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 Would you spend over 60% of your income?, For home loan

Would you spend over 60% of your income for home loan?
 
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post Apr 12 2017, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Apr 12 2017, 10:53 PM)
Yea, still manageable. Still got roughly 2.5 years ahead before paying full amount right? I opt for 100% full installment payment straight away. Sakit..
Spent on mortgage?
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Im so sad when I read this post, people can ask whether spend 60% of their income on property, with my income right now, i dont even have the allocation for it. Need to find better job and side income.

For TS question, if you could afford it, why not, it's a good investment.
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post Apr 12 2017, 11:01 PM

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Mine 43% housing loan + 11% car loan
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Apr 12 2017, 09:51 PM)
Haha, you must be earning 20k to qualify for that!  icon_rolleyes.gif
Another top earner! Haha.. But I cant imagine that, surely very love and clingy to your job. tongue.gif
Depends on the total net income, haha. Bank got their bracket I think, if above 20k can loan up to 90%.
True, Thanks sifu for clarifying. I should have asked more specifically. To qualify for 60% and above, I think net income need to be at least 5k and above.. correct me if I am wrong.
I totally agree on this. Too relax-ed when you are young, sure tough life awaits when you grow older, when you have more commitments creeping in. Wife, kids, insurance, parents, etc.
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post Apr 12 2017, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Apr 12 2017, 08:22 PM)
As per title, just for the purpose of discussion.

Would you, or are you spending more than 60% of your net income for home loan, and why?

How much would your ideal % of income be tucked away for home loan?

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Very simple question but yet, has stir up quite some contrasting views and opinions. For me, yes, technically on paper, I’ve more than 70% of my nett employment income for home loan. But at the same time, from this 60% that goes to home loan, I do get back a fair amount of money from the rental generated. The 60% is also spread out among few home loans (few properties).

If I were to consider rental income as part of my total income, then the figure drops to about 50%.
Why am I leveraging so much? Isn’t 70% dangerous one might ask? Well, I would still consider myself young (early 30’s) and about to start a family. Rather take the risk (meticulously calculated risk), and hopefully make it big through properties than regretting later in life. So far, things are good. My only worry moving forward is not about having insufficient properties, but rather not being able to further increase this DSR figure of mine which is currently at the 70% level. I have not done the detailed calculations yet, but with a 20% pay rise, I am hoping that I can further push this 70%++ figure to 80%.

Noticed that another forummer commented on this thread and told you to close the thread as the topic is irrelevant. The DSR can also be googled up easily. Not sure what is his/her level of involvement or experience in property investment but it pretty much shows that he doesn’t have it both. For seasoned investor who have an impressive portfolio (and also very deep pockets), DSR can go easily cross 60% and way more than that. I’ve known of individuals who have breached the 100% mark. Imagine an individual having a nett worth of RM20mil (properties, securities, cash), borrowing a RM3mil home loan but with a monthly repayment that will clock his/her DSR at 100%. With the right and relevant supporting documents, chances of the home loan getting approved is very high. Of course, this policy differs from bank to bank. Each financial institution have their own risk appetite and evaluate opportunities differently.

Anyway, good luck in your investment journey!

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post Apr 12 2017, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Apr 12 2017, 11:19 PM)
Very simple question but yet, has stir up quite some contrasting views and opinions. For me, yes, technically on paper, I’ve more than 70% of my nett employment income for home loan. But at the same time, from this 60% that goes to home loan, I do get back a fair amount of money from the rental generated. The 60% is also spread out among few home loans (few properties).

If I were to consider rental income as part of my total income, then the figure drops to about 50%.
Why am I leveraging so much? Isn’t 70% dangerous one might ask? Well, I would still consider myself young (early 30’s) and about to start a family. Rather take the risk (meticulously calculated risk), and hopefully make it big through properties than regretting later in life. So far, things are good. My only worry moving forward is not about having insufficient properties, but rather not being able to further increase this DSR figure of mine which is currently at the 70% level. I have not done the detailed calculations yet, but with a 20% pay rise, I am hoping that I can further push this 70%++ figure to 80%.

Noticed that another forummer commented on this thread and told you to close the thread as the topic is irrelevant. The DSR can also be googled up easily. Not sure what is his/her level of involvement or experience in property investment but it pretty much shows that he doesn’t have it both. For seasoned investor who have an impressive portfolio (and also very deep pockets), DSR can go easily cross 60% and way more than that. I’ve known of individuals who have breached the 100% mark. Imagine an individual having a nett worth of RM20mil (properties, securities, cash), borrowing a RM3mil home loan but with a monthly repayment that will clock his/her DSR at 100%. With the right and relevant supporting documents, chances of the home loan getting approved is very high. Of course, this policy differs from bank to bank. Each financial institution have their own risk appetite and evaluate opportunities differently.

