And compare with cbj?

Many kv suburbs developed vibrantly since 1990's except cbj.

A spade is a spade.

Facts and physical

Lest we forget cbj started to develop at about the same time as setia alam, iskandar, seremban 2, puchong, kota kemuning and bukit jalil.

According to boomer, puchong was a plantation, a place for wild animal meats until early 1990's and ioi only started to develop at about the same time as cbj.

cbj infrastructure was constructed and residence was available decade before 2011. cbj master developer only opened to other developers from 2011. these developers rushed to build in cbj were to ride on poorperly bull run and irrational buyers.

It is cbj lovers promoted cbj have this and that, claimed other kl area e.g okr, cheras is not for human to live.

Name calling is typical of cbj lovers scammers

How bad urban design set Cyberjaya up for failure

Cyberjaya is a city in Selangor state, about halfway between Kuala Lumpur and Kuala Lumpur International Airport. This is a great place to build a new city. A real estate agent would put “strategic location” in their sales blurb, and on paper it is.

Unfortunately Malaysia is bad at building new cities, and Cyberjaya is a fumbled opportunity to make a great city. There have been plenty of articles written about how Cyberjaya is Malaysia’s ‘failed Silicon Valley’. What they don’t talk about is how the bad urban design of Cyberjaya set it up for failure.

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Cyberjaya is a functioning monument to bad urban design in Malaysia.

How to fix Cyberjaya
One of the problems of Cyberjaya is that it’s a boring city. If you want to attract the best tech talent in the world, then you need a great city to go with it. This should have been part of the project as well. Build an amazing city that people will beat the door down to move to.

Malaysia already has a built-in disadvantage with their morality police, sin taxes, and internet censorship. Malaysia just can’t expect to build office parks with cheap rent and tax breaks and expect people to be excited to live there.
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https://futuresoutheastasia.com/bad-urban-design-cyberjaya/

Now, can claim cyberjaya town planning is a failure. Cbj lovers are in denial.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Oct 26 2023, 03:05 AM

Afiq Aziz says

October 25, 2023 at 1:05 am

Thank you for writing this article. You addressed much needed concerns and even outline stuff that I haven’t noticed before. I actually wrote an email to Cyberview a while ago. I literally lambasted them for their decision to put the MRT station in the middle of nowhere and how none of them make any sense. To my surprise they replied to me. This is their reply

“The two MRT stations which are in the northern part of Cyberjaya is the result of extensive study by the relevant authorities which took into account the future planning of Cyberjaya. The Cyberjaya City Centre MRT Station will be catering for the next city centre for Cyberjaya in the future. The Cyberjaya City Centre was planned as a mixed development of various scales which include world-class convention centre, hotel, serviced residences and hybrid-concept shopping mall housing businesses of different sizes with mid-rise residences and offices. Therefore, there is a need to serve this area.

In the future, MRT is preparing feeder buses serving five routes from the two MRT stations to serve major areas in the city including the high-density residential areas. Cyberview is working closely with the local authority, the Sepang Municipal Council and MRT Corp to further improve the connectivity in Cyberjaya. You may contact MRT Corp at feedback@mymrt.com.my should you have further questions on their planning.”

It’s funny reading it because when he said “the northern part of Cyberjaya is the result of extensive study by the relevant authorities which took into account the future planning of Cyberjaya” this is again terrible city planning to me. Rather than improving the current city center, make it more walkable, make it more lively, make it have direct access to public transportation, making the area more densely populated, etc. They decided to build a new city center 🤣🤣🤣. I mean we already have a dead city center currently, now we want to build a new city center? If you want to use the taxpayers money you should use it wisely, don’t give us lousy services. And this is the result of their extensive research 🤣🤣🤣. I am so angry because when I found out there will be a city center MRT in Cyberjaya I bought a house there thinking that the city might come alive finally and it would be a smart investments but I was a fool to believe that this city that has been terribly planned for decades would actually make things right this time around. We don’t need a new city center especially since Cyberjaya is a ghost town (And I disagree with u, it really is a ghost town) but now suddenly I am supposed to believe that this new city center will work out like magic and have more people living there.

