Hi all, currently is thinking of getting a used Evo x 2008 which now cost around 130k or getting a inspira 1.8 manual and convert it is better?

A second hand inspira manual can be get around 30k now, if add in the cost of engine and awd system would it be more expensive than an used Evo? Other than that, how much exactly the 4b11t cost? If buy half cut Evo x is roughly how much? Can't seems to find any information on the Internet regarding where to get it in Malaysia.

Hopefully can get some advice from all the sifus here, thanks

4wd conversion is illegal

Really? As I know it's legal to convert to 4b11t but it's illegal to convert to awd, if like that then seems like more dangerous like that.. Too much power for a fwd

If you really die2 want a sport car, just buy a used Evo X. Save hassle. If you plan to convert the whole part, end result might not feel the same too.

My opinion is if you have to ask here, just get the evo.

To get close to Evo X experience, you would need to change
1. Engine
2. Transmission(even just FWD, stock transmission no LSD.) Not sure whether transmission will fit due to additional transfer case.
3. Suspension
4. Brakes
5. Rim and tyres
6. Seats
7. Body is not really similiar, evo is wider, will have to change some body panels or additional welds and it wont be easy.
8. AYC


Installing the 4wd system will not be easy and not legal.

Any Evo X owner can share the maintenance here? Best part is where to service and maintain this legend. Coz, recon always treat as an orphan.

Need to relocate the battery to the boot as well. This is by design to balance the whole car.

This is my biggest concern as well, dunno where is the right place and cost to maintain the beast. After all, it seems better just get a real Evo

Its not hard to maintain the car since parts is abundant. The problem is how fat and deep is your wallet.

just a turbocharged 4 banger..how hard it is to service. Not like its a ferrrari 355 or exotic which require engine out maintenance..

IIanm evo x uses shell v power Right? Or was it Ron 97?. Iiam Pdrm do not use this car frequently since the maintenance bill is quite high.

Both costly fuel with awd as well. Maybe it is better just to get the inspira and mod esthetically?

If the turbocharger and twin clutch gearbox easily to source then not an issue for me. From my experience, stock tune is the best. If you simply mod with third party replacement and push the limit, good luck. Force induction is meant saving fuel and light weight your engine bay and at the same time giving power when you need it.

Indeed, engine wise not much different with normal car but maybe by shorter mileage due to turbocharger (fully synth only though). The tediuos part for evo is to service their transmission system which can be quite costly compare to normal cars. 4 item of transmission care required as follows:

1. SST GB - SSTF (rm600++)
2. Centre Diff - LSD Oil (example price for 2 liter kazz approx. rm200 - can be used for rear Diff also)
3. Rear Diff - LSD Oil
4. ACD & AYC system for Centre and Rear Diff require AYC oil or SP III (normally less then rm100)

The parts only require close to rm1000 for evo X, some reputable workshop really overcharge the labor cost. need to choose wisely.

But this transmission service require for 20k km interval or shorter and it will be cheaper in cost if you opt for manual GB evo due to much2 cheaper normal gear oil.

No matter what, legal or not, a converted Inspira/Lancer will never be as good as an original Evo. So if your target is to own a true performance car, the just buy the real deal, simple and proper. Even better still, buy the Evo IX instead of the X!

The IX is better than the X? Saw many ppl always say it's better to take other Evo than x, may I know why u say so? Is it Becoz the 4g63t has better mod potential?

If you are located in KL PJ, most shops in Sunway can service the car.

Simply because it's still lighter and faster, still the true raw Evo as it's supposed to be, a street legal rally car! 4G63T is also already a well proven over-engineered 4 cyl monster and widely regarded as still the best 4 cyl turbo engine ever made. Oh and IMHO the CT9A generation still looks way much better too, the best looking of all the Evo generation. You just look at the used car prices, Evo IX is still so expensive and actually now still about the same price as the younger X which depreciates much faster.

4g63, ftw.... this beast is easy (not gona say cheap) to jaga here.... and god its a fast car... from the 6.5 all the way to 9, all 4 pretty good.

Yup, it's very tough engine with very strong internals, pretty solid & reliable, just need a bit of care with the HLA.
Actually starting from the IV it's already pretty damn good car touching the supercar borderline with acceleration around 5 sec flat or even a bit under and incredible handling with the AYC introduction.

I not sure how many years ago. My friends told me that the sales person for Inspira asked if he wants to convert his Inspira to Lancer just additional add on RM2k

That is bodykit la.

