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 [OFFICIAL]Rig Suggestion Q&A Thread V13!

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post Apr 26 2023, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(targon @ Apr 26 2023, 10:17 AM)
He's reluctant to spend the moolah. Initially asking whats best gpu for 1k. Then he says want to game at 4k. So no point for you to suggest even those 65 watt i7 and even 4090.
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Understandable in these times of high inflation and our RM like shit, but one must be realistic and cannot be expecting to get good stuff cheaply.

A 5K budget should be plenty sufficient to get what I proposed plus the reuse. And to get up up to 4K high with RT will need another 8-9K later on.
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post Apr 26 2023, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Apr 26 2023, 11:02 AM)
Thank you. Very valid points.
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Actually my PC is definitely in need of an upgrade seriously but I need to really think what is important right now vs cost.

- main priority of upgrading PC to play Blue Protocol at 60fps on 1440p or 4k
- most of my gaming now on the PlayStation 5
- may not buy any AAA titles on the PC due to above unless the title really requires mouse and keyboard to play nicely (eg: MMO)
- didn't really utilize the cpu processor throughout these 11 years only with very occassional picture editing.
- pc indeed needs a total upgrade (had tons of issues throughout the years, freezing, WiFi constantly not working, USB power failures, very small 120GB SSD for the OS, pc cant even work with my RM1k USB DAC, etc) but these issues I can still tolerate.
Thinking of getting the GPU first (new rx6700xt or used rx6800) and see how much does it bottleneck. If bottleneck is too heavy, will proceed to upgrade entire system. If a miracle happens and the gpu bottlenecks but I can still get 60fps on either 1440p ultra or 4k high on Blue Protocol, I dont need to upgrade my cpu+mobo+RAM+SSD for now.
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Honestly ur current rig is way too old for any meaningful upgrade if intend to play at 2K or 4K. Even if you shove in a 4090, everything else will bottleneck it.

If financially too tight but willing to spend when you save up, try this;

1) Upgrade GPU to 6700/6750XT or 6800. This will give you a decent FPS base for 1080 High or 2K mid.
2) Then later on full system upgrade(reuse the GPU) I suggested in a year in preparation for 4K(but i doubt you can still get Intel ADL stuff)
3) Then later on the GPU & PSU upgrade for 4K high

But No2 is tricky as older gen gets replaced from the market. If u dont get this year, ur bound to spend more for 13700+B760+DDR5 next year or so. In that case I'd put No2 as No1 priority.

If you spend low like the system you ask for, ur bound to need to upgrade the CPU later on so spending even more money down the line.

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post Apr 27 2023, 01:53 AM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Apr 26 2023, 02:23 PM)
Thanks. Yes I plan to do steps 1-2 for now.

Just curious u mentioned

Do you mean cpu and mobo prices expected to go up next year and so on?
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13700 being newer means more expensive and 12700 might be gone by then, B760 mobos are pricier than B660 many which are now DDR5 only, and generally DDR5 is far more expensive vs DDR4.
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post Apr 27 2023, 09:17 AM

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Let me say this again, those who intend to get DDR5 system, it doesn't make sense to get anything less than 6000MHZ as anything less (ie 5200) will merely be equivalent to DDR4 3600MHZ (this even at regular CL18 memories which are cheap in comparison). So ur paying more for no speed benefits.

To really see a clear speed difference from regular DDR4, you'd have to start from DDR5 6800MHZ RAMs

If anyone needs more proof;
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Neither does the proposition of DDR5 futureproofing makes sense here if going for slow RAM speeds, as anytime you could fully populate DDR4 slots for much cheaper cost.
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post Apr 28 2023, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(busorenkin666 @ Apr 27 2023, 10:33 PM)
Not exactly a rig building question.
How do I start to build my PC?
Based on youtube, the process seem simple and intuitive.
But how do i actually start or more importantly, how do i hunt for reasonably priced or cheap part?
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You start with websites such as these https://www.cgdirector.com/
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post Apr 28 2023, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Apr 27 2023, 12:41 PM)
Wait infinity fabric gear 1 la..haha
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Ryzen 7000series isnt that compelling either in this chart, and going up higher resolutions, RAM speeds matters even less so DDR5 is moot.

Maybe at 10k speeds there is a significant result, which is something we could wait for when DDR5 matures years later but not right now when real world perf is nearly the same with DDR4.

Imho again, DDR5 is just to infant to get into right now. When DDR4 launched it came at 1600MHZ now affordable standard sticks are double that speeds (3200), so if and when I want to upgrade, I would only do so when DDR5 9600MHZ kits is standard and affordable, and mobos could support it as standard XMP/EXPO.

