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post Mar 11 2019, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(kevraul @ Mar 11 2019, 09:44 AM)
sorry for the late reply. it was oil. i didnt look at tguan.

bpplas poor profits quarter coincided with the rise in oil price and ringgit, previously.

i had thought that it might get better a bit with lower oil prices, but the wait was quite a while. lower oil price didnt immediately translate to profits, but maybe they could be seeing more profit now.

another plus point is bpplas does give out dividends.
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Some companies might have a slower reaction to cheaper costs such as lower oil prices as they probably have a slightly higher cost stocks they need to run off before they can really benefit from lower cost prices.

This is why comparison with other stocks in the same industry helps the speculator if this is a one off scenario...
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post Mar 12 2019, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(GSCboy @ Mar 12 2019, 11:50 AM)
Good spot on BBPLAS, going up step by step, heading up 1.4
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There are few other stocks in this family one could have selected a few months back.... not hard to find... tongue.gif
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post Mar 13 2019, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Mar 12 2019, 11:42 PM)
Mind sharing how to select a few months back? Based on UsD and Oil price?

Can’t be. Resin price? Probably

Few other stocks? So many abang adik? Not many.

Tomypack? Not good
ScGM? Not good
Uchitech? Hmmm
Scienctex? Not in line wo
Luxchem? Inverse relationship

Don’t always hide in bushes come Come share some knowledge ler notworthy.gif
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There is the almighty and powderful..................... Google la..... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 13 2019, 09:36 AM

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Was there a valid invest/trade/speculate this stock in Nov? rolleyes.gif

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post Mar 13 2019, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(GSCboy @ Mar 13 2019, 12:44 PM)
I know this, scanned this once before but too bad the volume up to the 2nd peak wasnt my liking. That Nov period might had signal the end of selling climax while breaking the short term trend line, it should had pop up in most of the trader's screener
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Did you compare with the earnings and its reporting date..
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post Mar 14 2019, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Mar 14 2019, 12:32 AM)


However, traders should also take note on Q to Q comparison which reported on 2nd nov , also which earnings were worse then aug earnings.

All were trading cautiously until breakout appear
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The best entry trades are usually made when the market is irrationally cautious, esp witnessed during end last year. The market started 2018 around 1800 and ended close to 1600plus. The fear that market would crash.

Now q-q comparisons. You cannot do comparison like Aug with Nov because you would commit the grave mistake because many companies have seasonal characteristics with their earnings. For example many might have better year end profits compared to start of the year earnings.

Most important that Nov earning represented the 3 consecutive quarter of profit growth, which makes a stark contrast if one compares with its previous year earnings result. In simple England, clearly the earnings has had turned around positively.

Now with that info, ask the other logical question. Does the stock deserve to be trading where it was?

If the answer was yes.... then what should the speculator have done?


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post Mar 14 2019, 08:13 AM

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And yes, FYI there are a couple other stocks in the sector worth perhaps a speculative bet.....
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post Mar 15 2019, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Mar 15 2019, 12:02 AM)
Billion dollar question  biggrin.gif

Wished I would know how.

So how to speculate wisely?
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Explained quite in detail based on a real example and yet you ask how?

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post Mar 16 2019, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 19 2017, 09:50 AM)
Early, early morning got brain twister laugh.gif
For me, if that was me, I bought the stock (which I thought had value) but yet the stock went down, the first and best thing to do is ALWAYS try to look at it with an unbiased mindset. Forget the value thing. Forget the discount. First thing is that the bloody stock went down. Which means is that I have to ask myself if I had bloody well farked up on my assumption of value there. DID I MAKE THE BLOODY MISTAKE IN THE FIRST PLACE? That's what I would ask instead of using quotes like 'BE GREEDY WHEN OTHERS ARE FEARFUL. When we do not analyse ourselves first, that would utterly render that quote useless.

Take that Parkson example again. Take Feb 2012. Profits 100 million plus. NTA 2.39. Parkson price then was 4.40++

So Parkson was tumbling down....

Assuming one spotted it but decided that they would take the good old value+patience approach.

