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post Feb 18 2025, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Feb 18 2025, 09:42 AM)
5200 is at JEDEC speed and at JEDEC specs the timing is CL42. Such specs real world perf will be abysmal even worse than DDR4 3600 due to huge latency penalty.
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Have fun troubleshooting when running into stability issue when the baked in XMP/EXPO profile doesn't work. whistling.gif
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post Feb 18 2025, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Feb 18 2025, 12:31 PM)
Hahahahaha... very painful wei.. expo ram sux
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My kit has been working well, followed official spec though.

QUOTE(derthvadar @ Feb 18 2025, 02:02 PM)
If I'm not mistaken, it has been proven to run at 6000MHz with no issues.
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Feel free to go ahead if you know the existence of this risk. wink.gif
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post Mar 8 2025, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 8 2025, 12:46 PM)
4060 Ti 16GB? Thats another overpriced crap.
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The only reason to get that card is to run slightly larger LLM which requires you to fit in entire model in memory. However the 128-bit memory is holding back quite a bit on the inference speed. wink.gif
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post Apr 4 2025, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Apr 4 2025, 05:49 PM)
Running games via VMs i think will need 64 GB RAM.
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This needs GPU virtualization, which is not officially supported in consumer line card.
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post Apr 9 2025, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(sohakyee @ Apr 9 2025, 10:19 AM)
Hi
Few years back there is one pc shop e-tech in Kepong offering good prices, seems to have to changed to ETEX now, not sure.
Can recommend one tq
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Yes, they changed name after dispute between shareholders.
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post Apr 13 2025, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(respectmypm @ Apr 13 2025, 12:39 PM)
hi all. just want to know whether this set up is balance or not. price are from czone.  mainly use for trading stocks/futures, facebook and maybe dota 2 back if i have time.. if it is too overkill, can suggest me to downgrade so can save a few bucks. thanks!
RYZEN 5 9600x 1149
ASROCK B850I LIGHTNING WIFI 1099
TRINDENT Z5 NEO 16gb x2 509
ASUS RTX 4060 8GB PROART OC 1649
SAMSUNG 990 PRO 1TB 599
corsair RME (5.0) 750w 529
LANCOOL 216 RGB ATX BLACK 459
thermalright PEERLESS ASSASSIN BLK /  179

total RM6172.
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Ryzen 7 8700G RM1419
MSI B650M Gaming Plus WiFi 799
Kingston Fury Beast DDR5-5600 EXPO 64GB Kit RM689
Kingston KC3000 1TB RM389
Lian Li A3 RM319
Silverstone DA750R Gold (5.0) RM409

Total: RM4024

The onboard Radeon 780M already can handle DotA 2 well. wink.gif The 750W PSU leaves room for you to add GPU later on when you play more demanding games.

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post Apr 14 2025, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Apr 14 2025, 03:07 AM)
Why not a 8600G?  I think a 2 core deficit is unlikely to make a difference in everyday use icon_idea.gif
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No objection. laugh.gif
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post May 8 2025, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(TheBladeRunner @ May 8 2025, 07:01 PM)
I decided to just pick all the parts (cpu, ram, ssd, psu) from one seller and motherboard will get from lazada or shopee seller (bright star). I watch enough review and check the spec to target msi gaming plus wifi board.
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If you plan to use this machine until AM6, the one without plus work just fine with 7500F. The VRM anxiety is too overwhelming.
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post May 8 2025, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(TheBladeRunner @ May 8 2025, 08:44 PM)
i watch reviews complain about vrm even cheapo 699 am5 board got harsh reviews (the Hardware Unbox channel). this is why makes it difficult to pick board with budget in mind. now add lowyat people here also say about bad vrm.
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laugh.gif They are still fine with 65W models.
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post May 9 2025, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 8 2025, 11:22 PM)
Unless they could use better materials to make CPUs. I'm expecting more power hungry CPUs in the future. Die shrinking is becoming hard and more expensive.
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That is due to having stupidly high default clock speed that goes all over the voltage-frequency curve sweet spot. sweat.gif
Anyway AM5 has already laid out the power standard - 35W, 65W, 105W, 120W, 170W. Having PBO ECO@65W is perfectly capable for any games. Anything above are for sustaining full core clock speed when running multithreaded workloads.

