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suju2403
post Mar 10 2017, 10:23 AM

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Hi,, i've adjusted again my budget. This time the cash is ready..

I'll try fork out few hundred but for now my max budget rm3k.

Can suggest spec max 3k budget?? Dont need monitor.
My monitor is acer s220hql.

Purpose: game.. All game like dota, cs,.dark sider, watch dogs etc. Only tomb raider title i would like to play in high with nice fps. Other game i can go even medcto low sett.

What i have in my mind is

I3 vs i5
Rx480 vs gtx1060
Fractal design mini C or any casing that easy to carry for a girl

Btw,, im thinking to buy from idealtech for now.

Thanks in advance guys for u suggestion.
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post Mar 10 2017, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Mar 10 2017, 10:20 AM)
Doom 2016 is one of the most optimized PC games in recent years, pick an AMD card and run the games with Vulkan API, you can easily get > 60 FPS in max settings (1080p).

Intel Core i5 7400 - RM 854
Asus H110M-K - RM 259
G.SKill Aegis 8GB DDR4 2133MHz RAM - RM 255
Sapphire RX470 4GB GDDR5 Nitro+ - RM 998
WD Blue 250GB SSD - RM 413
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 195
Tecware F3 - RM 119

Total: RM 3093 (ETECH price inclusive of GST)

To keep below 3k, you can:
1. Downgrade the SSD to other lower end model with either similar capacity or smaller capacity
2. RX470 4GB to RX460 2GB (-40% in performance)
3. Kaby Lake i5 to Skylake i5 6402P (~almost no difference in terms of performance)
4. Further downgrade to i3 7100 (i3 7100 is on par with i5 2400)

BIOS update is required to run Kaby Lake CPU on a mobo with older chipset (H110/B150/H170/Z170).
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Thanks terence.

Is there any benefit to using the Intel i5 over an AMD CPU? Just curious, since at the same price point, I can opt for an AMD FX 8350 or an FX 8370.
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post Mar 10 2017, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 10 2017, 09:40 AM)
No budget? Samsung 900 series
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sorry budget max RM500.
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post Mar 10 2017, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Mar 10 2017, 10:01 AM)
What's the maximum size of the rig that you can accept? Intel Skull Canyon is quite pricey and you can get a much better build if you go for custom rig path.
There are 2 mainstream SSD in M.2 form factor, SATA and PCIe NVMe, SATA M.2 SSD is somewhat similar to 2.5" SATA based SSD but at a much smaller foot print, while PCIe NVMe uses next gen BUS and is significant faster than SATA based SSD.

Please make sure your mobo supports PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD first before you make the purchase.
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Hi,
Noted.

my Mobo is GA-H170N-WIFI, it says in the overview:
PCIe Gen3 x4 M.2 Connector with up to 32Gb/s Data Transfer (PCIe NVMe & SATA SSD support)
but in the spec tab:
1 x M.2 Socket 3 connector on the back of the motherboard (Socket 3, M key, type 2260/2280 SATA & PCIe x4/x2/x1 SSD support).

meaning my mobo supports PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD right?
thanks.
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post Mar 10 2017, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(suju2403 @ Mar 10 2017, 10:23 AM)
Hi,, i've adjusted again my budget. This time the cash is ready..

I'll try fork out few hundred but for now my max budget rm3k.

Can suggest spec max 3k budget?? Dont need monitor.
My monitor is acer s220hql.

Purpose: game..  All game like dota, cs,.dark sider, watch dogs etc. Only tomb raider title i would like to play in high with nice fps. Other game i can go even medcto low sett.

What i have in my mind is

I3 vs i5
Rx480 vs gtx1060
Fractal design mini C or any casing that easy to carry for a girl

Btw,, im thinking to buy from idealtech for now.

Thanks in advance guys for u suggestion.
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Dota 2, CS:GO (and other heavy single core application or single threaded application) runs faster on a CPU with higher core clock speed, i.e. i3 7100's 3.9GHz will beat i5 7400's 3.5GHz in those games, but when it comes with multicore or multithreaded application, i5 7400 will lead once again.

Rise of the Tomb Raider favors Nvidia GPU, even in DX12 mode, with the recent driver update (378.78), performance is boosted even more for this games in DX12 mode (they claim to have 20%+ for 10 series GPU).