They wait ONE year later before pulling the mighty trigger. May 2013. Profits 70 million plus. Still bloody good ma. NTA increased to 2.59. Price was 3.0+. And they note, got dividend and got share buyback. What can go wrong?

Well profits continued to fall. From 70+ million, profits plunged to 30+ million.'

Now assume this fella did not average down YET.

He/She played the patient game... but come AUg 2015.... profits turned into MASSIVE losses. ...... and Parksom traded only around 1.10++

Hey its NTA still 2.43 wo...

Then came the aggressive AVERAGE DOWN..... how can go wrong? ICAP fella still invested in the stock. Big massive discount now....

Ahhh..... this is where it can get really interesting.

Say initial investment was 3.00. Bought 10,000 shares.

Now price 1.10. Buy how many? Buy 30,000 shares?

Then price dropped 90 sen? Buy 10,000 shares?

Then price dropped 80 sen? Buy 50,000 shares?

Then price dropped 70 sen. Buy how much?

Ooops.... price dropped a lot this year too. Now 55+ sen. Buy how how much?
Now add them up.  sweat.gif

What's the average price?
You know... if I throw away all my market knowledge and just analyse these actions.... isn't one BUYING MORE, MORE, MORE of one's initial mistake?

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throwback 2017. tongue.gif


Oh. Parkson recent low was 0.225 and now trades at 0.285.

That's the value trap in investing. To be a good investor you need to have strong conviction in your analysis and research. This is a very good trait but then there's a very fine line between this and stubbornly wrong. When one is wrong and stubborn, one will fail to see past his/her own failings....


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post Mar 27 2019, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Mar 27 2019, 01:03 AM)
So how cheap is considered cheap? How value plays a part in your decision to trade? We all know that different sector of industry have different perception towards NTA

Looks like PE factor is very important to you and other traders

After all these years in here, I only learn one thing from boon,

Is to never touch a sinking ship  laugh.gif

How to identify a sinking ship? Trend? Chart? Or perception?

Looking at trend? End up a lagger, taking the pie last

Looking a chart? So many false signal. <- take years to master

Looking a psychology and market sentimental? I think that’s more like it laugh.gif  laugh.gif economy data good, what lousy share also can go up  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Does glove share looks more appealing now? I do feel so. Hartalega. How to you evaluate how cheap will this stock be? And how expensive will this stock can go?

How about SLP? Bargain to me. How to value and more importantly, how to trade such stock?  Wait and see approach required? Market sentimental very bad wo.
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I am not who and what you seek and neither do I possess no holy grails

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post Mar 28 2019, 07:19 AM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 27 2019, 09:44 PM)
PE is not an absolute indicator to see a stock price is undervalue or not. A good prospect and fundamentally sound stock, whereby future earnings is anticipated to growth exponentially, PE20++ may consider as cheap. A poor prospect stocks, ie deteriorating company's earning & cloudy future, even traded at <PE10 also can consider expensive.

More over, we dont use PE when evaluate certain type of stock, ie REITs.

I'm boring today, let's use REIT as case study shall we?  biggrin.gif 

Just throw in something to trigger discussion.

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Err please take it with a pinch of salt.

kthxbye.
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Hahahaha!!

Rather spot on I would say. A lot are simply misled the wrong stuff, esp on price earnings and also the biggest misleading word, undervalued. Would they realise that half the time when they embark on undervalued investing, they would inadvertently fall in the value trap and what they conceive as cheap and undervalued would only get much cheaper. tongue.gif

I still dunno much about REITS la.... laugh.gif


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post Mar 28 2019, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 27 2019, 09:44 PM)


With all these data / facts / knowledge in hand, one could easily spotted investment opportunity back in March 2018.

Data-driven decision making  icon_rolleyes.gif
May I add...

Data-driven decision making!! And all it requires is simple work. Reap what you sow! And such decision making is not difficult at all. All it requires is simple comparisons between the figures.... no rocket mathematician scientists required.... laugh.gif

And yeah, I still dunno much about REITS. LOL! tongue.gif

Back in March 2018? I was already been in a stockless position for quite some time. blush.gif tongue.gif
But kudos to you. rclxms.gif

Them yields did not just fall overnight hor...
It was gostan-ing for a while already....
But then, market always like to react to the obvious, don't they. biggrin.gif

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post Mar 28 2019, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 28 2019, 09:40 AM)
Data analysis lesson 101 course

When can I sign up!
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Ask Smurf. biggrin.gif


Mine one is the simple one. Might not be good. devil.gif

9 -> 10 -> 11 = Good.

