Those tests were done by people who has the proper skill and equipment to evaluate tires, not just some random blokes who do not have much idea, experience nor the necessary driving skill to compare and evaluate. You see, people can say they just drive normally but when on emergency situations or even in heavy rain downpour which often happens in Malaysia, you WILL be forced to extract the limit of the tires, hence if you use shit tires like this then you can guess yourself the chances that you will have (especially this tire since it's already mentioned that it's very unstable in wet conditions with very weak aquaplaning resistance!). Tires is also the easiest and the most improvement that you can make to your car's handling behavior or vice versa, so the crappier the tires the worse the car handling will be so ask yourself, do you really want to purposely worsen the handling capability of your car just to save a few bucks? Do you want to risk yourself in heavy rain condition by using this shit tire? But anyway suite yourself, we can only recommend what we think it's the best for your safety and the safety of others as well but the risk is on your own. What size are you using btw??

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: Mar 2 2018, 12:59 PM

On what car are these?? See, if you cannot afford properly good tires for your rim size, don't use such big rims in the first place! Use big rims for what, showing off only?? Even if you think the width provide extra grip but in fact better tires at smaller sizes may still outperform shit wide tires at the limit, especially their controllability. Note also wider tires will be easier to aquaplane, hence now you're thinking to use tires which is already noted as having shit aquaplaning resistance too at such wide sizes, so go figure how they will perform in the wet! Actually IMHO shit tires like this is only suitable for people who has mad driving skills with lighting reflexes and very high sensitivity to sense the tires at the limit, in other words a professional/race driver. Normal drivers like us need better tires to compensate for our normal driving skill to keep us safer. So unless you're a pro driver, better avoid shit tires like this!

Still pro drivers do have more skill than average drivers, no denying there so when they are faced with emergency situations they have better reaction and response on how to control the car, for example handling the car in a skid or emergency braking. Then there's the level of mentality, pro drivers will be calmer in such situations as they have experienced it many times before, while average drivers tend to panic and react often wrongly. They are also more sensitive on how the car behaves especially approaching and past the limit as they have done it countless times. So yeah, even in normal roads their skill and experience will still give them advantage to handle critical situations.

Normal people who review cannot be taken too seriously because as I said most likely they don't have the skill and the equipment to do a proper assessment, and their experience with various different tires are still comparatively much more limited to the pro reviewers. It's like if you're used to using a low end/slow phone/computer, then when asked about another slow laggy computer then you will say it's still not bad, but if you already tried the good ones then now you know how crappy the crap ones are! Same with cars & tires, if you haven't tried good tires, then you may not have the idea how good it should be, so the shit one you think are still ok.

Shops of course will speak good things la, they will try to sell to make money what! So you want to believe everything shops tell you? We as customers must be smarter than that!

I personally would not try crap tires like that, coz I value myself better than just the price difference of such cheapo tires vs the good ones. I also enjoy driving and having decent handling or at least to maximize the handling capability of my car, so no I would not risk worsening it! I actually had tried low end cheaper tires before even though not as cheap as this Landsail, for example a low/mid range model of GT Radial, low end models of Goodyear/Bridgestone/Continental and even those were already shit! So trying even lower ones like this Landsail or other China tires?? Thanks, but no thanks!

Anyway it's up to you, none of my business coz it's your money, your car, your life. I just give recommendation based on what I think is the best way, up to everyone to take or not, I don't really care actually.

Who says I'm heated up? I'm as calm as ice here and I keep smiling right?

As I said, if shops, no matter what they only think about profit! Of course they will say good things about products that they carry ma! Where got shops who have some products and then tell you they are shit???

People in BMW club can be anybody, who knows what! The only thing sure about these people are they definitely have money but that doesn't say anything about how good they are when comes to evaluating tires properly. Reputable media on the other hand do have such experience as they have done it many times over. So who do you trust, a nobody just because they own BMW or belonging in some BMW clubs, or people who really know what they are doing and even actually live by doing such reports??? Common sense should prevail there.

As for myself, as I said I have tried lower end tires before which are still more reputable than this Landsail and yet they're already shit, why on earth should I go even lower to try even shittier ones??? It's like you already tried some crappy food and yet you want to try those even lesser ones just for the sake of trying?? C'mon dude, again common sense shall prevail!

Anyway I think you've made up your mind so no matter what anybody said here, it will never change your mind coz you just want to buy cheapo tires, either because you're a cheap skate or you just really cannot afford properly good tires since you've gone with too big rims without thinking of the consequences! (You know better which one are you). So I'm not gonna waste more time trying to convince you otherwise as it's also none of my business, so help yourself.

