Hi,

My family and relatives likes and eats lot of peanut butter and we use it in lot of things. The problem is that bulk peanut butter like Lady's Choice brand, the kind that comes in 5kg tub/pails is actually not real peanut butter, they call it peanut spread and it has a lot of hydrogenated palm oil or other hydrogenated vegetable oil. This is the same fake stuff that the mamaks use to cheat Indian people like "vegetable ghee" which is actually not ghee made from milk, instead they used the trick which is to hydrogenated the cheapest vegetable oil like palm oil, and make a chemical ghee which is similar to planta and then use colouring to make it look like ghee.

I saw many of the supermarket brands like Lady's Choice, Suzi Wan all use this trick with peanut butter/spread to make more profit, as the peanuts are more expensive than the hydrogenated vegetable oil.

Anyway, because of this I have difficulty finding simple honest peanut butter. End up having to pay like RM20 for 500g like Adam's Peanut Butter or other artisan manufacturer which is all more than RM20 for 500g. So monthly cost is becoming too high.

I would prefer to buy in bulk. Since it can last 6 months. I can consider buying 20kg one shot. I'm hoping you might know where to buy this kind of peanut butter (with no hydrogenated oils) in bulk. Maybe we can group buy if the minimum quantity is higher than 10kg.

Thanks!

Tesco got

i'm in. i'm looking for this as well.

btw, diy guide: http://www.inspiredtaste.net/21318/how-to-...ter-three-ways/

Tesco got

try making your own.

it's definitely worth it

Thanks for your reply. I know what you mean but all the brands sold at Tesco are the hydrogenated type. You can see here:

https://eshop.tesco.com.my/groceries/en-GB/...ies/Cat00002649

If you mean there is something sold there that I haven't seen, do you have a picture or link that I can check out.

Thanks for your reply. But I wonder if you have actually tried it yourself and did you check it is worth it according to your costs. I have and here are the problems:
1. have to buy the peanuts in bulk. That's not cheap and hard to find the source that is consistent in quality. Typically it is RM10/kg.
2. have to clean the peanuts, get rid of stones, rotten peanuts, aflatoxin mold peanuts
3. have to roast the peanuts
4. have to do first level grind to chop the peanuts finely
5. have to do second level grind to get to butter-like stage
6. have to do full melangeur to get actual peanut butter


Steps 2-6 cost a lot of time, power (for roasting evenly), oil, grinder use. In the end the cost is not worth it. That's why I want to buy from a factory in bulk.

it's all about finding the supply of the peanuts.

i like my peanut butter a bit crunchy........so might be easier for me.

Are you making your own peanut butter, not sure because your reply doesn't seem to say? May I ask what price you get for your peanuts and which variety you are using?

With the money, buy a good blender and diy.

Thanks for your reply. But I wonder if you have actually tried it yourself and did you check it is worth it according to your costs. I have and here are the problems:
1. have to buy the peanuts in bulk. That's not cheap and hard to find the source that is consistent in quality. Typically it is RM10/kg.
2. have to clean the peanuts, get rid of stones, rotten peanuts, aflatoxin mold peanuts
3. have to roast the peanuts
4. have to do first level grind to chop the peanuts finely
5. have to do second level grind to get to butter-like stage
6. have to do full melangeur to get actual peanut butter


Steps 2-6 cost a lot of time, power (for roasting evenly), oil, grinder use. In the end the cost is not worth it and is more expensive than the RM20/500g. That's why I want to buy from a factory in bulk.

I've seen people who make peanut butter naturally just take raw peanuts, wash and dry them then put it in a food processor and pulse away till creamy. Since it's natural, maybe you need to keep in the fridge and make batches to last for 2 weeks or so I'm not sure how long it can keep, you can research on this. I think some people keep it for 2 months. But it's important you use a food processor and not a blender and also to not over-pulse the nuts or else its oils will come out and you will get separation. You can try with almond for almond butter, cashews etc aswell.

You want good pb, you have to pay more for it.

Separation is because there is no hydro. If you want to buy good ob off the shelf, look for separation.

Anyway I have done my own pb. Get those deshelled peanuts in bulk. It is dirt cheap. Dry fry in a wok or put them in oven. Take off skin by rubbing them in your palm. Heat up enough of oil to cover the peanuts. Put salt sugar to taste. Blend no need to chop. Store them in tight glass jars. I dont out then in fridge cz cold pb is js not my spoon of pb. Eat them relatively fast else oil turns bad. I will be doing some mix peanuts with brazilian nuts.

Yes, I already understand that. I'm asking where to buy it in bulk. I'm saying instead of buying one 485g bottle, I want to buy a 5kg pail/tub. That is available for the hydrogenated peanut spread but I am looking for the non-hydrogenated type.

Or maybe worst case, can I buy one carton/box of 10 bottles of 485g? I contacted Smuckers that makes Adam's Natural Peanut Butter but they said they don't export to Malaysia which is weird because I see it in Jaya Grocers. I asked Smuckers and they said they can't verify so there is a possibility what is sold in Malaysia is actually counterfeit Peanut Butter with their label or imported without their knowledge!!

I contacted Jaya Grocers / Trendcell Sdn Bhd and they said they don't distribute in carton meaning I can't buy in bulk from them.

So... that's why I ask here. Unfortunately, so far no one has been able to provide practical help.

"Get those deshelled peanuts in bulk. It is dirt cheap.". Can you tell me where you get it and the price you paid? So far, I never found anything cheaper than RM9.40/kg and that is for Grade A Indian red skin. Naturally, I don't want to buy grade B or China because of the risk of aflatoxin contamination.