Are you comfortable to visit the petrol station frequently? A full tank for a slightly tune 4G63gt can only do around 300 - 350KM per full tank. Light footed.

Not just bodykit, like those logo they also can fully change for you. Except the engine of course.

But that is just cosmetics....

Note also that Evo fuel tank capacity is rather too small at only 50ltr, or max 55ltr for later versions of CT9A. So when the fuel warning lights is up, you've consumed 40ltrs, so roughly 7-8km/ltr average if travel 300-350km. But yeah nothing is for free, including power, especially to go so fast like an Evo.

It is still the same

Great powers comes great deep pockets.... hehe.

Slapping on some badge and body kit is the same as n Evo? U r missing the point here.... please read back what TS wants...

not that fast without touching internals.. lul.

Last time when i wanted to buy inspira the sales person told the same story as you bro... They just discounted price just for the body kit but quality is the same.. Proton.

I've heard from some mechanic that you can get a exo x half cut around 15K to 35K but it's very hard to find.

That not including other cost that you will cover such as wiring etc.

Well can still reach 300-400whp with stock internals, no? Even bone stock std car from the factory is already plenty fast enough to humiliate most new cars on the road today, some much more expensive too. Not bad for an over 2 decade old engine.

Ya. Then you will get common dsm problems. Crank walk. Oil pressure. Etc etc... It is just not that reliable after mod.

But anyway. 4g63 engine latai is darn cheap. So blowing a few engines isn't going to hurt your wallet.

280hp stock not fast? Boy, I must have a weak heart... hehe

280 bhp fast? you must be living in 2003

erm.. i think you got it backwards bro... this is one of the engines where you dont have to touch the internals to produce lots of power.... crankwalk and all that stuff is most common on the older blocks, newer ones not so. Basically any car, once you start messing with it becomes less reliable, 4g63's go further than most given similar levekls of reliability. will not say the same about drivability tho haha

and if you compare power, make sure you compare against cars for a similar budget.... there are very few that would do the same

This post has been edited by lsm1991: May 6 2017, 12:19 PM

Sure 280-300HP seems not so big power nowadays when we already see many hypercars in excess of 700hp but tell me how many new cars of today that can do 0-60 in less than 5 secs for the same amount of money and can outgun that car in the twisty roads??

Exactly my point!

4g63's are very simple engines. simple crude heavy reliable closed deck iron block. Was used for so so many years... early 90s to late 00s.... very few engines were used for so many years (with updates ofc), its competitor the ej being one of them (infact the ej is still being used)


owai... basically changing the bodykit + steering results in all the elimination of the proton logos...

fyi the tranny/engine are from mitsu anyway, whats there to change?? the engine cover? yeah maybe just that.

Like the steering logo, outside bodykit proton logo. Rim not sure got include anot. Cox is proton logo rim.

ahh yeah the rims also.... if im gona be honest, i like proton's r3 kit'... looks pretty. lancer looks very simple while the evo kit is just corny... (my 2 senlah ofc haha)

Don't say same amount of money. It's not fair. Evo 9 easily 9 year old. At that time Evo is 200++k.compare to today money,you can easily get a golf r or a45. Which performs similarly if not more powerful. And more refined.

This post has been edited by xemoboyx: May 6 2017, 05:42 PM

ehh cannot compare like that, tech moves forward.... end of the day, almost everything revolves round money...

No, I'm not comparing used price with new price. I'm asking you new price to new price too! How much was Evo IX last time when brand new? Around rm250k if not mistaken. So now tell me what BRAND NEW car of today costing around 250k or less that can outgun the Evo?? Don't tell me A45 AMG coz that is about rm350k brand new, and you can only get recon used 2013 A45AMG below rm250k. Golf R will get smoked by an Evo and it's still more expensive too at around rm280k right? Don't talk about refinement too coz that's not what the Evo is designed to be and that's not the topic of the debate that you implied in your earlier post.

With inflation and all. If Evo is still selling in 2017, it should cost around amg45 price.


There is alot. Just that our market don't have. Focus rs, civic type r, golf r.

Reason why I am saying Evo isn't all that powerful is because if you want a 400+ bhp Evo. You have to upgrade the parts to support it. Over 500+ bhp? Don't even think about it. You will be breaking engines like no body business. Fuel efficiency is another thing. Evo is known to get shit fuel consumption even when cruising

So what's the hype about Evo in 2017? It may be a good car for its era. But it's days are over.