Then they talked about this “In the future, MRT is preparing feeder buses serving five routes from the two MRT stations to serve major areas in the city including the high-density residential areas. ” Why in the world would you want to do that when you could have put the MRT stations in the actual city center and people can just walk or bike to their desired destination. Considering MRT is funded by the Ministry of Finance and how it is has not been profitable for years. Why in the world would you want to waste money providing bus services? They are wasting taxpayers money as if it is nothing. Why not just built the station in the current city center, make the place more lively & denser and people can just walk from the MRT station to their desired destination? I bet you the proposed bus services will have very low riderships and it will cost more losses to the taxpayers money.

Plus for such a dead city why would we need a lot of new malls, office spaces, apartments & so on ? There is no demand for Cyberjaya & quite frankly the buildings are oversupply. This is why Malaysia has so many property overhang. You built too many apartments in the middle of nowhere & turns out nobody wants to buy it. Running a city is simple actually. You need to understand the basics of economy which is demand & supply and you need to build a city that is practical to live in. People shouldn’t think about the future & building new city centers if they can’t even solved the current problems they have. Fixed the current issue first before you go planning for future things that has not ecist yet.

Lastly I would like to just add. This is not the first time we wasted taxpayers money on rail services by building MRT/LRT stations in the middle of nowhere, resulting in extremely low riderships. Malaysia is notorious for that. We spent billions for public transport to reduce traffic but we failed to achieve this. It is shameful and I hope for the future MRT circle line they will actually use their brains to decide where the stations will be located. For the life of me, I can never understand the logic behind this Cyberjaya station. Surely they cant be that dumb. Maybe they were lobbied or something, I dont know.

Afiq Aziz says

October 25, 2023 at 9:14 am

The city center has already been developed for decades. HSBC, Shell, RBC, etc are all located within the current city center. Do you honestly think this company will want to move their office to a new city center? Who would wanna waste millions building new office when you already have an office just a few KM away. Is there a guarantee we can create jobs in these area? Plus Cyberjaya already has an oversupply of housing. Now you are telling me they want to create a new city cenrer, with new houses, shoplots, shopping malls, etc. Their solution is to create more housing even after decades of oversupply. Cyberjaya has been a dead city for decades, what makes u think this new city center will suddenly be so full of people? We are creating a bubble and that is not good. What Cyberview should have done is increased density in the current city center and built an MRT station right at the middle of the city center. You dont get to waste billions of taxpayers money building new roads, highways, MRT station that nobody wants to use. Use the taxpayers money wisely and do not be satisfied with these incompetent services.

https://futuresoutheastasia.com/bad-urban-design-cyberjaya/

It was and is cbj lovers compare cbj is superior over other kv area.

Contemporary history shows; loudest noise is made by minions, and investment e.g poorperly, crypto, glove share, etc chased by minions often end in slaughterhouse.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Oct 26 2023, 09:16 AM

hsbc has branch in mentakab, puncak sentul, etc, what so special?

Malaysia launched the Digital Ecosystem Acceleration scheme as part of its tax reforms in 2022, waiving taxes on all qualifying investments by digital infrastructure providers.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology...theast-Asia-hub

Due to gomen incentive.

Most dwellers are happy with their area, only cbj lovers boast and put down on other places. What I posted is facts and reality, cbj lovers are in denial.

Whatever you wish to debate could debate here, unnecessary to meet in person.

I don't need your RM 1000, better to keep for your medical.

Like most /k, you are unworthy to meet or know in person.

Given your temper, advised you to keep your rm10k, you may need it sooner than expected for medical expenses.

Name calling is typical of cbj lovers, uncultured.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Oct 27 2023, 01:35 PM

Cbj lovers claim is no better than tik tok, telegram, etc.

Overhang and depressed price is a fact and reality, was known years before. Those blinded by greed chose to ignore.


This post has been edited by icemanfx: Oct 27 2023, 02:24 PM

From planning, approval, construction to vp of condo could take >5 years. Data on population, population growth, planned supply, new supply, current stock, etc is public information. current poorperly oversupply was known many years ago.

Minions were blinded by greed, willingly and voluntarily trapped by poorperly developers and guru.

ukraine and gaza war have polarized the world, is shifting the world politics back to cold war period. those backing russia, iran and hamas will lag in economic and technology development in the long term.

SKY 1809 remember you read here

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Oct 27 2023, 05:01 PM

As said many times, I didn't and don't have vested interests in cbj.

Cbj has been a case study on buyers behaviour.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Oct 28 2023, 11:29 AM