9 -> 11 -> 13 = Sibeh good

11 -> 10 -> 9 = Gostan = No Good

11 -> 9 -> 7 = Mati katak

You sure you want to sign up? brows.gif
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post Mar 28 2019, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 28 2019, 10:01 AM)
drool.gif  simplicity is the best policy.  notworthy.gif
doh.gif there's not much info out there on the data driven analysis for a noob investor.
need sifu ajar
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Sifu Sifu here Sifu sifu there soon becomes garbage forum lah.

We share opinion ok la
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post Mar 28 2019, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 28 2019, 10:27 AM)
Oh wait, this is Trader's Corner.

Back to chart shall we  biggrin.gif
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Wei...traders cannot use comparison data 101 meh?

Traders must trade all the time meh? Once a year, cannot meh?

Charts? Use charts but do not let charts use us la. biggrin.gif


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post Mar 28 2019, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 28 2019, 11:51 AM)
Please post more charts for the benefits of fellow forummers whistling.gif  whistling.gif

and to trigger more and more discussion  biggrin.gif
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very lazy mode la...

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post Mar 29 2019, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 28 2019, 11:51 AM)


to trigger more and more discussion  biggrin.gif
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... panjang or pendek ?

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post Mar 29 2019, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 29 2019, 09:57 AM)
panjang please.
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Bingo! laugh.gif

Few stuff...

1. Market was way too pricey.... since end 2017. tongue.gif ( Bull market , yes?)

2. Donald Dumb came. LOL!

I laughed at how ppl say he's business minded. But was he really a good businessman? No one remember how his chain of casinos nearly collapsed during previous housing crisis? Utang too panjang? LOL!

3. Self inflected wounds to the world economy. Thanks Dumb Dumb! Trade wars easy to win? Or easy to sakit? LOL!

Guess what? Who is feeling the hurt eh?

4. but then it can be considered a stroke of genius, he literally ended the dangers of an over heating global economy. The excess has to be rinsed and washed. Strong survive and win. The weak? Bungkus loh..... the painful truth, no?

5. That puts the end to the itchy Fed fingers. Rates too high, also can die one. And yes, the bond already lead the way, a few months back. tongue.gif
and now, perhaps a cut, maybe? ie.... the rescue plan was already in motion....

6. ... and the main band aid.... the self inflected wounds ...well..it's not impossible ... but it can addressed if those buggers sit and workout a deal..... well, isn't this in motion already?









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post Mar 29 2019, 10:29 AM

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and minyak.....

those cowboy... are they ever gonna reduce their pumping?

if no.... then... ?


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post Mar 31 2019, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Anthem 2 @ Mar 31 2019, 12:38 AM)
Their margins are still pretty low and someones going to get careless and when that happens, the environmental impact is very severe. The whole shale industry could collapse and the immediate supply vacuum could see USD100-150 oil again. Usually in most cost cutting exercises, the first reductions will be in margins of safety eg the latest episode with Boeing.
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"Their margins are still pretty low and someones going to COULD get careless and when that happens, the environmental impact is very severe."

That might be a possibility (ie I would never say that it would never happen) but then, if I have to factor in possibilities then I would be silly not to factor in the possibility of China's shale oil, which might really start to boom, for example, as highlighted : https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Morga...Shale-Boom.html - yes, despite that production will pale in comparison to them cowboy's production but then China is China and China is huge and I would not write of its future potential, as for example https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/massiv...in-north-china/

Anyway, I try to see things as it is, and at this moment, I don't see them cowboys reducing their production which means the stockpile inventory shall always be a systematic problem that isn't going anywhere soon. Which means, oil prices has a cap, probably around 55-65 in the near future. Currently, it's in my flawed opinion that some quarters are just over reaching and reacting crazily as oil prices rebounds the past couple of months. Everybody loves a rally, who doesn't?


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