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post Apr 28 2023, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Apr 27 2023, 11:20 PM)
Tomahawk (and the equivalent Mortar for M boards) are just about the best you can get which is value for money. Sure there are more expensive Strix or Aorus but these are more bling than functional/features, and if ur not into extreme OCing.
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post Apr 28 2023, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(Chiggah @ Apr 28 2023, 07:29 AM)
If I can get a mint condition 3080 at rm1300, would that be a good buy ? Or better go for 4070 ? Still seems pricey.

Which motherboard and cpu do you recommend to pair it with ?
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You can read what reviewers says
https://www.techspot.com/review/2663-nvidia...force-rtx-4070/

Or what youtuber says


But at the end of the day it boils down to how much you like fake frames. At native they perform similarly, but 4070 can turn on DLSS3 to boost FPS.

PS. OTOH 3080 will output a lot more heat so ur surrounding will be hotter in effect. And just cuz seller says its mint doesnt mean anything unless you knew how it was used in its lifetime (or was brand new as a display piece or something).

As for the rest of the system, it depends what you want to do with it; work applications or gaming, 1080P or 2K or 4K, how much you budget....

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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 1 2023, 07:58 PM)
Try

Core i3-12100 - 558
MSI B660M-E - 419
Kingston HyperX 8GB DDR4-3200 X2 - 188
Kingston KC3000 1TB - 349
Gigabyte P450B PSU - 116

RM1630 total (Shopee prices)
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Pay a bit more for MSI B660M-A for wifi
And I wouldn't touch Giga fire hazard PSUs.
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post May 3 2023, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(Tealifos @ May 2 2023, 06:33 PM)
Hi looking to buy new pc
Is there any shop that can complete in 3-4 hours beside viewnet?

Im more into aesthetic good looking pc with rgb(black and white theme)
Budget: 8k max
CPU: pls suggest
GPU: looking for something that can last long that is best mid gpu that can at least play 4k (playable but not high end like 4k120fps)so no need upgrade at least 5 years. Maybe got rgb or some light at the fan. And nvidia .
GAME : mostly dota 2 which dont need high end gpu but at least on ps5 level for future
Cooler: nzxt kraken z series
Motherboard: suggest
RAM: suggest
SSD: suggest
HDD : wd caviar blue 4tb
Power supply: suggest
Casing: im interested in nzxt h510 elite white or hyte y60 white (black n white theme)
Add on: lian li strimmer v2, nzxt aer 120/140 fans, rgb tube for aio
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Any particular reason why must be complete in 3-4 hours? And with such a tight budget for 4K, its either you prioritise bling or performance. No way can get both with such low budget (need at least 10k)
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QUOTE(myway1985 @ May 2 2023, 10:02 PM)
I7-13700 rm1759
B760 P wifi D4 RM830
64GB 3200mhz Jedec ram RM650
512gb Kingston kc3000 gen 4 rm279
colorful rtx 4070 NB RM2899
corsair RM850e gold Rm599
Valkryie GL360 RM539
Lianli Lancool 215X RM329

RM7884.. ok boh
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Colorful 4070 NB has pisspoor bling. Replace with something else for more RGB bling.

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QUOTE(targon @ May 3 2023, 12:58 AM)
Forget about the Hyte y60 unless u love to see a fish aquarium.

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LOL! When I first saw the Y60 (or a clone of it) back in 2021(?) PC Expo I thought "this is quite a unique idea of building a PC inside an aquarium but at the same time this could only be thought out by an Ahbeng modder or an enthusiast who was also into aquariums". I didn't realise it would be such a hit that even Utubers clamour to review it! LOL!

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QUOTE(Tealifos @ May 3 2023, 02:24 PM)
true but i find that expensive elctronic things does make us more satisfy ? ex apple product/high end android phone
thanks for the suggestion
thanks for the suggestion
didnt like the casing design and i prefer something that doesnt have mesh or those small dots at the fans. it help with airflow but didnt like the design. top and bottom still ok
was thinking the same too. buy few parts first then complete it but cpu/gpu is important for the pc to work. im thinking to use old gpu, ram, some fans for a while ..but others should be ok to proceed ? i kinda need to use it urgent since i dont hve any working pc. got laptop but too slow now (lenovo y50 2014) and prefer dekstop

nzxt h9 does look nice but looks big
i need to use it urgent for work since i dont hve any working pc. got laptop but too slow now (lenovo y50 2014) and prefer dekstop
yes i priotise bling because performance is always something that we need to upgrade in future and i dont have any kind of game/task that rquire high performance as of now but i didnt want my rig to look empty also as we will see it evryday
but im also not looking for low end gpu bcause there might be possibility to upgrade within 2 years
at first didnt really like it ..but its a unique design, something different than normal square casing, also the usb/button at the bottom makes more sense bcause nowadays ppl put rig beside monitor not under table
actually i have purchase nzxt h510 elite for around 399 but got refunded due to no stock,
if there any interesting case can suggest also but not the transformer kind of casing like cougar
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Then just focus the budget on RGB bling and forget about playing in 4K; RGB mobo from Giga Aorus or Asrock line and get full ATX size mobo as they usually have more ARGB/RGB headers, RGB ram sticks, RGB AIO & fans, RGB GPU are usually quite pricier than standard ones especially if you want to mount vertically but if traditional lying flat, then the best RGB implement GPU is Palit RTX 3060Ti with the honeycomb glow bar
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And its not that expensive, only <RM2k so you can save some money towards a proper 4K GPU later on.