Intel Core i5 7400 - RM 835
Asus H110I-PLUS - RM 380
G.SKill Aegis 8GB DDR4 2133MHz RAM - RM 289
Gigabyte RX470 4GB GDDR5 G1 Gaming - RM 989 <Cheapest GTX1060 3GB is 1.2k at Idealtech so I will have to use RX470 to replace it> sweat.gif
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 219
Shark Zone C10 - RM 199

Total: RM 3130 (Idealtech price inclusive of GST)

Another build with GTX1060 3GB from ETECH:

Intel Core i5 7400 - RM 854
ASRock H110M-ITX - RM 283
G.SKill Aegis 8GB DDR4 2133MHz RAM - RM 255
Zotac GTX1060 3GB GDDR5 Mini - RM 989
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 195
CM Elite 110 - RM 158

Total: RM 2953 (ETECH price inclusive of GST)
barjoyai
post Mar 10 2017, 11:30 AM

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[quote=terence_nwb,Mar 10 2017, 10:01 AM]
What's the maximum size of the rig that you can accept? Intel Skull Canyon is quite pricey and you can get a much better build if you go for custom rig path.
I'm actually looking for one that can be put into a normal bag pack 😅
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post Mar 10 2017, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(kwackers @ Mar 10 2017, 11:09 AM)
Thanks terence.

Is there any benefit to using the Intel i5 over an AMD CPU?  Just curious, since at the same price point, I can opt for an AMD FX 8350 or an FX 8370.
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Intel CPU dominates in terms of single threaded performance and comes with much higher IPC (Instruction per cycle) than AMD FX CPU.

Even an Core i3 is able to perform the same as the highest end FX9590 in Doom 2016, check out the benchmark here.

If you prefer AMD, wait for their upcoming Ryzen 5 or 3, those are worth to wait (and invest if performance is good).

QUOTE(lin@lowyat @ Mar 10 2017, 11:18 AM)
Hi,
Noted.

my Mobo is GA-H170N-WIFI, it says in the overview:
PCIe Gen3 x4 M.2 Connector with up to 32Gb/s Data Transfer (PCIe NVMe & SATA SSD support)
but in the spec tab:
1 x M.2 Socket 3 connector on the back of the motherboard (Socket 3, M key, type 2260/2280 SATA & PCIe x4/x2/x1 SSD support).

meaning my mobo supports PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD right?
thanks.
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Yup nod.gif

For RM 500 budget, the best that you can get is Intel 600P 256GB PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD, not the fastest out there but is one of the best entry level PCIe NVMe SSD's that you can buy now. Samsung 850 EVO is a better choice if read speed isn't too important (especially large chunk of files) to you as it is faster in terms 4kB random read/write (most of the real case scenario).

QUOTE(barjoyai @ Mar 10 2017, 11:30 AM)
I'm actually looking for one that can be put into a normal bag pack
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Do you accept this size?

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post Mar 10 2017, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(lin@lowyat @ Mar 10 2017, 11:14 AM)
sorry budget max RM500.
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Transcend MTS800 240GB at RM479 from Viewnet. Kindly take note most M.2 SSDs runs very hot.
suju2403
post Mar 10 2017, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Mar 10 2017, 11:20 AM)
Dota 2, CS:GO (and other heavy single core application or single threaded application) runs faster on a CPU with higher core clock speed, i.e. i3 7100's 3.9GHz will beat i5 7400's 3.5GHz in those games, but when it comes with multicore or multithreaded application, i5 7400 will lead once again.

Rise of the Tomb Raider favors Nvidia GPU, even in DX12 mode, with the recent driver update (378.78), performance is boosted even more for this games in DX12 mode (they claim to have 20%+ for 10 series GPU).

Intel Core i5 7400 - RM 835
Asus H110I-PLUS - RM 380
G.SKill Aegis 8GB DDR4 2133MHz RAM - RM 289
Gigabyte RX470 4GB GDDR5 G1 Gaming - RM 989 <Cheapest GTX1060 3GB is 1.2k at Idealtech so I will have to use RX470 to replace it>  sweat.gif
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 219
Shark Zone C10 - RM 199

Total: RM 3130 (Idealtech price inclusive of GST)

Another build with GTX1060 3GB from ETECH:

Intel Core i5 7400 - RM 854
ASRock H110M-ITX - RM 283
G.SKill Aegis 8GB DDR4 2133MHz RAM - RM 255
Zotac GTX1060 3GB GDDR5 Mini - RM 989
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 195
CM Elite 110 - RM 158

Total: RM 2953 (ETECH price inclusive of GST)
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So its true that tomb raider favor nvdia.. Hmm..

