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post Mar 31 2017, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 31 2017, 12:30 AM)
That should not be a problem most armoured vehicle are design for bolt on protection system but level depends on the engine capacity to take on the heavier load. For peace time is waste money due to fuel consumption.
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The question is do such kits even exist

Inb4 "Marehsia must emulate ISIS" whistling.gif

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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Mar 31 2017, 12:26 AM)
Am I under the wrong impression that eventually our 8x8 gempita will replace adnan and kifv?
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Well, Wheeled =/= Tracked, so ideally another tracked APC chassis will be bought... but obviously this will only pass if we have oodles of cash which we don't doh.gif
Frankly I wouldn't be too unhappy to see us continue mass producing AV8
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post Mar 31 2017, 12:46 AM

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Another One Bites the Dust: Major arms depot falls to Islamic State
http://spioenkop.blogspot.my/2017/03/anoth...arms-depot.html

By Stijn Mitzer and Joost Oliemans

Just over a year after capturing Deir ez-Zor's Ayyash weapon depot in the largest arms haul of the Syrian Civil War, the Islamic State has once again got its hands on massive quantities of ammunition captured from a storage depot in Deir ez-Zor. This arms haul joins the list of other major instances where vast amounts of weaponry and munitions traded owners such as the capture of the aforementioned Ayyash weapon depot, Regiment 121, Brigade 93 and the Mahin arms depot, all but the last of which were at the hands of the Islamic State. Each of these depots provided its capturers with a wide array of weaponry, vehicles and ammunition that could immediately be used against their former owners, a major blow to other factions fighting for control over Syria.

A propaganda video released by the Islamic State, showing its fighters on the offensive in Deir ez-Zor, was the only footage released of the capture of the depot. The video, على أبواب الملاحم - 'At the Doors of Epics [Battles]', details the Islamic State's efforts towards splitting the regime-held territory in two, which they succeeded in doing so in February 2017. This means that the airbase and Brigade 137 are now completely isolated, further complicating efforts to supply both pockets and drastically increasing the vulnerability of the airbase. Despite the growing threat, it remains unlikely that the Islamic State will be able to capture either pocket. The capture of significant quantities of ammunition, including up to three million rounds of small arms rounds will surely allow the Islamic State to prolong its fight for survival.

This is an estimate of the ammunition captured, the real figures are believed to be higher. The contents of at least 652 crates could not be identified. Small arms are not included due to the small quantities captured.

Ammunition:

˜ 3,320,600* rounds of 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, 12.7mm and 14.5mm ammunition.
- 2,310 rounds of 85mm ammunition.
- 693 rounds of 100mm ammunition.
- 13 rounds of 125mm ammunition.
- 120 rounds of 120mm ammunition.
- 68 rounds of 122mm rocket ammunition.
- 15 TM-62 anti-tank mines.

Vehicles:

- 1 T-72M1 TURMS-T.
- 3 T-72M1s.

- 1 AMB-S.
- 1 Tatra 148.
- 1 UAZ-469.
- 5 cars.

Although assessing the exact contents of each spam can of small arms munition is impossible, by volume the total amount would equal roughly 3.32 million rounds of 7.62x39mm, or a slightly smaller numer distributed of larger calibres such as 12.7mm and 14.5mm. Regardless, truly a tremendous amount of small arms ammunition was captured indeed.

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post Mar 31 2017, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Mar 31 2017, 12:48 AM)
But why aren't you happy with av8?

