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DDG_Ross
post Apr 10 2017, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 10 2017, 12:39 PM)
I think it all depends on exactly how they are using this vehicle exactly. A frontline Medium tank? a heavily-armed IFV escort?

The second role you could probably get away with it, seeing most IFVs are also designed in the same mould.

If used in the first role, it would probably stand out too much though. MBTs could get away with it because of the low chassis minimizes exposure and the fact that the exposed turret is the most protected part of the MBT, but IMHO this design would show (unnecessarily) too much chassis for it to work effectively in this role. hmm.gif
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i think its more like replacing their scorpions and going to places where their leopards mbt cant go?
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post Apr 10 2017, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 10 2017, 12:39 PM)
I think it all depends on exactly how they are using this vehicle exactly. A frontline Medium tank? a heavily-armed IFV escort?

The second role you could probably get away with it, seeing most IFVs are also designed in the same mould.

If used in the first role, it would probably stand out too much though. MBTs could get away with it because of the low chassis minimizes exposure and the fact that the exposed turret is the most protected part of the MBT, but IMHO this design would show (unnecessarily) too much chassis for it to work effectively in this role. hmm.gif
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MMWT brings new technologies and innovative fighting skills to the battlefield. MMWT direct-fire combat roles may include:

* Combat operations against medium and light armour, including; IFVs, APCs, reconnaissance vehicles, combat support vehicles, armoured engineering vehicles, artillery equipment, recovery vehicles and logistic suppor tvehicles.
* Fire support tasks against; dismounted infantry, logistic support sites and defensive positions.

For these roles, the MMWT combines an effective direct-fire weapon with a capable sighting system. This combination enables MMWT to achieve first round hits at battle at long ranges. The tank can fire both AP and HE ammunitions, as well can employ secondary weapons such as 50-cal or 7.62 mm MGs for medium-range area shoots and close-range self-defence.

Although medium tanks are seen as a no-match for heavy main battle tanks (MBTs) in the 60-70 tonnes range, utilizing its stealth and mobility, MMWT can be tasked against MBTs in specific scenarios, such as mobile screening operations, flank attacks, ambush attacks, emergency delaying operations and support of friendly MBTs.


https://www.fnss.com.tr/en/news/fnss-and-pt...eight-tank-mmwt

Although the MMWT is not designed to face head-on with MBTs but the advantage of using the CMI 105mm gun turret that it can fire the Falarick 105 GLATGM.




QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 10 2017, 12:46 PM)
i think its more like replacing their scorpions and going to places where their leopards mbt cant go?
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INNM the MMWT is to replace the AMX-13.
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post Apr 10 2017, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 10 2017, 01:13 PM)
INNM the MMWT is to replace the AMX-13.
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i think they just did a retrofit on the amx13 so its still pretty much in active service even in the near future hmm.gif
not sure about the scorpions though.. so its more like a complement to the armor fleet?

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post Apr 10 2017, 01:32 PM

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Hey, curious question. Anyone in the military have experienced or witnessed hantu or kena rasuk case? If yes, what's your story?
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post Apr 10 2017, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 10 2017, 01:27 PM)
i think they just did a retrofit on the amx13 so its still pretty much in active service even in the near futureĀ  hmm.gif
not sure about the scorpions though.. so its more like a complement to the armor fleet?

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I think the AMX-13 105mm Retrofit is more as a stopgap for the MMWT. Unconfirmed report Pindad is hoping and expecting an order from TNI for up to 250 units MMWT after the MMWT certification have been concluded by TNI.

IINM the Leopard 2 MBTs to replace the Scorpions.

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ayanami_tard
post Apr 10 2017, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 10 2017, 09:33 AM)

This vehicle seems like they just dropped a high-caliber gun onto an IFV chassis. :confused:
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Which is exactly what TAM, CV90 and K21 did.

i dun see any problem with the concept
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post Apr 10 2017, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Apr 10 2017, 02:25 PM)
Which is exactly what TAM, CV90 and K21 did.

i dun see any problem with the concept
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Not a problem with the concept, per se.