Anyway, good luck in your investment journey!
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post Apr 12 2017, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Apr 12 2017, 11:19 PM)
Very simple question but yet, has stir up quite some contrasting views and opinions. For me, yes, technically on paper, I’ve more than 70% of my nett employment income for home loan. But at the same time, from this 60% that goes to home loan, I do get back a fair amount of money from the rental generated. The 60% is also spread out among few home loans (few properties).

If I were to consider rental income as part of my total income, then the figure drops to about 50%.
Why am I leveraging so much? Isn’t 70% dangerous one might ask? Well, I would still consider myself young (early 30’s) and about to start a family. Rather take the risk (meticulously calculated risk), and hopefully make it big through properties than regretting later in life. So far, things are good. My only worry moving forward is not about having insufficient properties, but rather not being able to further increase this DSR figure of mine which is currently at the 70% level. I have not done the detailed calculations yet, but with a 20% pay rise, I am hoping that I can further push this 70%++ figure to 80%.

Noticed that another forummer commented on this thread and told you to close the thread as the topic is irrelevant. The DSR can also be googled up easily. Not sure what is his/her level of involvement or experience in property investment but it pretty much shows that he doesn’t have it both. For seasoned investor who have an impressive portfolio (and also very deep pockets), DSR can go easily cross 60% and way more than that. I’ve known of individuals who have breached the 100% mark. Imagine an individual having a nett worth of RM20mil (properties, securities, cash), borrowing a RM3mil home loan but with a monthly repayment that will clock his/her DSR at 100%. With the right and relevant supporting documents, chances of the home loan getting approved is very high. Of course, this policy differs from bank to bank. Each financial institution have their own risk appetite and evaluate opportunities differently.

Anyway, good luck in your investment journey!
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Thank you very much Sifu for your words of encouragement and constructive comment. smile.gif
Really exciting journey ahead awaits, lots of homeworks need to be done, and assess on risks as well. I've decided to put 60% of net income into mortgage, I'd rather take the calculated risk, than regret later too.
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post Apr 12 2017, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(akemwarhead @ Apr 12 2017, 11:00 PM)
Im so sad when I read this post, people can ask whether  spend 60% of their income on property, with my income right now, i dont even have the allocation for it. Need to find better job and side income.

For TS question, if you could afford it, why not, it's a good investment.
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Don't worry, you will find you way there one day bro. Abit of luck and hard work, keep finding! smile.gif Patience is important. Channel your energy into good use
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post Apr 13 2017, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(akemwarhead @ Apr 12 2017, 11:00 PM)
Im so sad when I read this post, people can ask whether  spend 60% of their income on property, with my income right now, i dont even have the allocation for it. Need to find better job and side income.

For TS question, if you could afford it, why not, it's a good investment.
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How one looks at it depends very much on the situation that they are in. If part of the money goes to supporting the family, a small chunk to insurance, a fair bit goes to charity bodies and some to servicing education loans, then the actual scenario isn't so bad after all.

Rather decent I would say.
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post Apr 13 2017, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Apr 12 2017, 09:39 PM)
imno,
everyone have to anticipate adverse future such as retrenchment, losing ability to work (touch wood) and etc.
don't say 60%, 50% also considered risky as putting own-self in the edge of cliff already; especially in current malai bole land economy/market which is bleak like Death Metal music.
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post Apr 13 2017, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Apr 12 2017, 11:19 PM)
Very simple question but yet, has stir up quite some contrasting views and opinions. For me, yes, technically on paper, I’ve more than 70% of my nett employment income for home loan. But at the same time, from this 60% that goes to home loan, I do get back a fair amount of money from the rental generated. The 60% is also spread out among few home loans (few properties).

If I were to consider rental income as part of my total income, then the figure drops to about 50%.
Why am I leveraging so much? Isn’t 70% dangerous one might ask? Well, I would still consider myself young (early 30’s) and about to start a family. Rather take the risk (meticulously calculated risk), and hopefully make it big through properties than regretting later in life. So far, things are good. My only worry moving forward is not about having insufficient properties, but rather not being able to further increase this DSR figure of mine which is currently at the 70% level. I have not done the detailed calculations yet, but with a 20% pay rise, I am hoping that I can further push this 70%++ figure to 80%.