Yup. So Evo is for those 90s kids or wrc fan boys who wanna live their dream. It doesn't make sense to buy Evo now. Especially most of them are cash buy.

As I said, it's is still a properly fast car and STILL not many cars on the similar price range that can match it, even to this day! See, after I asked you, you can only come up with 4 cars and all of those are really2 top of the line for its' kind from each brand. If you say what so special about having 280hp, I expect you can give me TONS of cars that will easily blow away the Evo but in fact you can only give me a measly 4 cars, and 2 of them actually still might not beat the Evo after all?? So despite all the technological advancement or what not, only just a handful of cars can match it, the rest including some that you mentioned will still be left in the dust by a more than a decade old car! Even if you drive the mighty AMG A45, you'd still need big balls of steel with properly good driving skill to outgun a properly driven Evo IX on the road. So yeah don't underestimate the old stuff, some of the old are still gold and still able to make you eat humble pie in your brand new cars.

There are already plenty of 400HP Evos still running in stock internals just with bigger turbos and proper tune. Actually old engines from the late 80s-early 90s were very sturdy and can take much more abuse than the high tech yet fragile engines of today due to cost cutting measures. If 500HP of course will require more things to mods but you're talking about 500 freaking HP already, how many cars have 500HP la! Even 400HP is already crazy fast in a car that size. Anyway earlier you only said 280HP, not 500HP so don't deviate from the subject. You still cannot give me many cars than can match it let alone really beat it.

It all comes back to what you want in a car. If just to go from A to B then just go buy a Proton Iriz or something, no need to buy anything more, isn't it? If you want plush ride, then just buy a Camry and be done with it. However if you want fun raw driving experience with great AWD handling, maybe with potential to build a track car with tons of mod options, then Evos or WRXs fit the bill perfectly. If you have the money also why not? Cheapest Evo VII can already be bought with just rm50-60k, pretty small amount of cash actually. Even for rm90-120k for Evo 8MR or IX, it is also not so much a big deal of cash for those who really can afford performance cars. Of course if you cannot afford then just cannot afford and forget it! Performance cars are not meant for people with average economy in the first place. Only people who understands what these cars are and have the money for will buy them, not people like you who obviously don't understand it.

If wanna talk about fuel consumption for performance cars... better get a Prius.

still would disagree with this. I honestly feel that when one talks about performance vehicles, the evo is still relavant even with its age. I still do not feel that its days are over 'yet'. not trying to pick a bone or anything nor do i own an evo myself But you have to respect it for what it is. its a different car, a more raw car. I dont understand why you are still trying to compare it against a modern performance car using its ORIGINAL price years ago! .

exactly!!

ah hahaha true... so true... performance and fuel efficiency dont really go together. Only thing that can be claimed is that some modern performance oriented cars can be somewhat 'efficient' if you drive it sanely...

well, i said that kind of cars its because thats the car we can buy from showroom. Not many manufacturer making high powered sleepers.

Personally, not a big fan of 4g6 platform. 2jz can tapao it easily, and i don't have to build the engine to make horsepower. Not to mention, parts easily available via halfcut and it is an sturdy engine compared to 4g.

What is the point of an evo when in the market today there is more efficient and powerful car. that"s my argument. Yeah, evo will give you the raw driving feel and 47kg of torque does feel great. but that comes with the cost of fuel and reliability, not to mention, parts needed to bring up an evo to 400+ hp is already close to 5 digit figures. Similar a45 can just stage 1 remap and achieve close to 400 bhp. Price vs performance ratio in 2017 doesn't make sense to own an Evo

It is a different car, of course. you can't find any modern car that can feel and drive like an Evo . Not even the Evo X. that is another piece of crap from MMC.

For it to be relevant in 2017,some money have to be dump in, ecu, tuning, changing turbo, injector.. etc. After doing all of that, you can boast your Evo have 4xx HP but in reality you have spend god know how much on the accessories alone. All just to beat modern sports hatch, Finally your Evo becomes a weekend car, because fuel is too expensive and it isn't as driviable as stock setup. So, what's the point of owning an 4 door car which can't be used daily?

Thats why i said, if you are an enthusiast of Evolution series, only you will buy it. if not, whats the point of all that hassle.

