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Coup De Grace
post May 28 2017, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 28 2017, 08:28 PM)
ASSUMING you have do not own any stocks of OLDTOWN before but was interested cos it's a 'INVESTMENT' stock plunging big time.

And obviously, the mindset is to think that whenever there's a huge fall, there must be some sort of bargain. Sometimes the answer is yes BUT many times the answer is no. A rather IFFY strategy cos you can get it more wrong than right.

First thing first...

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Now that's the BIG fall... but the thing to note is the chart below...

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As we can see the stock was driven high the past couple of months, which coincided with OLDTOWN's super duper result recorded in Feb 2017.

Now if we are interested in it now, now that the latest result is said to be 'disappointing', we need to check out Feb results.... key is don't be a sucker and simply dive in chasing numbers....

Again, for me, everything is about comparing numbers....

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As can see

1. OTHER GAINS.....

that boosted profits by some 5.336 million. Well the amount is significant given the total size of Oldtown's profits. Which means we need to read that note B.

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And comparing it with the same quarter last year and also comparing it with the total ytd figure, it's best one not to expect these to occur regularly.

2. Purchase of trading merchandise, food , beverages and consumables

I was interested in that amount. Oldtown purchased so much less for that period.
* This is an expense item. Obviously, the lesser the expense, the more the profits! *

Now this is where I jump to the most recent report...

What is shown is rather REVEALING.

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For the latest quarter, this expense item SHOT up. Remember the quarter in Feb, the purchase figure was only 3.3 million. This quarter it was 21.9 million.

There you go. Expense shot up, profits came down.

Now 2 things to consider.

Was it intentional that Oldown purchased so much lesser for their Feb Q results? Did they attempt to boost profits? If the company is guilty then..... why on earth do we want to trade/invest in this stock?

If it was not intentional then ok. Oh yeah, thngs like this could happen. Suppliers no stock, suppliers shipment problem etc etc...

Then of course, for the Feb Q report, despite the handsome quarterly profits, it was really reflected in its cash balances.... see below.

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Cash was actually lower.... BUT what stuck out sorely was the massive, massive rise in TRADE RECEIVABLES....

from 63 million to 92 million in 3 months.... is bloody scary.

So there we have it..... this stock jumped from 1.90+ to 3.40+ in just 3 months. The earnings reported was impressive but when we go thru its quarterly report, was this HUGE JUMP IN OLDTOWN'S STOCK PRICE JUSTIFIABLE?


This needs to be answered before even considering an attempt to trade this stock.

Oh back to the receivables issue. In the most recent result quarterly, the company said...

The Group has provided for doubtful debts of the overdue trade receivable accounts
amounted to RM4.76 million


Huh !!!!

In Feb report, trade receivables jumped from 63 to 92 million. Now we read the company needs to provide for doubtful debts. So the profits is adjusted lower by 4.76 million.

WOW!

If we put 2 and 2 together, ie put the purchase issue and this trade receivables issue together.........
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2 and 2 together hmm.gif.

Purchase Issue: Rising raw materials cost hence increase in trade materials? However, looks intentional laugh.gif

Trade receivables Issue: From the problems in their cafe chains? Franchised outlets having trouble to pay Oldtown?

Two together: Less profit

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post May 29 2017, 05:16 AM

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Man if Boon did not make detail explanation of oldtown, i would've never know. Long way to learn to study FA
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post May 29 2017, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ May 28 2017, 09:06 PM)
2 and 2 together  hmm.gif

Purchase Issue: Rising raw materials cost hence increase in trade materials?  However, looks intentional  laugh.gif

Trade receivables Issue: From the problems in their cafe chains? Franchised outlets having trouble to pay Oldtown?

Two together: Less profit
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Purchasing Issue: What is not good is the possibility that the management withheld purchases for that Feb Q and pushed all deliveries to the May quarter. That would easily made that Feb quarter results look extremely good.

Trade receivables. The problem is that for the Feb quarter, receivables went from 63 million to 92 million in 3 month. In May report, receivables suddenly went back down to 63 million along with a 4.76 bad debt provision. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif


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post May 29 2017, 07:24 AM

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QUOTE(screwedpeep @ May 28 2017, 08:37 PM)
Re Oldtown, it's also interesting to see one of the board member disposed quite an amount of share in march 2017, and continuous share disposal by Franklin Resources since Dec 2016 until May 2017...
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Ah... this is why some people advice not to trade/invest stocks with IFFY issues. This way, one AVOID stock market cliches like stock goes up, INSIDERS happily dumping their shares along the way the stock flies up... and you, the innocent, is left holding the bag.

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post May 29 2017, 09:12 PM

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Volume for AAX is getting lower. Rebound soon?
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QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ May 29 2017, 09:12 PM)
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Volume for AAX is getting lower. Rebound soon?
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[WARNING: amateur analysis tongue.gif ]
When i look at volume, i always look at its compliment; MACD and stoch RSI. While Stoch RSI might show oversold signal, MACD is still in downtrend which signal bearish trend. If I were you, i'll wait a bit more.

