before the kick-off - west of london celebrating a double already
suddenly it hits me. i think wenger is staying. the reason he didn't announce is because he is worried it will create a backlash by the fans during the season run in. lol.
and if he is really going, there would have been rumors about new potential manager already. tapi now diam diam only. doesn't sounds good.
suddenly it hits me. i think wenger is staying. the reason he didn't announce is because he is worried it will create a backlash by the fans during the season run in. lol.
and if he is really going, there would have been rumors about new potential manager already. tapi now diam diam only. doesn't sounds good.
yup, i do think he is staying - guess for another year.
makes sense since lots of ex arsenal players go there anyway. if he's going to a rival team, city would be the best emotionally. if i HAD to let him go to a rival, rather city than chelsea/pool.
Star player contract's left 1 year - player dont wanna sign new deal - rival clubs offer some money, not matching the value but slightly high than the price bought - if dont accept he might leave for free next season - accept - and star player gone.
Repeat.
This post has been edited by rifasha: May 23 2017, 08:14 PM
Sad if sanchez leaving arsenal..fabregas make a problem to leave so i accept wonga decision.. But our wages structure and stingy kroenke not helping to get good players..so kroenke must leave to make wonga spending money again..
suddenly it hits me. i think wenger is staying. the reason he didn't announce is because he is worried it will create a backlash by the fans during the season run in. lol.
and if he is really going, there would have been rumors about new potential manager already. tapi now diam diam only. doesn't sounds good.
To be honest, I don't see a sign of him that tells me, Wenger is leaving....It's only the pressure from the media and fans so far..
oh yeah? how he led Chelsea last seasons? How many times he got sacked in his coaching career?
bringing that matter up will not ease the pain that arsenal has failed and failed and failed and has just failed again this season. in fact this season failed even more horribly. decades with no title, finishing 5th and only team from the top 6 not in CL, . yes mourinho was sacked a few times but not because he is a loser or has gone a decade without winning. bitter or not, like him or hate him one cannot deny he is a winner. come on be matured. his trophies are his prove. and dont come up with here at arsenal we value dignity over trophies. beautify football over trophies. dont lie to yourself. every football fan wishes his team to win. dont make it sound as u are some saint. support arsenal like do charity. dont ask for anything in return. you are kidding yourself n is as delusional as that old man. no wonder the trophy cabinet are smaller than other clubs. manager also loser mindset, the fans also allow and endure and loser with him
note: i am not a man utd fan. not a bpl fan even. just cant stand delusional people. delusional people cant succeed in life
This post has been edited by theprobe: May 25 2017, 11:23 AM
oh yeah? how he led Chelsea last seasons? How many times he got sacked in his coaching career?
this guy is too obsessed with JM ... anyway congrats to MU n it's a good distraction (or excuses) for MU (or JM) in their bid for their EPL bid next season.
hope we take this chance in EPL since we have no european distraction (pls play kids in europa) .
maybe not correct because our latest injuries..but maybe the ox can play..
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Mustafi suffered a blow to the head against Sunderland last Tuesday and, although he completed the game and gave a post-match interview, he later felt ill and was left out against Everton on Sunday.
Laurent Koscielny was sent off in that game and is now suspended, leaving Rob Holding and Per Mertesacker as the only fit and available senior centre-backs.
Mertesacker, though, has not started a first-team game for more than a year. It all means that Nacho Monreal is almost certain to start in a three-man defence with Holding and one from Mustafi and Merteseacker.
Ekceli, kalah menang fa cup also chelsea fans happy
Win = FA Cup Lose = Wenger stays, more komedi entertainment next season
i like how u think ... atleast u have prepared ur excuses if chelsea lost ... anyway hope we can give u guys a good fight in the final - may the best performing team in the finals wins
why must you sokong arsenal only no one force you if you disappointed with araebal, tou can change your team as if it was against the law if you support other team
why must you sokong arsenal only no one force you if you disappointed with araebal, tou can change your team as if it was against the law if you support other team
We shud donate to get this man utd dude a new handphone 😢😭
I think it'll be a back 3 of Mustafi-Per-Rob, mainly because Gibbs is out so need Nacho in LWB
Or, move Ox to LWB and play Bellerin in RWB. He (Bellerin) was running riot on the right hand side in our last match before Kos had moment of craziness, darah naik kepala
why must you sokong arsenal only no one force you if you disappointed with araebal, tou can change your team as if it was against the law if you support other team
everyone is, good to know they at least have some dignity left in them to turn up for a big game. This has not always been the case this season, apart from the great Alexis of course.