Btw, of course i am making this comparison using its original car price years ago. If we were to get 1 today. It would be cash money. Take that cash money, we can also downpayment for a sports sedan/hatch. So.. ? whats the difference

AWD is illegal if need to cut the chassis like old Galant or Lancer. But newer Mitsubishi can swap the AWD and bolt on directly. But, if road block, chances of sita still very high unless u can do full Mitsubishi conversion to mask it.

Anyway, the performance of converted Evo X won't be as good as the original.

Aiyo dude, why now you brought up 2JZ?? C'mon la, that is a 3ltr 6cyl twin turbo, supposed to fight with RB26TT, so of course the small 4G63T 4 cyl single turbo cannot make as much power! Compare apple to apple la. You haven't been able to come up with a proper argument and now just keep trying to wiggle yourself out of the debate by deviating again to another engine which is not in the first place suppose to compete with the 4G63T and not relevant to the topic in this tread at all. Also there are tons of half cut parts available for the 4G63T if you want to argue about parts availability, maybe its you who just don't know how or where to get them.

If you compare with A45, yes of course that is another amazingly fast car but it's a Merc AMG for God's sake! We all should expect the mighty Merc AMG to make such amazing cars in the first place right? And it has to take the mighty AMG to beat over a decade old Evo??? Again don't tell me about FC, that's not the topic of the debate in the first place and even the A45 has horrendous FC if you start to play with it. And to beat other hot hatches of today, the Evo does NOT need to be tuned to 400HP. As I've been challenging you, give me cars which can beat Evo in pure stock form only in the similar price range or cheaper (remember you said 280HP is old 2003 stuff?), so no need to talk all that 400HP la, 2JZ la, stage 1 tune la, FC la, or what ever. Oh btw, that 280HP rating is mostly fake anyway to try comply with the Japanese agreement to limit power output rating to 280HP, you know that right?

If you want to talk about costs of having an Evo today, then you should not brought up the point of the price of the new Evo back then also! Then just stick with its used price of today from rm50k-120k. So what 2ltr engined car in rm120k or less, used or new, that can outgun and out handle the Evo in stock form on the road today?? I give you WRX to closely match it but you also had a dig at it, so what else eh?? I'm not holding my breath until you come up with the answer, that's for sure.

Btw who said Evo cannot be used daily? Maybe you cannot afford to use it daily but many people who can afford it (and can handle it) have done so. There are even ladies who drive them daily. Like I said above you just don't get it, simple as that really.

Can afford doesn't mean it is cost efficient. Sometimes spend money also have to use abit logic.

Yes. Evo alot of halfcut parts . but where u wanna find forged piston halfcut? Forged connecting rods? With a 2jz.you can simply just plonk in back standard item and boost happily.


U say compare to new car cannot. So i compare to car with 2jz chassis. What's the difference? If cash price around there also can get car with 2jz.120k is alot of money for a used sports car. Don't have to get evolution if you are not a fan boy.

erm... bolded bit isnt actually true.... it will boost happily but how long.... 2j and the 4g63 (later models) in many ways are actually very similar in terms of strength, just one ia a 3L 6 cylinder while the other is a 2l 4 cylinder.... its just got the cc advantage....

if you talk about costs, then the 2j would cost also a third more at least.

Errr, the difference is 3ltr 6 cyl TT vs 2ltr 4 cyl single turbo! It's like putting a light-heavy weight vs a true heavy weight fighter, still cannot see the difference? Anyway 2Jz Supras are also now super rare and expensive, so are you saying buying and modding such Supras is more logical and more cost efficient? People who buy Evos, WRXs, Type-Rs, RX7s, Supras, GTRs all have their unique strong reasons which are most likely not aligned with most common people who buys ordinary cars, so you want to call those people also fanboys?? Can I call you a Supra or whatever fan boy too?

Anyway as I said, I'm not asking you about all those. In response to your '280HP-for-2003' dig, I just asked you a simple question what cars can beat the Evo in the same price range or cheaper now in 2017. You want to play as if comparing new-to-new price then can, or you want to play in the current used price then be it. All as long as it's apple to apple comparison too, not a light-heavy weight vs a heavy weight. But you keep deviating left and right all over the place with that 2Jz nonsense because you simply don't have an answer except the AMG A45 plus another 3 hot hatches which may or may not even beat it anyway. Again in summary, the only reason why you made your comments is because you just simply tried to have a quick arrogant dig at it without thinking while actually you just don't get it in the first place and will never get it also. So let's just leave it at that.

i think get a manual inspira and transplant ralliart engine 4b11t with around 280 hp + 5 speed manual and upgrade on suspension and etc is good enough. you do the math.

iirc the rallyart has less power, 237hp (on paper, might be wrong tho)

Actually this came to my mind to.

