BelleG Sugar Glider Sales Thread

There she posted 2 male and a female for sale. I was interested for a female as a partner for my current sugar glider who is lonely.

We COD on 24 Feb 2007 (Saturday).

Why I didn't check the sugar glider sex before paying her?
1. The COD took place inside her car with a dog. I was afraid that the dog might eat the SG up since I have just recently heard horror story of a cat eating such an expensive delicacy (the sugar glider) from carsonel
2. The SG was crabbing away and BelleG asked me to becareful in case the SG flys off.
3. So I asked if BelleG can take it out for me... but she can't. (namely judging her actions indicated she lacked of experience in handling SG)


So that night when I finally manage to tame the Sugar Glider and noticed there is a ball instead of a pouch. Thus I called BelleG regarding this and she got someone to talked to me saying that the SG is a female as the anus and the vagina are close together. So I went over to my neighbour who is a vet to confirm it. Then I told BelleG the confirmation it's a male and asked to arrange the exchange. She said Sun she isn't available thus only Mon she would COD and WILL CALL TO ARRANGE THE TIME AND VENUE.

However Mon passed by still no news. I called her on Mon 6pm once and around 10pm once. Then on Tues on 10am a few times till I literally got fed up of calling an unanswered phone.

Thus I PMed her...asking her why she didn't pick up the phone. And she asked me back "Got my PM?"

Then I told her my mailbox is empty and there is no PM.

She answer

I sensed something amiss. How could she ask someone to collect a pet which is not even weaned from the mother? Furthermore she already promised me a female glider. I don't mind paying extra to get another glider from her as I want to keep the male as well.

Omg. That means cheating right?

Such an irresponsible seller, and for the baby SG issue, wth.

And she should have contact you when she misses your calls.

This post has been edited by jdreamer: Mar 1 2007, 10:26 PM

You did the right thing protecting the glider from the dog. About the 2 1/2 weeks old baby, comon! She's still clinging on her mother's back and depend on the mother, separating them means killing the baby.

PM her to come and explain why she gave you a male instead of female.

TS PM her to come over to discuss

Here's another juicy search I did... Between Carsonel and BelleG...

Belle G told Carsonel that she lost her number (in which I checked from Carsonel via MSN) at 10.05am 25 Feb 2007 (link)

Hours later....

BelleG intended to get rid of the number that she gave to Carson
Link

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Added on March 1, 2007, 10:37 pmAlready PMed her. I suspect she doesn't even know how to look at the glider.


Also this new male baby joey has already developed a bald spot. The vet told me it's not a normal male bald spot but a wound there.

This post has been edited by hamster9: Mar 1 2007, 10:37 PM

Was here :

Guess have to wait till the next login.

Very irresponsible indeed.... when I read that wanna sell a 2.5 week old... come on lah... that is so crazy.... 2.5 week still needs milk and mom... there is no suitable substitute milk formula for gliders in our market, I don't think a joey that young could even consume the glider food I mix....

I think this seller just wanna do business... sell so many animals online, should see the postings and ads in different forums and calssifieds... but this glider case has gone a bit too far.

Hope the seller comes here to explain, if not, then she is very irresponsible.

Funny seller ; here is my minor case~

I pmed her that I was interested in getting 1 female glider~ So we agreed to COD after Valentine's Day~ Initially the COD venue was KLCC ; which later changed to Setiawangsa via Putra line, fine by me since I told her I could COD even if its 7-10pm~

We pretty much agreed on the venue and time through MSN, where she gave me her hp number too ; I also understood from her that she reared dogs while her bf manages all the gliders...

That day came, I pmed her, sms her, tried calling her ; yet the hp was dead~
thinking it was her initial excuse as of that day she was busy with lectures in college ; fine, so I tried calling her after 6pm ; I kept trying until 10pm, then and there I gave up~

Feeling ignored as a customer ; I posted aminor complain in her thread~

The next day I got my glider from cerz instead ; then she informed me that her hp was lost... I thought I over-reacted so I told her I already got my glider and asked her to sell the glider to hamser9 who was also looking for a female~

then everything was all good, until hamster9 told me that Belle sold her a male

But the one thing that got me suspicious is why did she give me her hp number that was lost and now she was trying to sell it off... hmmm...

This Q remains, did she really lose her hp? or was she dodging me? *though its unlikely*

But Belle has acted in a very inconsistant way ; and inconsistancy in trade is a very negative element...

plz give us a black and white explaination ; adding to that why would you even sell a 2 weeks + glider baby? That's murderous... Unless that is your bf's approach then I have no comments...

Lets try and resolve this in a peaceful manner alrite...

my 20 cents swt...

Dear all....

In advance i alr told her d SG belongs to my BF...
When i COD wit her tat time, my bf was not in d country n do tell her tat SG is best collect 3 1/2 mths or earliest 3 mths.....
He leave d SGs wit me cos there's alr 2 ppl booked d SG....
He told me there 2 female n 1 male

I even told her tat everytime my bf bring d SG to my house d SG dun really like d smells of dog, tat's why i didnt take out d SG when we COD.

When she call me on tat nite, tat i given her a male SG, i realize tat i caught d wrong SG to her.... so, i told her tat we'll meet to exchange bck d SG

Then we make a deal to meet up next week, means early of march cos i was not in town on tat weekend due to some chinese ceremony for
Chinese New Year...
I came bck on Mon Nite, n was pretty bz wit my classes cos preparing for d wrapping up on d assignments' vidoe n papers....

