Feel free to dig more news.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11110/semi-c...flaw-discovered

Also reread what I wrote. Did I mention AMD is more stable than Intel?

You didn't get the point, do you?

Let me be clear here : You can't simply do a blanket statement like A is more stable than B, as simple as it is. Both camp have their own issues.

This is a better way to avoid any initial release Both camps are prioritizing winning the competition over quality. Silicon price have been stagnant over the years, so they are not really giving heavy focus on architectural improvement as larger silicon costs more. Clock speed is way cheaper way to give performance.

We are going to see more "stability" issues down the road as the chip starts degrading due to high voltage, be it Intel or AMD. Processors are more vulnerable now and implicitly it helps to boost sales. From perspective of companies, who doesn't like it?

XMP/EXPO = out of spec. I emphasize again. Want to be stable? Just run everything on official spec (Zen2/Zen3 - 3200MHz, Zen5 - 3200-5200MHz). This is the baseline. Anything above is icing on cake. You compare baseline to baseline, not something with luck.
I won't say BIOS update is risky when you have board with flashing BIOS via pendrive. Not willing to take rise? Refer above.

I manage a fleet of Xeon Silver servers from Dell by professional and there are more production issues like BSOD + memory check failure than my Ryzen machines. Mind you, those are server part + with ECC RAMs + for sure running on stock. But still I don't make such general conclusion.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Apr 14 2024, 06:02 PM

You do aware that there are XMP sticks with JEDEC speed right? There is also commitment on motherboard vendor on tuning the BIOS to better support all sort of RAM sticks, aka QVL (take it as a brief reference since CPU IMC are made differently as well). Always consider the baseline, not something extra when you target stability. If you can't even get to the baseline, it is a defect, not unstable. Claim warranty.

Having built several Zen (+/2/3) machines, I have no issue running XMP sticks at AMD's official speed - 2933/3200MHz. Does that drive me to say AMD is more "stable" than Intel? No, unfortunately.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Apr 14 2024, 07:18 PM

Eh? going to the extreme end again? I don't oppose buying expensive RAM, but what is the purpose of the machine? Production/mission-critical or gaining fun from messing around with the settings?

Ryzen 5 7500F RM744
ASRock A620M-HDV/M.2+ RM525
Kingston Fury Beast DDR5-5200 8GB RAM x2 RM318
PNY RTX4060 8GB RM1339
WD Blue SN580 1TB SSD RM339
FSP HV Pro 550W PSU RM219
Silverstone FARA 312 RM169
ViewSonic VA2432-H RM349

7500F > 12400F

VA panel? Product Page

Fan power + signal and ARGB are different.

Here's one for 12V PWM fan.

Doesn't matter. The pump flavour can support higher current, but big (many fans) fan hubs will have the V+ & V- connected to SATA cable instead of drawing from your board to avoid the fuse from blowing out.

The ID-Cooling hub looks fine to me.

Consider checking BIOS for the fan settings?

Ryzen 5 7500F RM744
MSI B650M Gaming WiFi RM689
Kingston Fury Beast DDR5-5200 32GB (16GBx2) Kit RAM RM539
ASUS RTX4060 Ti 16GB Dual RM2149
WD Blue SN580 1TB RM339
FSP HV Pro 650W PSU RM249
Silverstone Fara H1M Pro RM199

Total : RM4908

Don't think will have price cut. Ryzen 9000 will only be more expensive.

Should be fine with enough VRAM. There is DLSS to go with (or just turn off ray tracing) if things don't turn well.

I'd expect Zen 5 to be priced as expensive as Zen 4 X3D. As for anything that meet TS's budget... not so soon.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Jun 11 2024, 07:44 PM

Well TS is doing AI training, so RTX4060 Ti 16GB is the way to go for that price range.

Actually that is a downgrade from 4060 Ti with reduced VRAM.
There will be cases where a model needs more than 12GB VRAM to run, where 4070 will be out of question even with more cores.

Notice the picture : DXR Ultra. Just go DLSS if needed.

With the current graphic card development lifecycle, I afraid we only get 1 generation every 3 years with minimal gain at the same price for the time to come. Consider 20, 30 and 40 series. Games would simply had no choice but to follow.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Jun 13 2024, 04:41 PM

I would say that is NVIDIA being too greedy to give large die and resorted to use high clock as easier path to achieve the target performance. They are on the same path with what Intel was.

Accelerators are the way forward. It is just not cost effective to add new capability to existing execution units. When new execution approach comes up, it is inevitable that even fast old gen card will fall apart, so "future proof" is trivial now. One old good friend is the video encode/decode unit, now we are starting to see even IGP has H266/VVC support now.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Jun 14 2024, 10:53 AM

RTX 3050 has no sign of renewal yet. It has been 2.5 years.

Sample build:
Ryzen 7 7800X3D RM1899 (or 7900X at 2049 if you want to trade some FPS for better multitasking)
Thermalright PA120SE RM155
MSI B650M Gaming Plus WiFi RM799
Kingston Fury Beast DDR5-5200MHz 64GB Kit RM969
MSI RTX4060 8GB Ventus 2X RM1599 (Those games are CPU bound anyway.)
WD Blue SN580 1TB RM359
FSP HV Pro+ 650W PSU RM249
Lian Li 205M Mesh RM189

Total: RM6218

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Budget conscious:
Ryzen 7 5700X3D RM1199
MSI B550M Pro-VDH WiFi RM549
Kingston Fury Beast DDR4-3200MHz 32GB x2 RM718
~ Keep the rest identical as above ~

Total: RM5017