Noticed that another forummer commented on this thread and told you to close the thread as the topic is irrelevant. The DSR can also be googled up easily. Not sure what is his/her level of involvement or experience in property investment but it pretty much shows that he doesn’t have it both. For seasoned investor who have an impressive portfolio (and also very deep pockets), DSR can go easily cross 60% and way more than that. I’ve known of individuals who have breached the 100% mark. Imagine an individual having a nett worth of RM20mil (properties, securities, cash), borrowing a RM3mil home loan but with a monthly repayment that will clock his/her DSR at 100%. With the right and relevant supporting documents, chances of the home loan getting approved is very high. Of course, this policy differs from bank to bank. Each financial institution have their own risk appetite and evaluate opportunities differently.

Anyway, good luck in your investment journey!
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nice sharing bro, like ManU says u no sked the fella report you and close this forum ka? sometime there is a few of those stars alot alot punya and like to showoff i dont understand why. @@
on a side note this is a very beautiful insight!
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post Apr 13 2017, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(planc @ Apr 12 2017, 09:41 PM)
What if monthly income RM3000 but have FD 500k and use the interest to pay housing loan? icon_idea.gif
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U will be assessed under net worth category
Probably the bank will need tou to pledge fd against the housing loan.
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QUOTE(Tankimher @ Apr 12 2017, 09:46 PM)
Don't talk cock laaaaa monthly income 3k FD 500k zzzz
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post Apr 13 2017, 12:43 AM

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Elevated dsr is vulnerable to bank interest rate rise. In some countries, dsr of over 30% is considered​ stressed and over 50% is suicidal.

For DSR calculation, should include other regular income else it is not logical to have over 100% DSR.


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post Apr 13 2017, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Apr 13 2017, 12:29 AM)
U will be assessed under net worth category
Probably the bank will need tou to pledge fd against the housing loan.
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Yea. But my banker friend also said nowadays FD means nothing..They will not take it into consideration when approving loan, cuz you can run anytime with FD. Unless you put big downpayment?
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Apr 13 2017, 09:16 AM)
Yea. But my banker friend also said nowadays FD means nothing..They will not take it into consideration when approving loan, cuz you can run anytime with FD. Unless you put big downpayment?
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Bank could tell borrower to pledge FD as collateral.

According to bnm, only about 6% of people have saving to support over 6 months of living expenses mean only a minority have substantial FD.


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used to be 60% two years ago.... now already gone way below that.... so its either you improve your income or you dont get one.... especially nowadays millennial salary vs house price...
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 13 2017, 09:32 AM)
Bank could tell borrower to pledge FD as collateral.

According to bnm, only about 6% of people have saving to support over 6 months of living expenses mean only a minority have substantial FD.
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I see. Btw just wondering, when they say 6 months of living expenses savings, they mean 6 months of savings equivalent to 6 months of income right?

QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Apr 13 2017, 09:33 AM)
used to be 60% two years ago.... now already gone way below that.... so its either you improve your income or you dont get one.... especially nowadays millennial salary vs house price...
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Yea, imagine the way forward, salary will stagnant, and price of houses go way up. 10 years ago, and today, the basic salary hasnt really changed much.
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QUOTE(Michaelbyz23 @ Apr 13 2017, 09:56 AM)
I see. Btw just wondering, when they say 6 months of living expenses savings, they mean 6 months of savings equivalent to 6 months of income right?
Yea, imagine the way forward, salary will stagnant, and price of houses go way up. 10 years ago, and today, the basic salary hasnt really changed much.
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salary may stagnant... but u have to work harder now... compare to last time when one job able to get you house and car and still can spend on life... but then most of the millennials now... YOLO all the way... so they wont work anything more than they think the should... just 9-6pm work... and done... YOLO all the way.... for those with family is understandable... thats why must work super hard before u have a family of your own....

generally for me now is that i must have 6 months worth of my monthly income now.... lets say now u having 5k nett per mth... make sure u have 30k savings in your bank acc at least...

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Apr 13 2017, 10:22 AM)
salary may stagnant... but u have to work harder now... compare to last time when one job able to get you house and car and still can spend on life... but then most of the millennials now... YOLO all the way... so they wont work anything more than they think the should... just 9-6pm work... and done... YOLO all the way.... for those with family is understandable... thats why must work super hard before u have a family of your own....

generally for me now is that i must have 6 months worth of my monthly income now.... lets say now u having 5k nett per mth... make sure u have 30k savings in your bank acc at least...
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Uptown punya boss sudah spoken.

Problem is people always buy into hype believing it's a good investment while they themselves did not take the effort to study the idea of the project or etc.

Later when VP time kenot flip, then emo Liao. Cash flow stuck on a stagnant piece of property.

Time to earn more.

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