While i hope i am right, i could be wrong. If so, someone pls correct me. Still learning basics to TA. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 29 2017, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(screwedpeep @ May 29 2017, 09:58 PM)
[WARNING: amateur analysis  tongue.gif ]
When i look at volume, i always look at its compliment; MACD and stoch RSI. While Stoch RSI might show oversold signal, MACD is still in downtrend which signal bearish trend. If I were you, i'll wait a bit more.

While i hope i am right, i could be wrong. If so, someone pls correct me. Still learning basics to TA.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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RSI indicates oversold

but AA stocks FA very complicated

btw i am not buying, holding or selling

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post May 29 2017, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(screwedpeep @ May 29 2017, 09:58 PM)
[WARNING: amateur analysis  tongue.gif ]
When i look at volume, i always look at its compliment; MACD and stoch RSI. While Stoch RSI might show oversold signal, MACD is still in downtrend which signal bearish trend. If I were you, i'll wait a bit more.

While i hope i am right, i could be wrong. If so, someone pls correct me. Still learning basics to TA.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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boon always look for a signal or confirmation of chart for entry. brows.gif
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post May 29 2017, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ May 29 2017, 09:12 PM)
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Volume for AAX is getting lower. Rebound soon?
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In scenarios like these, it's not conclusive at this point of time. Yes the volume appears to be drying up at this moment but for me, it's merely indicating that those who want to sell because they were 'caught' (what were they thinking really) by the recent piss poor earnings from AAX had already sold.

BUT the recent rally which started since end April, had attracted far too many bullish traders on basically what is really a week fundamental stock.... and my interpretation is that there a fair big share who hadn't sold... YET.

So unless there is a real solid catalyst to trade/punt this stock again, I am afraid any technical rebound might not be substantial and could well be very short lived.

my 3 sens la.





ps. this is a nasty dangerous habit to be continuously looking at such falling stock. All you need is ONE real nasty bugger and you could get yourself badly burned. take care hor. I really do mean well. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 30 2017, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(screwedpeep @ May 29 2017, 09:58 PM)
[WARNING: amateur analysis  tongue.gif ]
When i look at volume, i always look at its compliment; MACD and stoch RSI. While Stoch RSI might show oversold signal, MACD is still in downtrend which signal bearish trend. If I were you, i'll wait a bit more.

While i hope i am right, i could be wrong. If so, someone pls correct me. Still learning basics to TA.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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For a beginner, it's ok to be doing what you are doing BUT as you progress on, all these indicators aren't really very safe and could be risky if you over rely on it. Indicators are just indicators and it's based on past traded data. Which means it's lagging. wink.gif

For example, if you mix a slow indicator and use it to trade a very short time frame, you might easily end up with plenty of nasty indicators and you suddenly feel all indicators are bull shit.

Trust me ... it will happen as you evolve as a trader.

My advice always.... be patient. the market will always be there. so be patient. learn your king fu well. Fight only when you are ready to fight.


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post May 30 2017, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ May 29 2017, 10:27 PM)
boon always look for a signal or confirmation of chart for entry. brows.gif
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I believe you need to find a real reason to trade a stock la.
This usually works out best.
Else you be trading what the chart wants you to trade.
And if not careful, the chart can easily make a fool out of all your money.


ps... you have improved a lot hor. I can see it one.... thumbsup.gif
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post May 30 2017, 12:11 AM

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forgot to post it...

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the chunk of recent volume.... possibility of stale bull.

better watch.... see if AAX drop to 39 sen or not. Watch the reaction there. Will buyers come out supporting the stock.

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post May 30 2017, 09:37 AM

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Adoi, sold all of my holdings at support. Didn't wait for confirmation....
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post May 30 2017, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(hehe86 @ May 30 2017, 09:37 AM)
Adoi, sold all of my holdings at support. Didn't wait for confirmation....
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Sold Sign eh?

See I tried to tell u....

Anyway just remember... during times like this, fundamenals is important.

What's the saying with when the tide and the naked buggers swimming again?
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post May 30 2017, 09:42 AM

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Not SIGN leh, i don't have this stock. EOD later i share the chart. lol
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post May 30 2017, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(Coup De Grace @ May 29 2017, 09:12 PM)
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Volume for AAX is getting lower. Rebound soon?
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Oh...another thing on volume.

In cases like this...
On one hand you can say the selling has dried out....
But you cannot discount the opposite that buying demand has evaporated....

Remember AAX is a 4 billion plus share.
Without the volume, this share is not going anywhere...
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post May 30 2017, 10:30 AM

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Looks like buying volume is returning to Hibiscus. +17% today. Must be the news below:

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Petronas okays Hibiscus’ purchase of Shell stake in Sabah venture
Read more at http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...Xgj0ZMheK36p.99


However:
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PETALING JAYA: Hibiscus Petroleum Bhd saw its net profit in the third quarter (Q3) ended March 31, 2017 slump 92% to RM6.5 million, against RM80.5 million in the previous corresponding quarter.
http://www.thesundaily.my/news/2017/05/24/...rofit-slumps-92


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post May 30 2017, 11:37 AM

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Selling manyak kuat juga wo
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post May 30 2017, 04:33 PM

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..... and this is the accident waiting to happen.... 100xPE


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