This post has been edited by jeyakumar: Feb 21 2017, 01:27 PM

Joey PB

You can try asking him making a big tub and maybe asked him to do natural no oil

I'm making Almond Butter myself at home,

no extra thing added, not that hard just oven and blender and patience

Honestly, I think RM20 range for 500g isn't a bad price for natural peanut butter. If you look at the ones with all the additives in store is already RM11-13 for for ladies choice 500g and around RM17 for skippy 500g. Maybe you can contact Adam's Peanut Butter if they ship in carton or try asking around for those artisan homemade peanut butters if they can produce in bulk for u. In Malaysia our choices of natural peanut butter is downright limited, I've done my fair share looking previously few years back for peanut butters without any additives but it's so hard to find especially in Penang or if i managed to find the price is sky high at about RM30-40. Price wise, I don't think you can save much if you want the good stuff but you can definitely find ways to get it in bulk just so you dont need to make peanut butter runs everytime. On a side note, just how much peanut butter does your household go through every month? Sounds like alot.

I contacted Smuckers that makes Adam's Natural Peanut Butter but they said they don't export to Malaysia which is weird because I see it in Jaya Grocers. I asked Smuckers and they said they can't verify so there is a possibility what is sold in Malaysia is actually counterfeit Adam's Peanut Butter with their label or imported without the knowledge of Smuckers Corp!!

I also contacted Jaya Grocers / Trendcell Sdn Bhd and they said they don't distribute Adam's Peanut Butter in carton meaning I can't buy in bulk from them.

I think my family maybe 2-4 tablespoons per person per day. 20g per tablespoon * 3 spoons * 4 person * 30 days = 7.2kg. So 7.2kg per month. Then sometimes friends come so can easily round up to 8kg per month. Yeah, you can see how the more than RM400/month cost starts to affect me.

The other option is Yogood brand (Shyan Trading from Shah Alam). But I'm very suspicious of them. I contacted them and asked if they have verified they do not use hydrogenated palm oil and their email response was "The manufacturer has informed us that they do not use hydrogenated oils in the peanut butter.". I don't see any separation in their peanut butter and the taste sometimes tastes like peanut spread. So I feel suspicious because even their email response is something like, ah, the manufacturer guy told us no hydrogenated oil, so not our problem. But I feel like since the manufacturer doesn't even have their own brand, they aren't someone who can be trusted 100%.

Thanks for your reply. I've contacted Joey PB. Lets see if he can give me a good deal.

I used to make both peanut butter and almond butter at home. Here's my video from 2013, I used to make almond butter 50% + dark chocolate 50%. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozhqhv2TT-A The problem is the amount of time it takes and the costs. After about 6 months, my Philips blender/grinder HR2161 broke down. So gone RM350 for that.

I considered buying a Premier table top wet grinder which is what a lot of people use for making cacao (melangeur). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYn6hmelKCE But then I gave up as I lost motivation to spend so much time on making nut butters.

how about steffi's delight peanut butter

I have nothing of value to add but I just want to say, wow. That is a lot of peanut butter. Up to 4 tablespoon a day, up to 400 kcal a day. I'm impressed. That's a super easy source of calories. I'll keep that in mind for my next bulking period. I'll just eat at maintenance and add 2 PB sandwiches. BAM, 400kcal surplus, not including the bread itself.

Good point. I think I saw in Tesco. I feel like I remember seeing the ingredient list show hydrogenated palm oil or maybe something like "permitted food conditioner" which I'm not sure about. Sometimes people hide hydrogenated palm oil behind terms like that. The problem is labeling. Here's FDA rules:

"
When the Nutrition Facts label lists “0 grams trans fat” for the food, does that mean the food contains no trans fat whatsoever? Not necessarily. The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allows food companies to list the amount of trans fat as “0 grams” on the Nutrition Facts panel if the amount of trans fat is less than 0.5 grams per serving

What does it mean when the Nutrition Facts label lists “0 grams trans fat” for the food but “partially hydrogenated oil” (a source of trans fats) is listed as an ingredient? FDA regulations state that the label value should be zero if a fat is contained at less than 0.5 grams per serving. This allows for accuracy despite limitations in detection methods. Sometimes a product contains partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, but the Nutrition Facts label lists “0 grams trans fat”. This usually means that the partially hydrogenated vegetable oil used contains minor amounts of trans fat and/or is used in small amounts.

One example is using partially hydrogenated oil in a seasoning. When an ingredient is used in very small amounts, you can tell because it appears toward the end of the ingredient statement. Just note that if you eat several servings from a package that declares “0 trans fat” and partially hydrogenated oil is included on the ingredient list, it is possible to exceed your daily limit of trans fats.
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http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLivin...pName=MobileApp

I couldn't figure out who is the manufacturer of Steffi's Delight. If we contact them, then we can know for sure.

That's quite alot of peanut butter consumption per person to be honest. I mean given that your family also consumes other fat sources in a day i.e oils in prepared food, snacks etc. It's quite unhealthy to overeat on fats so even if you're looking for the best quality it kind of defeats the health reasoning at the end of the day. 1-2 tbsp is fine for average people but 3-4 sounds abit much if you're consuming a regular diet with other fats. One of the ways you can consider is to limit that much intake of peanut butter so your cost isnt sky high just on a peanut butter. On a side note, there's this powdered peanut butter called PB2 which I think isn't available here locally but I believe but you can ship from overseas websites such as iherb, their direct site or something. It doesnt contain any oils because it's powdered form, people mainly use it for baking or adding to drink etc but i've also seen some mix it with liquids and use it as a spread. You can look into this and see if it helps coz i'm not exactly sure how much it costs.

That is some great extend of effort to get PB man. RM 9.40 for 1 kg of peanut is cheap ir not I dont know. I dont really mind of the price fluctuation but 1kg of peanut makes alot of PB.