Just the problem of dropping a high-caliber gun onto a too exposed chassis that looks like a goddamn delivery box. laugh.gif

IMHO a good tank design would be one to expose only the turret and as little of chassis as possible on the level above the tracks, not 90% of the chassis. That way less of the more vulnerable chassis is exposed to fire.

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azriel
post Apr 10 2017, 06:28 PM

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Indonesian Army Kostrad 8th Cavalry Battalion in Pasuruan East Java took delivery of 9 units Leopard 2RI MBTs and 1 unit Leopard AVLB. Photo credit to Portal Komando.

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http://www.portal-komando.com/2017/04/keku...ostrad.html?m=1

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Apr 10 2017, 12:01 PM)
already read some other articles from same writer

bulls**t alarm triggered in each of his article

his russian plane fanboyism is too strong
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The French jet is too expensive end of story
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post Apr 10 2017, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 10 2017, 03:54 PM)
Not a problem with the concept, per se.

Just the problem of dropping a high-caliber gun onto a too exposed chassis that looks like a goddamn delivery box. laugh.gif

IMHO a good tank design would be one to expose only the turret and as little of chassis as possible on the level above the tracks, not 90% of the chassis. That way less of the more vulnerable chassis is exposed to fire.

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like the other pipu said, the hull is from ifv so ofc it's tall. it's not built from scratch as a tank so the inherent height is unavoidable unless they wanna do complete design makeover.

Having a tall tank or pendek tank is irrelevant today since any modern 3rd gen (hell even upgraded 2nd gen ones ) can hit any exposed turret from 2,3 km away. in iraq war the iraqi put their tank in dug in position (classic defensive position, making tanks as makeshift pillboxes) and made makeshift dirt cover so only their turret is exposed but abram and bradley still rip them several new asshole. desway u see many half buried destroyed iraqi tanks

also, dun suppose you know but front glacis is (usually)thicker than turret armor. the tank may have better survival rate if enemy shot hit front hull compared to turret
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Apr 10 2017, 07:09 PM)
like the other pipu said, the hull is from ifv so ofc it's tall. it's not built from scratch as a tank so the inherent height is unavoidable unless they wanna do complete design makeover.

Having a tall tank or pendek tank is irrelevant today since any modern 3rd gen (hell even upgraded 2nd gen ones ) can hit any exposed turret from 2,3 km away. in iraq war the iraqi  put their tank in dug in position (classic defensive position, making tanks as makeshift pillboxes) and made makeshift dirt cover so only their turret is exposed but abram and bradley still rip them several new asshole. desway u see many half buried destroyed iraqi tanks

also, dun suppose you know but front glacis is (usually)thicker than turret armor. the tank may have better survival rate if enemy shot hit front hull compared to turret
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i suppose being taller has its perks as well

it can peek above cover and have higher angle of firing hmm.gif
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post Apr 10 2017, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 10 2017, 09:25 PM)
i suppose being taller has its perks as well
it can peek above cover and have higher angle of firing hmm.gif
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cons- not recommended to fire the cannon sideways..
another inherent design of light/medium tanks
amx13 & scorpion crews are advised to not do this
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 10 2017, 09:33 PM)
cons- not recommended to fire the cannon sideways..
another inherent design of light/medium tanks
amx13 & scorpion crews are advised to not do this
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lol they should just lock the turret and force the barrel to only go up or down, not sideways
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post Apr 10 2017, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 10 2017, 10:45 PM)
lol they should just lock the turret and force the barrel to only go up or down, not sideways
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whats the point of having a turret then?
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Apr 10 2017, 10:07 PM)
whats the point of having a turret then?
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i guess for compatibility reasons? easy swap of 105mm gun turret to lighter armament (20mm or .50 cal) depending on situation?
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The medium tank reminds me of this Russian Airborne tank with 125mm gun.



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post Apr 10 2017, 10:48 PM

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The US Army version of the light/medium tank: Mobile Protected Firepower (MPF).

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GDLS Griffin MPF

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US Mobile Protected Firepower surges forward

17th March 2017 - 12:24 by Stephen Miller in Washington D.C.

The US Army's MPF (Mobile Protected Firepower) programme has been confirmed and will be introduced into the Infantry Brigade Combat Teams (IBCT).


https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarf...surges-forward/

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post Apr 11 2017, 12:42 AM

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