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: Mar 2 2018, 07:04 PM

Naah I know the type of people like you dude, all show but no go kind of people, buy big bling2 rims just for show but then be a cheapskate on tires. I've seen too many like you, so typical gaya only people and lacking common sense. Anyway as I said, I'm not going to convince you otherwise and definitely you've made up your mind even before you ask, so no point asking really. Have a good day.

Yeah quite obvious to tell who has common sense, and who has style only but no substance la! As I said you can try any shit you want, have fun!

Hahaha whatever dude. I never claimed I'm no average Joe and what's wrong with driving a Honda?? (Even though I don't). At least I'm an average Joe who still has common sense unlike some show off guy with big ass rims but cheapskate on tires ya. And now your dumb ass mouth also want to insult Honda owners here?? Do you know Honda also makes expensive cars like the NSX which I'm pretty sure will humiliate whatever you drive now especially with that Landsail that you're planning to get?? You're a joke dude, like I said typical of people with show off mentality without substance. I can imagine guys like you be so proud like "look I got this nice big ass rims on my nice big ass car and what do you drive, a Honda??" but yet you're using cheapo China crap tires??? You're funny dude, really!

Yadayadayadaya, blablabla...I have a lot more respect to people who drive humble Honda/Toyota or whatever but understand the importance of tires and have common sense to use properly good and safe ones rather than shallow show off people like you who use big bling2 rims (probably fake ones too) but be a cheapskate on tires! You're a dime in a dozen dude, fake people aplenty. You just go brag to your friends about your big bling2 rims on your big ass car with that China tires ya. I don't want to waste anymore time with you so yeah, bye2!

Blablabla yadayadaya

Don't bother bro, I initially intended to recommend those value for money tires but I can already see right thru him what type of person he belongs to as I've seen plenty of people like this, so I see no point. .

Before you imply anything, answer these questions first:
- One asked if to use some China low end tires, then another person advise in a normal manner by giving a relevant reference link by a European media reviewer that says that tire is no good. Is the advisor being a 'smart ass' here?? Read the real first response of the person who advised in this case ya.
- Now despite such input, the person asking still basically say he doesn't believe and would want to try himself still. So basically ignoring/neglecting what has been advised to him despite him asking the advise to begin with. He even went as far as trying to defend by saying some random people from some club say it's good. Now who is the 'smart ass' now??

I suggest if you don't bother to really read in detail or think about it, just keep your nose clean and don't brown it up by sticking it up some random guy back side.
Have a good day!

Exactly!

Hahaha, the exact same question I had asked too!

1st question is why using such big rims in the first place right?
2nd question, even using CC5 which has relatively high tread wear rating and supposed to easily last over 50k km, he admitted that he worn them off yearly, how come? Does he travel like taxi drivers, covering over 50 or even 60k km/year?

As I said to you before, I can already read thru this kind of person easily.

good comment! But who knows maybe in hindsight this person is indeed a female!? (Even though I highly doubt it!).

He said using 265/35/18 and 235/40/18, so some big wide rims surely (minimum staggered 8/9jj width). Not sure what car as he doesn't want to tell, probably some big car also coz can use such wide rims, must be big and expensive enough to belittle those who drive any Honda too.

Yeah man, go figure, and now he/she got some other busy body kissing his/her ass too!
Sigh got many weird people here lately...


Bro (or maybe sis?), just answer my questions first la. If cannot then just bugger off, coz your nose is already so stinky full of that brown crap from sticking it into the other guy's/girl's back side ya.

Comparing tires to phones, wasting my time only...

Yeah maybe, but whatever it is, must be some big expensive car but probably ashamed to admit coz then people will see how cheapskate he/she is to use cheapo China tires even after being told (with proper reference) that it is a bad idea.

Still haven't truly answer my questions too but going around and round and not paying attention to the details.
Apparently typical busy body person you are huh, meddling in other people's business/arguments until your nose is so brown and smelly already.
Maybe I hit 2 soft spots lately with just 1 stone huh??

Just go to sleep la kid, it's past your bed time already and I don't want to waste my time anymore with people like you.

Never mind, I don't even want to try making idiots listen to me, too pointless.
Same idiot, so I give the same final response ya, and that is it!

Just leave them alone la bro, they're not worth the time.

Of course man, of course!

Hahaha, exactly!
Anyway, just leave them alone, not worth the time already to prolong the arguments. Let's just move on to discussing more useful things for those who have more common sense that is.