Oh and don't forget the overpriced RGB SSD. It will boost ur transfer speeds faster than 12 parsecs
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QUOTE(targon @ May 3 2023, 05:44 PM)
Then i suggest u get the GPU as the last item or when u need a discrete gpu.
U can use the iGpu in the cpu first
NZXT H9 is not big or even the Dynamic XL. Wait till u see the TT Core WP100. It's what BIG really is.
NZXT 510 Elite in stock (check online)
i7 13700k
NZXT N7 Z790 (white)
NZXT Psu
NZXT Kraken Z63 + CM A1 ARGB tubing sleeve
DDR5 32 Gb
Kingston KC 3000 1Tb

No need to sacrifice anything for less bling / inferior components if u spread ur purchases.
That N7 will look great in the case
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OP ady said to prioritise bling than performance... no RGB on ram what a turnoff, no RGB on SSD what a turnoff, no GPU much less RGB GPU lagi turn off!
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QUOTE(myway1985 @ May 3 2023, 06:04 PM)
i think he dint realise his budget cant get good component.. XD
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7-8k could get a good performance system if one knows where to put the money, but if the goal is for more RGB bling then...
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QUOTE(Chiggah @ May 4 2023, 08:50 AM)
I am looking at used parts first. Which CPU best to pair with a 3080 ?

Shall I go 5600x or  5800x3d ?

Otherwise, I can consider 13600KF brand new since they seem affordable also

Budget for CPU mobo ram around 2-3K
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If you can get good used deals, 5800x3d + X570 mobo (midrange MSI or Asrock) + 16GB (8x2) DDR4 3600 /3200 RAM (can get new since DDR4 arent that expensive) + dual tower cooler (ie new SE207XT, PA120/SE, or used Fuma2, FC140, Noc D15).
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QUOTE(Chiggah @ May 4 2023, 05:48 PM)
it's ok - I choose functionality over looks. So whatever keeps the temperature cool would be best for me..

I am looking at my monitor , not PC case  biggrin.gif
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Haha, ur the opposite of Tealifos one page earlier.
If going for functionality over looks, you could go for high airflow cases; Fractal Torrent, North, Meshify, or CM TD500 or Corsair 4000D. Since ady have a capable cooler, can put that money into more RAM, 16x2 (32GB) and you likely wont need to upgrade that for the rest of its life.
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QUOTE(myway1985 @ May 7 2023, 03:17 PM)
rm850 - japan capacitor
rm850e- taiwan capacitor
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Can still get the non-E with Jap capacitors or is it being phased out for the E version?
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QUOTE(Chronotech @ May 7 2023, 08:13 PM)
Good inputs. Thanks.

Would you be able to suggest a good mATX mobo? Thinking Asus Gaming mobo or something that can match the 13900KF. Really out of touch with what is a good mobo.

I have an old pristine condition Aurora case which has the original Intel mATX mobo and 850W PSU which may be a fun project to start. The Aurora still runs but i7 2600k and the Radeon card age shows. Everything except the PSU, daughter card to control the lights and DVDRW + Blue Ray drives will be replaced. Are the mATX mobo mounting holes the same from a decade back? If anyone knows. Otherwise a good looking as compact as possible case suggestion appreciated.
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One way to know is to open up ur case and see the mobo layout. Dell are well known for proprietary design where even front usb ports are baked to the mobo but if sufficient vintage enuff that Aurora might possibly be using a standard layout MATX mobo which meant you could do a direct swap. However during that era, Dell are also a big user of BTX design, where the cooling layout is different and likely incompatible with the regular ATX/MATX. YMMV
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QUOTE(Chronotech @ May 8 2023, 09:38 PM)
It is a standard Intel manufactured mATX board so that solves one part. Before Dell started making the mobo non-standard.

You probably can guess which case I am referring to. The days when they look very nice and unique.

The reason for looking at a custom build this time is the high cost of the 4080/4090 cards. With Dell, the system does not play nice with aftermarket cards some of the time. That makes the option of starting with say a 3080 and upgrading later a risk with random issues.
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I was never enamoured by Alienware at any era. At best they were better functioning more user friendly version of Ahbeng "gamer" case made from plastic. Conventional cases those days still made from thick steel compared to those flimsy plastic case and those also trap heat like an oven cuz cooling was ever so insufficient with those gamer look cases.

For your use case, get a good airflow focused case with ventilation front, rear & top + PSU suck from bottom. Looks (or the edgy gamer) should be secondary if you intend to house a 13900K + RTX4090.

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