We could see Zen 6 uses lower power at same clock speed. They swapped the interconnect to silicon interposer, so the power spent in Infinity Fabric will be way lower. cool2.gif

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ May 9 2025, 10:48 AM)
OP is looking for future proofing so likely want to upgrade CPU to something better later years and for that will need a beefier VRM setup, not just cukup makan for a 7500F today. Better spend a bit more now than to regret later.
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He mentioned for Ryzen 7 only. icon_idea.gif 9700X is 65W. Having it to run at 95W only boost multi core performance.
For those who are looking for X3D, just go ahead with B850 boards directly. wink.gif
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post May 10 2025, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ May 9 2025, 10:36 PM)
Newer Agesa bios boosted X CPUS back to 105W and thats before PBO which will boost to whatever watt as long as can stay under 95C. Pisspoor VRM mobos will cook itself to death.
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Ah nope, it doesn't. It is opt in. wink.gif
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post May 10 2025, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(TheBladeRunner @ May 10 2025, 01:05 PM)
Need to ask about ddr5 ram.

a) Kingson fury beast - 5200mhz
b) kingston kvr - 5600mhz

The fury beast is expensive while the kvr is cheaper. is the kvr better value because of its cost and faster mhz?
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There is also latency to consider. Fury Beast comes with higher quality chip and does sell with 2 sticks kit for best compatibility to run at the rated speed.
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post May 10 2025, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(TheBladeRunner @ May 10 2025, 02:31 PM)
But how much of a difference that will make? Its 5200 on the fury beast against 5600 on the value ram.
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7500F right? The official speed from AMD is 5200. icon_rolleyes.gif Anything above are not guaranteed to work as there are other factors in play, namely CPU's memory controller quality, motherboard's memory path trace design and BIOS tuning.
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QUOTE(myway1985 @ May 11 2025, 10:03 PM)
Comparison...haha.. for work AMD sux...
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AI stuffs are mostly crazily open source. AMD works just fine in the ecosystem. wink.gif CPU will only do some data manipulation & transfer, too slow/inefficient for performing inference in practice due to limited memory bandwidth.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ May 13 2025, 11:10 AM)
anyone know the reliability of Huananzhi or Maxsun B650 motherboards? planning to buy one just for internet surfing rig.
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Ignore. BIOS update is a big question mark. Better off getting a 5600G + MSI A520M-A Pro board for that purpose. You also save money from cheaper processor & RAM.

QUOTE(steevan1000 @ May 14 2025, 08:58 AM)
i wont go subscribe that much of assets, it makes the loading time crazy long

back to the topic. is ryzen cpu really good for such types of late game? ryzen always has less core than intel
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Intel has fewer performance cores. The rest are small cores that has no chance against even Zen 4C. yawn.gif Having more cores also doesn't scale linearly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ May 14 2025, 10:53 AM)
A520 is only limited to Gen3 PCIE so means if slot in any GPU or SSD in future will be limited to Gen3 speeds. China mobo should work as long as it supports the CPU from factory.
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Doesn't matter. He is only using it for web.
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post May 16 2025, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ May 15 2025, 04:00 PM)
I've been checking CPU on AliExpress. I don't understand this situation:
seller A. sell processor B. processor B has prices X,Y,Z. all are tray units.
why multiple prices?
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They binned the chips themselves.
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post May 17 2025, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ May 16 2025, 08:50 PM)
anyone know where is the cheapest place to buy Thermalright fans? from what I've checked, Amazon seems cheaper than platform?
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Personally I won't suggest going for that. My past experience with them has been bad. Go for Arctic F12/P12. wink.gif
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post May 18 2025, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ May 17 2025, 10:53 PM)
Heck even an el cheapo SATA SSD is way more sufficient laugh.gif
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SATA SSD is pretty much stuck since 2 years ago. Market moved on to NVME and manufacturer no longer make new controller for refresh. We are left with DRAM-less models without HMB (SATA has no HMB capability after all). mega_shok.gif

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