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okyjace
post Apr 2 2019, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Apr 2 2019, 12:43 AM)
So how’s the market? Public Bank on sale now.

Looks like OPR gonna cut rate based on market trading

Export theme dead fish come alive?

Trading discussions.

Tech - over saturated, fierce competition from China will drown local player

Oil and gas - neither here or there, many company still have big debt to settle

Furniture - slightly positive, still 2 more quarter to judge?

Gloves - positive, but many company still selling at a premium price

Plastic theme - I think this is better among all the above, stable oil price, low resin cost

Timber/fiberboard - many counter are trading a huge discount, value trap or big opportunity?
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Wonder if PBBANK will fall some more. So many times previously did not buy when it dropped, then regret later.
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post Apr 5 2019, 01:57 PM

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PBBANK has quickly recovered to 23. Anyone pick up earlier at 22.50?
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post Apr 9 2019, 08:25 PM

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post Apr 10 2019, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 31 2019, 09:45 PM)
Well said  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Q1 2019 has ended. only ~130 companies in KLSE actually posted profit growth for last 2 consecutive quarters  whistling.gif
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This has to be said hor... and it's rather normal I guess. LOL! tongue.gif

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~130 .... That's sounds good enough for a single duck hunter like me.... hehe...


Yup, many tend to be watching the forest and not the trees.... laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Apr 10 2019, 09:41 AM

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Biggest in the world does not mean kacang if the said company cannot produce good earnings. Yes, earnings report is important and if one buy and hold and HOPE THAT THE MARKET WILL CORRECT THEIR INITIAL INVESTMENT/TRADING MISTAKE will only find the market is a cruel sadistic sob who doesn't give a hoot about you.

Yes, having strong conviction/belief in your own research and strategy is important, very important as I very much believe in it too but I also find it extremely important the extreme thin fine line between having a strong conviction and being utterly stubborn and what kills in the stock market is being utterly stubbornly wrong.

Imagine one bought Karex around 2.00. Price now?

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All the patience would not help one single bit. One should have admit they are blardy wrong to buy at 2.00 and should have cut loss long, long, long ago. There's no shame in cutting loss. It's not a blardy sin and don't die foolishly listening to others.

And averaging down? Yeah, and some call it dollar cost averaging. LOL! I only call it BUYING MORE OF YOUR MISTAKES.

Anyway, for Karex, at 2.00, how much can you actually average down? Mind doing a real count? whistling.gif

Oh, the stock is rather active today.

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How?

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okyjace
post Apr 10 2019, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(pmaxv @ Apr 9 2019, 09:25 PM)
I think PBBANK is a bit overvalued. And with the current tough operating environment it's definitely going to go down a bit. Actually has been falling like waterfall these past few days.
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Back down to 22.50. Agree that this stock has enjoyed higher valuation compared to peers for the longest time. Nonetheless, if it falls another 10%, I will probably buy more.
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post Apr 10 2019, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(okyjace @ Apr 10 2019, 11:59 AM)
Back down to 22.50. Agree that this stock has enjoyed higher valuation compared to peers for the longest time. Nonetheless, if it falls another 10%, I will probably buy more.
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Hello.

So what's your game plan?

ie for example, what's your expectation? What's your target price for this stock?

Then what's your downside risk management? Do you even have one? Or are you gonna do the drop more by more strategy?

Now you had already acknowledged that it had enjoyed higher valuation compared to peers for the longest time already. And now as you would have already known, from the earnings perspective also, growth had already stagnated for more than a couple of years already. The simplest question of course is what if earnings disappoint? Are you prepare for it?

Coupled with a current dividend yield in the low 3%, do you really much incentive to hold this stock at current price?

Factor in the risk vs the reward, is this the best value for your money?


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post Apr 10 2019, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 10 2019, 09:41 AM)
Biggest in the world does not mean kacang if the said company cannot produce good earnings. Yes, earnings report is important and if one buy and hold and HOPE THAT THE MARKET WILL CORRECT THEIR INITIAL INVESTMENT/TRADING MISTAKE will only find the market is a cruel sadistic sob who doesn't give a hoot about you.

Yes, having strong conviction/belief in your own research and strategy is important, very important as I very much believe in it too but I also find it extremely important the extreme thin fine line between having a strong conviction and being utterly stubborn and what kills in the stock market is being utterly stubbornly wrong.

Imagine one bought Karex around 2.00. Price now?

