No matter what, legal or not, a converted Inspira/Lancer will never be as good as an original Evo. So if your target is to own a true performance car, the just buy the real deal, simple and proper. Even better still, buy the Evo IX instead of the X!

Simply because it's still lighter and faster, still the true raw Evo as it's supposed to be, a street legal rally car! 4G63T is also already a well proven over-engineered 4 cyl monster and widely regarded as still the best 4 cyl turbo engine ever made. Oh and IMHO the CT9A generation still looks way much better too, the best looking of all the Evo generation. You just look at the used car prices, Evo IX is still so expensive and actually now still about the same price as the younger X which depreciates much faster.

Yup, it's very tough engine with very strong internals, pretty solid & reliable, just need a bit of care with the HLA.
Actually starting from the IV it's already pretty damn good car touching the supercar borderline with acceleration around 5 sec flat or even a bit under and incredible handling with the AYC introduction.

Note also that Evo fuel tank capacity is rather too small at only 50ltr, or max 55ltr for later versions of CT9A. So when the fuel warning lights is up, you've consumed 40ltrs, so roughly 7-8km/ltr average if travel 300-350km. But yeah nothing is for free, including power, especially to go so fast like an Evo.

Well can still reach 300-400whp with stock internals, no? Even bone stock std car from the factory is already plenty fast enough to humiliate most new cars on the road today, some much more expensive too. Not bad for an over 2 decade old engine.

Sure 280-300HP seems not so big power nowadays when we already see many hypercars in excess of 700hp but tell me how many new cars of today that can do 0-60 in less than 5 secs for the same amount of money and can outgun that car in the twisty roads??

Exactly my point!

No, I'm not comparing used price with new price. I'm asking you new price to new price too! How much was Evo IX last time when brand new? Around rm250k if not mistaken. So now tell me what BRAND NEW car of today costing around 250k or less that can outgun the Evo?? Don't tell me A45 AMG coz that is about rm350k brand new, and you can only get recon used 2013 A45AMG below rm250k. Golf R will get smoked by an Evo and it's still more expensive too at around rm280k right? Don't talk about refinement too coz that's not what the Evo is designed to be and that's not the topic of the debate that you implied in your earlier post.

As I said, it's is still a properly fast car and STILL not many cars on the similar price range that can match it, even to this day! See, after I asked you, you can only come up with 4 cars and all of those are really2 top of the line for its' kind from each brand. If you say what so special about having 280hp, I expect you can give me TONS of cars that will easily blow away the Evo but in fact you can only give me a measly 4 cars, and 2 of them actually still might not beat the Evo after all?? So despite all the technological advancement or what not, only just a handful of cars can match it, the rest including some that you mentioned will still be left in the dust by a more than a decade old car! Even if you drive the mighty AMG A45, you'd still need big balls of steel with properly good driving skill to outgun a properly driven Evo IX on the road. So yeah don't underestimate the old stuff, some of the old are still gold and still able to make you eat humble pie in your brand new cars.

There are already plenty of 400HP Evos still running in stock internals just with bigger turbos and proper tune. Actually old engines from the late 80s-early 90s were very sturdy and can take much more abuse than the high tech yet fragile engines of today due to cost cutting measures. If 500HP of course will require more things to mods but you're talking about 500 freaking HP already, how many cars have 500HP la! Even 400HP is already crazy fast in a car that size. Anyway earlier you only said 280HP, not 500HP so don't deviate from the subject. You still cannot give me many cars than can match it let alone really beat it.

It all comes back to what you want in a car. If just to go from A to B then just go buy a Proton Iriz or something, no need to buy anything more, isn't it? If you want plush ride, then just buy a Camry and be done with it. However if you want fun raw driving experience with great AWD handling, maybe with potential to build a track car with tons of mod options, then Evos or WRXs fit the bill perfectly. If you have the money also why not? Cheapest Evo VII can already be bought with just rm50-60k, pretty small amount of cash actually. Even for rm90-120k for Evo 8MR or IX, it is also not so much a big deal of cash for those who really can afford performance cars. Of course if you cannot afford then just cannot afford and forget it! Performance cars are not meant for people with average economy in the first place. Only people who understands what these cars are and have the money for will buy them, not people like you who obviously don't understand it.

Aiyo dude, why now you brought up 2JZ?? C'mon la, that is a 3ltr 6cyl twin turbo, supposed to fight with RB26TT, so of course the small 4G63T 4 cyl single turbo cannot make as much power! Compare apple to apple la. You haven't been able to come up with a proper argument and now just keep trying to wiggle yourself out of the debate by deviating again to another engine which is not in the first place suppose to compete with the 4G63T and not relevant to the topic in this tread at all. Also there are tons of half cut parts available for the 4G63T if you want to argue about parts availability, maybe its you who just don't know how or where to get them.

If you compare with A45, yes of course that is another amazingly fast car but it's a Merc AMG for God's sake! We all should expect the mighty Merc AMG to make such amazing cars in the first place right? And it has to take the mighty AMG to beat over a decade old Evo??? Again don't tell me about FC, that's not the topic of the debate in the first place and even the A45 has horrendous FC if you start to play with it. And to beat other hot hatches of today, the Evo does NOT need to be tuned to 400HP. As I've been challenging you, give me cars which can beat Evo in pure stock form only in the similar price range or cheaper (remember you said 280HP is old 2003 stuff?), so no need to talk all that 400HP la, 2JZ la, stage 1 tune la, FC la, or what ever. Oh btw, that 280HP rating is mostly fake anyway to try comply with the Japanese agreement to limit power output rating to 280HP, you know that right?

If you want to talk about costs of having an Evo today, then you should not brought up the point of the price of the new Evo back then also! Then just stick with its used price of today from rm50k-120k. So what 2ltr engined car in rm120k or less, used or new, that can outgun and out handle the Evo in stock form on the road today?? I give you WRX to closely match it but you also had a dig at it, so what else eh?? I'm not holding my breath until you come up with the answer, that's for sure.

Btw who said Evo cannot be used daily? Maybe you cannot afford to use it daily but many people who can afford it (and can handle it) have done so. There are even ladies who drive them daily. Like I said above you just don't get it, simple as that really.

Errr, the difference is 3ltr 6 cyl TT vs 2ltr 4 cyl single turbo! It's like putting a light-heavy weight vs a true heavy weight fighter, still cannot see the difference? Anyway 2Jz Supras are also now super rare and expensive, so are you saying buying and modding such Supras is more logical and more cost efficient? People who buy Evos, WRXs, Type-Rs, RX7s, Supras, GTRs all have their unique strong reasons which are most likely not aligned with most common people who buys ordinary cars, so you want to call those people also fanboys?? Can I call you a Supra or whatever fan boy too?

Anyway as I said, I'm not asking you about all those. In response to your '280HP-for-2003' dig, I just asked you a simple question what cars can beat the Evo in the same price range or cheaper now in 2017. You want to play as if comparing new-to-new price then can, or you want to play in the current used price then be it. All as long as it's apple to apple comparison too, not a light-heavy weight vs a heavy weight. But you keep deviating left and right all over the place with that 2Jz nonsense because you simply don't have an answer except the AMG A45 plus another 3 hot hatches which may or may not even beat it anyway. Again in summary, the only reason why you made your comments is because you just simply tried to have a quick arrogant dig at it without thinking while actually you just don't get it in the first place and will never get it also. So let's just leave it at that.