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azriel
post Mar 22 2017, 09:05 PM

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Rafale appears in the lead as Malaysia seeks new fighter jets - defense source

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LANGKAWI, Malaysia, March 22 (Reuters) - France's Rafale fighter jet is emerging as the frontrunner as Malaysia looks to replace its aging fleet of combat aircraft, a source in the Southeast Asian nation's defense ministry said on Wednesday, despite narrowing its defense spending this year.

French President Francois Hollande was expected to make a pitch for the Rafale, made by Dassault Aviation SA, when he and his team visit Malaysia next week, the source said.

"The ministry's top leadership have been promoting the Rafale," said the source, who was not authorized to speak to media on the negotiations.

"It's been done in promotional material for LIMA, and even at top government meetings," the source said, referring to this week's biennial Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition.

Malaysia was looking to buy up to 18 jets in a deal potentially worth more than $2 billion, the source said.

Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein was reported in media as saying that the race for new fighter jets has narrowed down to the Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon, built by BAE Systems .

The plan is to replace the Royal Malaysian Air Force's (RMAF) squadron of Russian MiG-29 combat planes, nearly half of which are grounded.

Dassault, which declined comment when approached, has kept a low profile in the race. BAE has been on a consistent and public campaign over the past six years to win the Malaysia contract, even establishing a regional office in the capital, Kuala Lumpur.

Steve Osborne, BAE's sales director for military air and information for the Asia Pacific region, said the Typhoon had a good chance of landing the deal as the company already supplied defense equipment to Malaysia.

"We believe this gives the government of Malaysia the confidence in us that they may go with us...," said Osborne.

An industry and a government source with knowledge of the negotiations said any decision would take at least two more years, as Prime Minister Najib Razak is focused on more domestic concerns in the run up to national polls that must be held by 2018.

Malaysia cut its total defense budget by 12.7 percent to 15.1 billion ringgit ($3.41 billion) this year, as Najib grapples with growing public discontent over rising living costs.

Besides Dassault and BAE, other suitors courting Malaysia are Russia's Sukhoi and Sweden's SAAB, which is selling its single engine Gripen.

Two industry sources said Sukhoi was also in talks with Indonesia, potentially to deliver up to two full squadrons of the new SU-35 planes. An Indonesian ministry official said in November that the ministry was looking to buy "nine or 10" of the planes, though the award had not been finalized.

SAAB, which is proposing a lease arrangement with Malaysia for use of the Gripen, is also in the running for a deal to deliver 36 single engine multi-role combat aircraft to the Philippines, according to an industry source who has direct knowledge of the negotiations.

"We're expecting a decision by the Philippine government between 2018 and 2020. Their procurement process is scheduled to happen between 2021 and 2024," the source said.


Read more: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/22/reuters-ame...nse-source.html

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SUSKLboy92
post Mar 22 2017, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Mar 22 2017, 06:24 PM)
usd 4.6b for 36SH and 4 E-2D is way too cheap/low...

just look at the Brazilian fighter contest ,they chose gripen at the price of usd 5b, instead of 36 SH for usd7.5b or 36 rafale for usd 8b
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Yeah
Figures are just based on flyaway cost, ofcourse need to input interest + profit + support costs etc
More likely ~USD 9B doh.gif unless we get mega discount whistling.gif

So can continue dreaming lah
But I agree with TUDM stance to find 2 engine plane
The higher cost is worth it in the end as insurance to preserve airframe and pilot, we already have very few of both
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post Mar 22 2017, 09:34 PM

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lets hope we'll be using the new airbus a400m this friday.
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post Mar 22 2017, 09:41 PM

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LIMA 2017: MD 530G to reach Malaysia this year

22nd March 2017 - 12:51 by Gordon Arthur in Langkawi

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MD Helicopters confirmed that the Malaysian Army will receive its first, and possibly second, MD 530G light scout helicopter before the end of 2017.

Speaking to Shephard at the LIMA 2017 exhibition in Langkawi, Craig Kitchen, chief commercial officer of MD Helicopters, said the first two rotorcraft had been certificated, and the next four are coming into build.

He said they will be delivered 'as soon as possible' since the Malaysian Army wanted one or two units in 2017 and the remainder in 2018. Kitchen described a 12-month build schedule for each helicopter.

A signing ceremony for Malaysia's six helicopters was signed at DSA 2016, with the contract valued at RM321 million ($82.6 million). At that time the quoted delivery schedule was two units by December 2016, and the remaining four in May-June 2017.

Kitchen put the delay down to two reasons. One was the time taken to get contractual issues straightened between the various parties and government.

The other reason was due to gaining the necessary certification because of the customised options Malaysia selected. Its MD 530Gs have a full glass cockpit, for example, with an improved mission management system.


Read more: https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/rotorhub...-malaysia-year/



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post Mar 22 2017, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Mar 22 2017, 09:05 PM)
Read more: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/22/reuters-ame...nse-source.html
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SAAB, which is proposing a lease arrangement with Malaysia for use of the Gripen, is also in the running for a deal to deliver 36 single engine multi-role combat aircraft to the Philippines, according to an industry source who has direct knowledge of the negotiations.