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All the patience would not help one single bit. One should have admit they are blardy wrong to buy at 2.00 and should have cut loss long, long, long ago. There's no shame in cutting loss. It's not a blardy sin and don't die foolishly listening to others.

And averaging down? Yeah, and some call it dollar cost averaging. LOL! I only call it BUYING MORE OF YOUR MISTAKES.

Anyway, for Karex, at 2.00, how much can you actually average down? Mind doing a real count? whistling.gif

Oh, the stock is rather active today.

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How?

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I bought liao around 0.43 brows.gif

Long time no kacau ah boon tongue.gif

Downtrend stock better becareful, i got cut a few time by misjudgement, better look at volume, MA and line for a clearer judgement. For example glove counter is on the downtrend now, all this are merely rebound.

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post Apr 10 2019, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Apr 10 2019, 02:41 PM)
I bought liao around 0.43 brows.gif

Long time no kacau ah boon tongue.gif

Downtrend stock better becareful, i got cut a few time by misjudgement, better look at volume, MA and line for a clearer judgement. For example glove counter is on the downtrend now, all this are merely rebound.
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Dah kena terkacau by Ah Tan... cry.gif

LOL!


Wah... so you bought around 43 sen.

Ho ho ho....

So you bought just based on Ah Chart ah?

As it is, trailing eps only 0.61 sen only wo... innocent.gif

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post Apr 10 2019, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 10 2019, 03:11 PM)
Dah kena terkacau by Ah Tan...  cry.gif

LOL!
Wah... so you bought around 43 sen.

Ho ho ho....

So you bought just based on Ah Chart ah?

As it is, trailing eps only 0.61 sen only wo...   innocent.gif
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Yes the ah chart already show reversal of downtrend based on volume surge + break up downtrend line + above MA20. (Must fulfill 3 criteria, lack of anyone will not consider as reversal of trend)

I kena a lot of times and i learn the harsh lesson, if u look at fundamental sure won't buy, ah chart told me the worst is over so i leave it there lah.

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post Apr 10 2019, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Apr 10 2019, 03:17 PM)
Yes the ah chart already show reversal of downtrend based on volume surge + break up downtrend line + above MA20. (Must fulfill 3 criteria, lack of anyone will not consider as reversal of trend)

I kena a lot of times and i learn the harsh lesson, if u look at fundamental sure won't buy, ah chart told me the worst is over so i leave it there lah.
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It's ok la... we all trade differently. Something like FGV, isn't it? How many would have dared to buy below 70 sen recently?


This one thing hor....

What I can do, you might not be able to....
What you can do, I surely cannot....

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Like I said many times b4, we should only play what we are good at...
In order to do that, we need to thoroughly know what we can and what we cannot do....


And yes, if one scans through, one could see many had 'probably' seen the worst of the recent 'downturn'....





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post Apr 10 2019, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 10 2019, 03:35 PM)
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It's ok la... we all trade differently. Something like FGV, isn't it? How many would have dared to buy below 70 sen recently?
This one thing hor....

What I can do, you might not be able to....
What you can do, I surely cannot....

innocent.gif

Like I said many times b4, we should only play what we are good at...
In order to do that, we need to thoroughly know what we can and what we cannot do.... 
And yes, if one scans through, one could see many had 'probably' seen the worst of the recent 'downturn'....
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past 1 year is really bad because most of the 2/3rd liner stock dive down right after the changes of government and that's why i hardly visit here. Practice a set of cut loss point if u intend to trade.

Look like u earn a lot from FGV eh brows.gif
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post Apr 10 2019, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Apr 10 2019, 03:39 PM)
past 1 year is really bad because most of the 2/3rd liner stock dive down right after the changes of government and that's why i hardly visit here. Practice a set of cut loss point if u intend to trade.

Look like u earn a lot from FGV eh brows.gif
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LOL! Still trying to fish something out of me, eh?

Nah. I did not trade FGV la. Earn 0 kacang.

Sold my one stock towards end of 2017. Nothing to trade after that, as things slowly gotten worst as Donald Duck started talking and doing utter crab. :x
Am holding one position since end last year. whistling.gif

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post Apr 10 2019, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 10 2019, 03:44 PM)
LOL! Still trying to fish something out of me, eh?

Nah. I did not trade FGV la. Earn 0 kacang.