And what's our replacement plan or options for adnan? They're ancient
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Madly overpriced

Ideally, buy another tracked APC, but in practice, no replacement plan. Well they are not incredibly complex machines, can run those things till they fall apart. But we won't have fancy-shmancy "vehicle network" tech lah.
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post Mar 31 2017, 02:08 AM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Mar 31 2017, 01:23 AM)
It overpriced cause they bought the whole design right for all the variant and also regional sale. Its the same as the Ngpv meko100. I think the LCS Tot is only for the 1st batch and 2nd batch still need DCNS negotiation.
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As if we can fight with Piranha, VBL, Boxer, BTR, etc. doh.gif
Should have just bought off the shelf
If I quote the price difference with any of these other vehicles, you will cry

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post Mar 31 2017, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Mar 31 2017, 01:49 PM)
Good offer .。RMN interest or not  ?
only 20 year using, still have at lease 10+ year life i think。。。 21k tonne... just finish re-fit in 2014 cost 65mil pound
helicopter can slowly get. 
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HMS Ocean is built only to commercial standards, and memang only has a ~20 year life

The refit IIRC was only to keep up with EU environmental regs

I'm certainly not a ship expert but I wouldn't spend LOTS of money to buy a car hoping to use it beyond its planned useful life, too many components can go wrong... what more a far more complex machine like a ship
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post Apr 1 2017, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 1 2017, 01:23 PM)
well ship commercial standards not means only 20 year life, many commercial ship can use 30+ years. 
like Indo made makarssa class can use 30 Year+
worth or not , depend study and analysis by team.  if value price and got budget why not , it can use many role for MAF.
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If gonna go with commercial standards, take a slightly used ship ~5 years say, and mod it like Bunga Mas Lima... will probably work as well... its not like we are conducting opposed amphibious landing, its just a glorified transport ship/heli carrier temporary until we can get a really capable MRSS

US built theirs from scratch but it is quite possible to do from commercial

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Most famous example is UK's Atlantic Conveyor which could carry 4 Chinook and had 1 spotted on deck. Immense cargo capacity.

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post Apr 1 2017, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Apr 1 2017, 05:44 PM)
wasn't this ship sunk
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Yes, that is why it is famous laugh.gif lesson learned - from now on put chaff and CIWS on EVERYTHING laugh.gif

However the auxiliary ship in a way did its job screening the carriers, the Exocet went for it rather than HMS Invincible or HMS Hermes, both of which were well covered by chaff and CIWS.

The other auxiliaries which are NOT famous because they were NOT sunk rolleyes.gif are the ones to learn from. Look at the huge amounts of materiel and men they ferried:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nav...n_up_from_trade
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post Apr 1 2017, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(TigerLion @ Apr 1 2017, 07:03 PM)
Why did Malaysia choose to use M4 instead of other rifles?  :confused:
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....such as? SA80? G36?! XM8?!?! IMI TAVOR?!?!?!?!

M4 is relatively new development, we used Steyr Aug for a long while and actually trialled both G36 and Xm8
Palagi lu mau
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post Apr 2 2017, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Apr 2 2017, 01:50 PM)
US Navy's Newest Amphibious Assault Ship.



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ah the mistake
Should sell it off to some allies and replace with the upgraded design

Singkie dowan a nice new LHA? brows.gif
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post Apr 2 2017, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Apr 2 2017, 10:28 PM)
TNI AL should get the Absalon class or Damen's Crossover class as their new frigate. Will serve indonesia better with indonesia geography.
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DCNS should be more experienced with warm water warships than Scandinavian countries, and so far doing a good job building for French navy and export both

What's the sos for that RSN F35 carrier? Its missing a ski jump btw

Edit: pujimak Fat & Fluffy... time to hunt for arnab satay mad.gif brows.gif

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post Apr 2 2017, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 2 2017, 10:36 PM)
april fool sarcasm meter rosak?
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sweat.gif I guess... laugh.gif
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post Apr 3 2017, 06:26 PM

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can't wait for the Singkie forums to be fixed

QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Apr 3 2017, 09:49 AM)
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wow
RPG-2, M-60, 40mm grenades
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post Apr 4 2017, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Apr 3 2017, 08:48 PM)
Kua Kia Soong just made an article
he said we should by F35 as the plane has the same price tag as Rafale
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From a pure cost perspective he has a point; when F35 hits full production it will indeed have the same price tag or be even cheaper