"We're expecting a decision by the Philippine government between 2018 and 2020. Their procurement process is scheduled to happen between 2021 and 2024," the source said.
Philippines is buying 36 Gripens?
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post Mar 22 2017, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Mar 22 2017, 09:05 PM)
ni macam recycle mahalim news for aviation week
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Mar 23 2017, 12:29 AM)
Philippines is buying 36 Gripens?
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post Mar 22 2017, 11:25 PM

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Admiral Kamarulzaman said Malaysia is also in the final stages of negotiations with French shipbuilder DCNS to launch a programme to build larger littoral combat ships.

The navy chief said the programme should be formally announced in August or September.
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/m...0-ships-in-navy



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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 22 2017, 11:25 PM)
sgpv batch 2?  blink.gif  blink.gif
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if it true, hope the 1st few ships build by DCNS.
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post Mar 22 2017, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Mar 22 2017, 11:25 PM)
sgpv batch 2?  blink.gif  blink.gif
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bigger LCS?

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post Mar 23 2017, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Mar 22 2017, 05:44 PM)
Super Hornet is not much cheaper than future expected price of F-35A, ~USD 100m per

36 biji F-18 SH already USD 3.6 bil
lets say 200 AIM120 and 100 AIM9, another USD 0.2 bil for easy calc
4 E-2D about USD 200 mil each
Already hit USD 4.6 bil
Plus spares? Training?

Whats our annual procurement budget, USD 1 bil? If we dedicate half of that we'd be spending nearly 10 years paying for it, even more if interest + inflation factored in

And TDM TLDM can forget gettng any other big ticket items too... like 15 to 5....
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Not really.
super hornet is way cheaper than f35.
Fly away cost ~usd70mil.
Unless you are talking about the f18G or the Australian version.
That would be expensive and malaysia unlikely to get approval to buy it.
Iirc we were once offer usd1.5bil+ for 18 super hornet + spare.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/...ication-154840/

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Mar 22 2017, 03:46 PM)
dream on la usd 4b....

for brazilian fighter contest,

36 rafale =8b ++
36 SH = 7.5b
36 gripen = 5b

36 SH + 4 e2d probably going to cost about 9-10b usd
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That depend on the requirements.
Brazil super hornet is around usd7bil it include ew stuff similar to Australia version.
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/brazi...hornet-aircraft
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post Mar 23 2017, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 23 2017, 12:03 AM)
Not really.
super hornet is way cheaper than f35.
Fly away cost ~usd70mil.
Unless you are talking about the f18G or the Australian version.
That would be expensive and malaysia unlikely to get approval to buy it.
Iirc we were once offer usd1.5bil+ for 18 super hornet + spare.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/...ication-154840/
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Those are 2002 dollars
USD 1.5 bil then is about USD 2 bil in 2016 dollars

Now some other sources do say 2016 F/A-18 flyaway cost is still 70M, but wiki quotes ~98M, source 2015 DOD budget... I suspect this is total program cost which we should expect to be charged

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Mar 23 2017, 12:38 AM)
Those are 2002 dollars
USD 1.5 bil then is about USD 2 bil in 2016 dollars

Now some other sources do say 2016 F/A-18 flyaway cost is still 70M, but wiki quotes ~98M, source 2015 DOD budget... I suspect this is total program cost which we should expect to be charged
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it more towards hardware addons.
They try standardised passive ew on all their sh.
Without ew equipment it should be around 70mil flyaway cost.

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post Mar 23 2017, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 23 2017, 12:16 AM)
That depend on the requirements.
Brazil super hornet is around usd7bil it include ew stuff similar to Australia version.
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/brazi...hornet-aircraft
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still,even earlier SH block 1 wont be as cheap as you suggested before.

QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 22 2017, 02:53 PM)
36 super hornet + 4 e2d + weapons package + maintenance + spare.
I think it going to cost malaysia usd4bil max.
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Mar 23 2017, 12:53 AM)
still,even earlier SH block 1 wont be as cheap as you suggested before.
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Should be around usd70mil.
Unless Boeing close the production reopening and low production would be very expensive.
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btw, this is dsca annoucement about kuwait SH...10.1b for 40 units
(more expensive than brazil offer probably because of more services/support related)..

btw,the avionics almost similar to the brazil's offer
so it seem that these are the standardized specs for new built SH...


http://dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/governmen...ircraft-support
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Mar 23 2017, 12:53 AM)
still,even earlier SH block 1 wont be as cheap as you suggested before.
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i guest F18 ASH block3 flyway price should be usd 80-90 。。。usd 15mi for ammunition, usd 20 mi for 5 year parts/service. l

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Mar 22 2017, 11:48 PM)
bigger LCS?

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hopefully get FREMM-ER .... but with at lease 48-64 VLS.

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