Need your opinion since u have knowledge.
Which between these two card amd and nvidia last longer in term of performance for more than 5 years. I dont want to get a nice gpu but in the need to upgrade in the next 2,3 years.
I'll tolerate the setting btw since all games upgrade they feature every year.. Haha

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post Mar 10 2017, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 10 2017, 11:40 AM)
Transcend MTS800 240GB at RM479 from Viewnet. Kindly take note most M.2 SSDs runs very hot.
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thank you.
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post Mar 10 2017, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Mar 10 2017, 11:40 AM)
Intel CPU dominates in terms of single threaded performance and comes with much higher IPC (Instruction per cycle) than AMD FX CPU.

Even an Core i3 is able to perform the same as the highest end FX9590 in Doom 2016, check out the benchmark here.

If you prefer AMD, wait for their upcoming Ryzen 5 or 3, those are worth to wait (and invest if performance is good).
Yup  nod.gif

For RM 500 budget, the best that you can get is Intel 600P 256GB PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD, not the fastest out there but is one of the best entry level PCIe NVMe SSD's that you can buy now. Samsung 850 EVO is a better choice if read speed isn't too important (especially large chunk of files) to you as it is faster in terms 4kB random read/write (most of the real case scenario).
Do you accept this size?

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i see..
ok thank you for the info...
shopping this weekend.

Haroolovestar
post Mar 10 2017, 02:29 PM

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[B][Budget] below 8k including monitor

[Purpose] entertainment mostly gaming

[Hardwares that will be re-use] peripheral

[Monitor resolution] either dual or curve

[Games & softwares that use frequently] game able to run ultra with high fps in 1440p

[Personal preferences] a must gtx1070, I5 7600k oc

[Location] KL
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post Mar 10 2017, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(suju2403 @ Mar 10 2017, 12:37 PM)
So its true that tomb raider favor nvdia.. Hmm..

Need your opinion since u have knowledge.
Which between these two card amd and nvidia last longer in term of performance for more than 5 years. I dont want to get a nice gpu but in the need to upgrade in the next 2,3 years.
I'll tolerate the setting btw since all games upgrade they feature every year.. Haha
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It is hard to predict what is going to happen in the PC gaming industry in 5 years time, if DX12 and Vulkan are able to take over DX11/OpenCL as the main graphics API successfully in 5 years time then according to the current card performance, AMD will take the lead again, their Polaris GPUs are showing better performance than Nvidia's similar offering at the moment in few DX12/Vulkan titles.

If you want something more stable (in terms of current games support and frame rates) then Nvidia is more preferred as they are having a very solid DX11 driver support base now.

Both brands are equally good actually tongue.gif
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post Mar 10 2017, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Mar 10 2017, 02:38 PM)
It is hard to predict what is going to happen in the PC gaming industry in 5 years time, if DX12 and Vulkan are able to take over DX11/OpenCL as the main graphics API successfully in 5 years time then according to the current card performance, AMD will take the lead again, their Polaris GPUs are showing better performance than Nvidia's similar offering at the moment in few DX12/Vulkan titles.

If you want something more stable (in terms of current games support and frame rates) then Nvidia is more preferred as they are having a very solid DX11 driver support base now.

Both brands are equally good actually  tongue.gif
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Yeah... B4 im already opt for gtx1060 but then read after reading like future proofing, dx11 vs dx12, driver support, hotter/cooler, it really gives me harder times to decide. Since i dont want to keep changing my gpu. Anyway,

I'll take ur opinion into consideration. Thanks so much btw smile.gif
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post Mar 10 2017, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Mar 10 2017, 11:40 AM)

Do you accept this size?