But the running and maintenance costs must be insane with all that stealth coating, and its not suited operationally for our needs
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post Apr 4 2017, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Apr 4 2017, 01:02 AM)
They need to hire media staff wei
Announcement pun macam field manual laugh.gif
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post Apr 4 2017, 02:59 AM

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QUOTE(mumbly297 @ Apr 4 2017, 01:43 AM)
Actually he got it wrong. F35 will be more expensive than all the fighter it replaced coupled with inflation every year.
Example on legacy fighter price. F15E is more expansive than a F15C/D and F16V is more expensive than a F16C/D. This is due avionics advance and uprated capabilities of the later model.
The purchase of a new type of fighter is always more expensive as it will be package with training, simulators, weapons and spares. It will be cheaper if a second batch of plane or large quantity were to be bought as price is only on the plane itself for 2nd batch or package price are spread to the large number of fighter
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Can't just assume, you'd be surprised: 4.5 gen have their own price issues
Program cost per unit of Superbug, Typhoon and Rafale all are clocking in significantly above Usd 100m mark

Whereas F35 unit cost is dropping as production rate improves. The sheer size of the order book (>3000 units) means there are significant economies of scale savings and mitigates the R&D cost
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post Apr 6 2017, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 5 2017, 12:26 PM)
also in port klang
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also in lumut
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Gathering fr Singkie fleet review?
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post Apr 7 2017, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 7 2017, 10:21 AM)
kneejerk reaction though
not the first time assad used chems on his own pipul
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1st time Trump is in charge brows.gif

Well thats another campaign promise scratched
But I gotta say, its far more effective than that pussy Obama
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post Apr 8 2017, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Apr 7 2017, 11:34 PM)
1 frigate vs 2 destroyers
Riiiiight brows.gif

I didn't know until now that Burke DDGs carried that many Tomahawks blink.gif
96 VLS tubes + the ability to quadpack ESSMs = a hell of a missile load!
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post Apr 11 2017, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Apr 10 2017, 07:09 PM)
Having a tall tank or pendek tank is irrelevant today since any modern 3rd gen (hell even upgraded 2nd gen ones ) can hit any exposed turret from 2,3 km away. in iraq war the iraqi  put their tank in dug in position (classic defensive position, making tanks as makeshift pillboxes) and made makeshift dirt cover so only their turret is exposed but abram and bradley still rip them several new asshole. desway u see many half buried destroyed iraqi tanks
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not really
US Army considers the T-72's main advantage to be its low silhouette

the massive Iraq losses during Gulf War 1 is due to many factors, if talking about strictly tank-on-tank combat these apply:
1) Iraqi Army's inability to respond to the famous Left Hook, so their tank trenches were effectively outflanked
2) tank trenches were made of uncompacted sand berms that Western APFSDS rounds could actually punch through
3) Western tank systems outranged Iraqi T-72s by at least 1km, sometimes more

The West is well aware that fighting Russian T-72B3s would be very different from fighting Iraqi Asad Babils/T-72s

QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Apr 11 2017, 08:41 AM)
(snip)
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who is Tanzim Al-Qaida and Darul Islam Sabah?

QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Apr 11 2017, 12:42 AM)
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Beribu ribu tahniah
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>MRE
>modern army
>canned
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post Apr 11 2017, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Apr 11 2017, 01:50 PM)
>idf use canned food
>idf is world class army

oy vey biggrin.gif
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IDF is different lah
can get pizza delivery faster than cooking ration laugh.gif

I lol because pinoy using cans and calling it world-class MRE when most Western armies are using retort pouch

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 11 2017, 02:46 PM)
Not to mention allied ground-attack airpower is supreme in that war. I read somewhere air power knocked out like 70% of Iraqi armor even before allied tanks got there.
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I was restricting myself to tank duels, of which there were a couple, and involving Republican Guard T-72s as well as regular units' Asad Babils

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