Sold my one stock towards end of 2017. Nothing to trade after that, as things slowly gotten worst as Donald Duck started talking and doing utter crab. :x
Am holding one position since end last year. whistling.gif

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Typical ah boon laugh.gif laugh.gif

Nvm lah each has their own preference, IWCITY and Ekovest is back again
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post Apr 10 2019, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Apr 10 2019, 03:48 PM)
Typical ah boon laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Nvm lah each has their own preference, IWCITY and Ekovest is back again
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Same old same old la.......

How to change?


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post Apr 12 2019, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 10 2019, 01:15 PM)
Hello.

So what's your game plan?

ie for example, what's your expectation? What's your target price for this stock?

Then what's your downside risk management? Do you even have one? Or are you gonna do the drop more by more strategy?

Now you had already acknowledged that it had enjoyed higher valuation compared to peers for the longest time already. And now as you would have already known, from the earnings perspective also, growth had already stagnated for more than a couple of years already. The simplest question of course is what if earnings disappoint? Are you prepare for it?

Coupled with a current dividend yield in the low 3%, do you  really much incentive to hold this stock at current price?

Factor in the risk vs the reward, is this the best value for your money?
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Just answering honestly. Game plan is to hold and enjoy dividends plus capital appreciation. No target price. If public bank stops its trend of gradual price appreciation, then I will stop accumulating this stock and use the dividends to reinvest in other counters. 3% dividend yield plus more than 2% price appreciation would be good enough for me. Currently, I don't have a strategy of trading to take advantage of downward price fluctuations.
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post Apr 12 2019, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(okyjace @ Apr 12 2019, 10:48 AM)
Just answering honestly. Game plan is to hold and enjoy dividends plus capital appreciation. No target price. If public bank stops its trend of gradual price appreciation, then I will stop accumulating this stock and use the dividends to reinvest in other counters. 3% dividend yield plus more than 2% price appreciation would be good enough for me. Currently, I don't have a strategy of trading to take advantage of downward price fluctuations.
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All stocks carries downside risk.
There are no exceptions.

Therefore, the 2% price price appreciation should not be taken as a sure thing...

Plus if you invest carries only a 3% yield, it makes no difference in investing in a money market instrument like fd.

The question again remains.... is this the best value for money?

I stressed this point as I have seen many try to play the market and hope to win just kopi money. This doesn't make sense as shares investing involves lots of money. To bet big money to make small money, just doesn't make sense. And the bigger issue is what if the market turns or collapse? Will you dump or will you hold? Or would you put more money to support your losing position?

Me? I play to win big. If I see only small rewards, I rather stay away and wait for better looking odds offered.

I know, different strokes.. and I am just sharing some different opinions why I would shy away from a big name stock like pbbank at current prices. And if I had really wanted to, I would wait for pbbank to trade at yields over 4.5%.

3 sen.

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post Apr 12 2019, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 12 2019, 12:21 PM)
All stocks carries downside risk.
There are no exceptions.

Therefore, the 2% price price appreciation should not be taken as a sure thing...

Plus if you invest carries only a 3% yield, it makes no difference in investing in a money market instrument like fd.

The question again remains.... is this the best value for money?

I stressed this point as I have seen many try to play the market and hope to win just kopi money. This doesn't make sense as shares investing involves lots of money. To bet big money to make small money,  just doesn't make sense. And the bigger issue is what if the market turns or collapse? Will you dump or will you hold? Or would you put more money to support your losing position?

Me? I play to win big. If I see only small rewards, I rather stay away and wait for better looking odds offered.

I know, different strokes.. and I am just sharing some different opinions why I would shy away from a big name stock like pbbank at current prices. And if I had really wanted to, I would wait for pbbank to trade at yields over 4.5%.

3 sen.
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Thanks for advice. This counter is just a small percentage of my portfolio. In the current market conditions, I personally think it is not a bad counter to hold. For higher risk higher returns, I recently bought some O&G counters.
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post Apr 12 2019, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(okyjace @ Apr 12 2019, 12:00 PM)
Thanks for advice. This counter is just a small percentage of my portfolio. In the current market conditions, I personally think it is not a bad counter to hold. For higher risk higher returns, I recently bought some O&G counters.
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Just sharing opinion. You are always entitled to disagree.

GL
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post Apr 18 2019, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Apr 10 2019, 03:48 PM)
Typical ah boon laugh.gif  laugh.gif

Nvm lah each has their own preference, IWCITY and Ekovest is back again
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Sure you don't miss me?

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