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looks like cant fit into a bagpack sweat.gif
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post Mar 10 2017, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(Haroolovestar @ Mar 10 2017, 02:29 PM)
Need help urgently

[B][Budget] below 8k including monitor

[Purpose] entertainment mostly gaming

[Hardwares that will be re-use] peripheral

[Monitor resolution] either dual or curve

[Games & softwares that use frequently] game able to run ultra with high fps in 1440p

[Personal preferences] a must gtx1070, I5 7600k oc

[Location] KL
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1440p monitor is not cheap, the cheapest one will cost you 1.2k, ViewSonic VX3209 and that's an entry level IPS monitor, if you are looking for fast response time and high refresh rate monitor, then you gonna pay more for a TN panel like Dell S2417DG GSYNC. Please take note that there is an pixel inversion issue in some early batches of this monitor, check properly before you make the final purchase.

Intel Core i7 7700 - RM 1424
ASRock FATAL1TY H270 PERFORMANCE - RM 589
G.SKill Aegis 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2400MHz RAM - RM 550
Gigabyte GTX1070 8GB GDDR5 G1 Gaming - RM 2168
WD Blue 250GB SSD - RM 413
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
Superflower Leadex Gold 550W - RM 429
Tecware Alpha - RM 219
Dell S2417DG GSYNC - RM 2029

Total: RM 8040 (ETECH price inclusive of GST)

QUOTE(barjoyai @ Mar 10 2017, 07:55 PM)
looks like cant fit into a bagpack  sweat.gif
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Oh too bad then, it is quite small actually, should be able to put in normal school bag.
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post Mar 11 2017, 02:24 AM

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Proc - i3-4130
Mobo - Asrock H81M-DGS
GPU - Palit GTX 750 StormX dual
PSU - FSP Hexa 500w
HDD - 500 g WD
RAM - kingston Value RAM 8GB

hello guys, im using this spec around 3 years. the problem now my graphic is not working. I bring my gpu to technician and he said that my card damage due to low voltage. Before this, my pc having trouble such as no display, but after switch on and off and adjusting vga cable, its working again. Can i repair my gpu, or i need to change my psu if i want to buy new gpu? My pc is working fine if i connect my vga cable to mobo.

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post Mar 11 2017, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(smiling_leopard @ Mar 11 2017, 02:24 AM)
Proc - i3-4130
Mobo - Asrock H81M-DGS
GPU - Palit GTX 750 StormX dual
PSU - FSP Hexa 500w
HDD - 500 g WD
RAM - kingston Value RAM 8GB

hello guys, im using this spec around 3 years. the problem now my graphic is not working. I bring my gpu to technician and he said that my card damage due to low voltage. Before this, my pc having trouble such as no display, but after switch on and off and adjusting vga cable, its working again. Can i repair my gpu, or i need to change my psu if i want to buy new gpu? My pc is working fine if i connect my vga cable to mobo.
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Depends on which model you are going to get, the PSU itself is fine to support low and mid end card, even Pascal GTX1060 can be powered on with that PSU.
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post Mar 11 2017, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(smiling_leopard @ Mar 11 2017, 02:24 AM)
Proc - i3-4130
Mobo - Asrock H81M-DGS
GPU - Palit GTX 750 StormX dual
PSU - FSP Hexa 500w
HDD - 500 g WD
RAM - kingston Value RAM 8GB

hello guys, im using this spec around 3 years. the problem now my graphic is not working. I bring my gpu to technician and he said that my card damage due to low voltage. Before this, my pc having trouble such as no display, but after switch on and off and adjusting vga cable, its working again. Can i repair my gpu, or i need to change my psu if i want to buy new gpu? My pc is working fine if i connect my vga cable to mobo.
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i have almost same problem like you. my gtx 1060 no display after few minutes playing games. tested with gtx 1050ti,no problem. RMA the 1060, got new one,problem still happen. so,decided to change the psu,its fine. using evga 600b before change to 700b ( same price given by shop biggrin.gif )

so, that my 600b psu is a bit faulty. it cant support gtx 1060 while in game.
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QUOTE(Lynox @ Mar 11 2017, 09:10 AM)
i have almost same problem like you. my gtx 1060 no display after few minutes playing games. tested with gtx 1050ti,no problem. RMA the 1060, got new one,problem still happen. so,decided to change the psu,its fine. using evga 600b before change to 700b ( same price given by shop  biggrin.gif )

so, that my 600b psu is a bit faulty. it cant support gtx 1060 while in game.
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How long u owned that psu?

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