Gaming laptops are prone to throttle. With sustained high temperature, they don't last long. The solder joints would melt and casing would crack.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Jun 23 2024, 09:01 PM

Ryzen 7 5700X RM674
Thermalright PA120 RM139
MSI B450M Pro-VDH Max RM349
Kingston Furry DDR4-3200 32GB RAM RM359
Zotac RTX3050 8GB Solo RM1049
WD Blue SN580 1TB SSD RM359
Silverstone ST60F-ES 600W PSU RM175
Silverstone FARA 312 RM169

Total: RM3273
(3K is possible by replacing 5700X+PA120 with 5600, but you lose 2 cores, not really worth it)

ToDo : Get another 32GB RAM later to better run more VMs concurrently and form dual channel. Don't get any hybrid core processor from Intel as the VM hypervisor is not smart to figure out which core to place the VM workload.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Jul 3 2024, 06:12 AM

Ryzen 5 7500F RM779
Asrock A620M-HDV/M.2+ RM389

7800X3D is an efficient processor to start with, the board is okay. Alternatively you can go for B650M Gaming Plus WiFi at lower price.

Doesn't matter. The cheap PA120 will tame it just fine. The heat traps inside and boost will continuously kicks in, so just let the processor does what it is designed to be. If you are not comfortable with the temperature, set the limit in BIOS and done. Little clock speed reduction doesn't really hurt performance a lot.

The max temp for X3D product is lower, 89C. The main problem with the processor is it boosts very aggressively, often runs over the diminishing point. It can boost for 100MHz and you start seeing 10C increase in temperature. If you also take the full core clock & IPC into consideration, 5GHz > 5.1GHz is negligible.


Here's a figure, ignore my bad drawing. But you get the point.
Out of topic : 9600X / 9700X are way below the sweet spot

X3D lies somewhere slightly higher than the diminishing point (yeah, run into Tjmax limit), while X is way higher.

Another point is, with gaming you rarely into the full cores load (except the infamous compiling shader), so it is not really hitting Tjmax, so the headroom is there for few cores to go fast for a while.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Aug 9 2024, 12:25 PM

Diminishing returns, that's why I said if you are not happy with the default limit, set it to something lower. Losing little bit of clock speed is fine.

Check this out too.
https://youtu.be/0zqPICl5zjA?si=plVoRbkOHyvvwdXX&t=1058


This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Aug 9 2024, 07:00 PM

It is not crazy, but personal preference. If you even see ITX space, they are even enabling PBO ECO to keep the temperature low, is that crazy?

Have fun tuning it all days. Most people just want a stable machine works out of box.

Nah, I have built some Ryzen machines for laymen, enable PBO + XMP and they are good to go.

P/S : Shop told me the stock for 9700X has been delayed.

Yes 5700X3D will do the job, reuse your board & memory (>=16GB will be acceptable).


This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Aug 19 2024, 05:47 PM

Consider adding an Intel AX210 card if TS wants to use WiFi. The onboard RZ616 is bad.
The board can be switched to Gaming Plus to reduce the cost. It also comes with USB-C rear input.

That would mean TS need to even fork out extra money for BE router to make use of the card. Also, that card is expensive.

P/S : AX210 is already capable of delivering over Gigabit speed.

Board -> Switch to Gaming Plus
Cooler -> Just use the stock cooler.
RAM -> Might not run at 6000MHz since it is out of spec official. Could save a few bucks going lower speed if you don't mind, or gamble the speed.

With the amount saved from above, you could get a RTX4070 Super now.

Better in gaming, but not full core workload. 5700X3D stands better chance, but that is likely a dead end going this way.

AMD is using Promontory 21 in AM5, the key differentiator among "chipsets" are just feature sets.

6XX
A620A = 1x Promontory 19 (Yes it is B550 rebranded)
A620 = 1x Promontory 21 + Weak VRM from motherboard makers (OC is disabled).
B650 = 1x Promontory 21 + PCI-E 4.0
B650E = 1x Promontory 21 + PCI-E 5.0 (that requires motherboard makers to come up with thicker PCB for the signal integrity)
X670 = 2x Promontory 21 + PCI-E 4.0
X670E = 2x Promontory 21 + PCI-E 5.0

8XX
B840 = 1x Promontory 19 + PCI-E 3.0 ( , looks like AMD is trying to reduce the production cost with this, since PCI-E 4.0 needs 6-layers PCB. Well suited for entry level Athlon / Ryzen 3.)
B850 = 1x Promontory 21 + PCI-E 4.0
X870 = 1x Promontory 21 + PCI-E 5.0 + USB4
X870E = 2x Promontory 21 + PCI-E 5.0 + USB4
... and higher price?

From firmware side of things, they should be highly identical. From past history in AM4, motherboard makers are kind to provide many BIOS updates, so I feel comfortable going 600 series. Heck, MSI is still uploading new firmware for B350!

The key attraction point is USB4 (Thunderbolt 3 & DP alt mode), but some might feel it is wasted as it occupies 4 PCI-E lanes from CPU, where they could have used it for an extra NVMe slot.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Aug 25 2024, 07:49 PM

Out of official spec*.
There is no guarantee if you can run anything faster than this. You could still get 6000MT RAM and run it at slower speed that the processor + board can accept, you would pay a bit premium in this case.

Core Ultra 200 will be available that time too.

Looks like Core Ultra will become irrelevant with the new Windows patch.

Hold your Intel purchase first if you are going after 13700/13900/14700/14900. The degradation fix remains to be validated yet, only time will tell.

Motherboard vendors are more clever in doing that kind of thing.

https://store.acer.com/en-my/acer-consumer-...cpjtoWo8zNBqDAo
This? The product is e-waste. N100 is only suitable for headless operation. GUI is too heavy.