I research quite a lot, I would like to share with you if you want to know.

Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0 CVT

1. 12K visited Speedworks, but not reliable CVT can't support even 0.7 cant produce over 200bhp, CVT gone someday.
2. Manual gear box 12k-15k BOT, can product 230bhp with after market products. ( but I hates manual so I didn't go for it. )
3. Full conversion EVO X 4B11T SST. ( Which may faster than the original one due to weight is lower ( 3,084 lb vs 3527 ).

But all of this above, you need a very experience and reliable foreman.
If not, your car gonna sit at garage everyday and you can't even drive.

Added 1 more, your car very hard to sell in future.

Hope this help you TS.

we had one ....

eh cant view video, but whats the stock figs like? the rallyart model should come with a smaller turbo, some slight diferences here n there and maybe ecu? again, not sure tho

Ralliart -> td04 -> sst only -> 237bhp - 4wd AYC
Evo -> td05 -> sst / 5mt -> 280 bhp. - 4wd S-AWC

the one we build is a Inspira with Ralliart engine mated with inspira ori manual gearbox (Front wheel drive only).
tuned to 275 bhp .

commnet -> not drivable .. lolz


if u are interested to go more detail ... written by one of the lowyat fella :

Inspira Ralliart

This post has been edited by K3nnYkl82: May 8 2017, 12:17 PM

Youtube embed fixed



Needs a new speedo

This post has been edited by dares: May 8 2017, 12:21 PM

I beg to differ and yes you may get more horsie with transplanted engine and gb which may or may not even churn out 280hp which is the given figure on stock evo but the main concern is can the inspira chassis take the beat from the transplanted engine? Even if one can somehow managed to reinforce the chassis but again at what cost? lol. Can the reinforced chassis take the beat? Anyone can come out with the detailed calculation verifying that? End of story, just get an original evo for peace of mind rather than pay more and put your life at risk.

This post has been edited by kirakun: May 8 2017, 12:20 PM

he using evo x speedo d (that one old video) .. 300km/h
but in theory the ratio max out at around 257 or 260km/h already .. cant remember.. that is 7500 rpm

why not drivable?
if you meant it as a reply when i said not drivable earlier.... i meant those more hardcore modified ones, much higher horse power applications.... maybe 400 and upwards, honestly quite difficult to drive, clutch either makan or no makan, and the cams idle macam nak mampus.

not drivable for me..
most of the kaki are kaki conner.. connering wise not a good car...
if all that matters is TOP speed ... acceleration .. yes.. its very fast ..

slow down .. enter conner.. u floor like 20% of the throttle the car will start to go understeer d.. active stability control comes kickin in already (the car is retrofitted with lancer ASC as well) ..

for me it have to be balance to be fun. this is like u have to know what you doing when u connering.. a slight step more on the throttle u will be kissing the wall.

Use better tyres, good suspension tuning and thicker rear roll bar can't solve this? I saw ralliart at mudah sometime back selling about 25k. Curious how much this inspira spent just for engine transplant.

not on a 2wd . that car is on custom tune suspension ..
consider very good tires.. but when the boost comes.. a 2wd just was not the way meant to tame the power..
next option is LSD but the manual gearbox lsd cost 5k min....

in the other hand we have a fren converted fully ralliart (4wd) ... Illegal... that one can take the power and with all those proper stuff in place.. yes... but not a 2wd front wheel drive with open diff at 275bhp..

Interesting. I've watched few video honda(eg or ek) with k20 around 250-280Hp can run very well in corner. Could be torque not so powerful like turbo car or contribution double wishbones + good suspension setup.

those comes with LSD ..
and i did mention .. have to be very focus.. u need to know what the shit u doing when connering..
its not as easy to handle . further more on an open differencial with massive torque... dyno chart short 33-35 kg

not forgeting NA power band are much more linear compare to turbo.

This post has been edited by K3nnYkl82: May 8 2017, 02:49 PM

u are talking NA, mean low torque high power, and then LSD vs open diff high torque FF car

Hi all, where can i get evo x half cut? My area KL or PJ, roughly how much to convert?