I hv no choice but to put my phone on vibrate during class, tat's why i missed her calls.... I do admit to her it's my mistake cos i didn't return her 2 missed calls.

Later, i went bck to my bf n check bout d other 2 sg which available, he told me d DOB is on on 21 Dec, so i realized tat it's too young to passed d female to her tat's why i pm her n told her tat it's too young to collect now n ask her to wait for another 2 weeks or she still want to collect now, but she straight away jump into conclusion tat i cheat her,

Indeed i told her, if i really wanna cheat her, i dun even hv to contact her bck regarding d female SG.

"class at 10pm? for the very least to return my call and it's been 2 days
I called u.

To avoid bidding around the bush...I bet you do not even have the SG. "

Wit all d sacarstic word from her, i got frustrated..... if i really wanna cheat, i dun even hv 2 contact her bck......
"think what way? You eat the chili of course u feel hot. I din think of anything also"

Today when i checked my PM to insert all this quote only I noticed tat i made a typing error... instead of 3mths, i type 2 in my PM

"sory for not picking up d phone......
I was in class so phone was on silent mode.....
Mmm... juz check, d female is only 2 1/2 week.....
they say d best is to take home after 2 mths.... u wanna wait or collect now?"

"u wanna wait?" tat 's why i ask her to wait .....

Did u edit my PM? i do explain to u tat u hv 2 wait 2 more weeks....

** there's only 2 missed call received which is on on 27th feb 05.22pm n 11.12am

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Added on March 2, 2007, 1:39 pmbtwn, wat do u mean by i was trying to get rid of d number i give 2 carsonnel....?

I alr told carsonel tat i loose my mobile on tat day, tat;s why when i meet hamster( i was u sing my old samsung, instead of my lost DOPOD....
D number tat i gave to carsonel is still active cos tat's my permanent number....
d 019 number i use is our house mobile .... we used tat to make oversea calls to Singapore n tahiland n we used tat as a house number among my housemate.....

This post has been edited by BelleG: Mar 2 2007, 07:24 PM

Don't do business with something that you know little about.

sorry TS,
i cant help myself laughing at that


I jz know that female SG got pouch.. last time my gf also wan to buy it cos they look cute

I'm trying to keep one pair myself.....
Got infected by my BF, he luv his 5pairs of SG more than me.....
He 1st started wit 1 pair, then buy another pair, after tat he got 2 pairs from his frens which abandoned their SG after get bored wit them....

This post has been edited by BelleG: Mar 2 2007, 04:33 PM

So which is which now... 1 female and 2 males or 2 female and 1 male? According to your sales thread it's 1 female and 2 males...but the above says 2 female and 1 male



My conclusion towards this quote is you don't even bother what you are selling


Then y bring a dog in the first place knowing that the SG is afraid of it? The fact is you couldn't care.


Excuse me..that was more than 2 miss calls. Tues itself there is about 5 of them.



What I understand from your PM is the female is 2 1/2 week which means about half month old. Which means I have to wait another 2 months more the minimum. I've did some research and found out that SG are best taken at 3 months old. Now I suspect the SG u sold me is underaged as he needs to be "hug" most of the time due to feeling insecure. It doesn't indicate that I have to wait 2 more weeks.

U did not contact me back until I PM you. What are u going to say now? No credit to return my call?

I'll leave this to carson to explain

Yah... I agree.... if the SG is scared of dogs, the seller should never have brought a dog along. For me, I sold 2 gliders before and I always show the seller that the glider is what sex.... even show them and also handle a bit.

Namely I suspect that she couldn't or haven't handle a SG before. Judging from the way she handles the joey.

I hope from the above post...it doesn't come to the excuse of having a bad English or typo

I PM u b4 u pm me tat's why i ask u did u received my 1st PM when i received ur PM..... then u say u nvr received......

Wat do u mean by d SG is Under aged? It's alr 13 weeks ++, evryone know tat whenu 1st take d SG bck home, u need to let them get used to d new environment.... normally u hv 2 leave a "baju" tat u wear b4 n d cage so tat they get used to u. IF u juz wan a reason to pin point me, juz directly say it, n dun simply accused ppl.
I do hv d record ur missed call in my phone, n i list it based on d record.....


2 1/2 weeks old was a typing mistake it was supposed to b 2 1/2 mth old....
Of course i know tat 2 1/2 weeks old, it still attached to d mum..... For d GOD sake, if u know tat i juz mentioned 2 1/2 weeks, why dun u questions me @ d time n double confirm? It's juz a typing mistake.....when i meet u tat time, i also do giv u lots of info boutSG n also tell u tat SG is best take home after 3 mths........


In advance i alr told u tat i was juz delivering it on behalf my bf....



When i COD wit Elaine, i was on d way bck home from my classmate's house n i juz drop by @ avenue K to meet her , of course i hv my dog wit me, or else how am i going to take my dog bck.... Bcos i call u tat morning n ask u wan 2 collect or mot, u told me tat u r not free, tat's why i proceed to my frens house cos they r interested wit d SG n wanted to buy....
then later qfter tat u call me u wanna collect 7pm....

** If u really think tat d sg in underaged, nvmd, (god knows better, no point for me 2 expalin again n again) we'll meet again n bring d SG bck, will refund u.... It's nvr a problem


U can say anything but dun simply accused ppl based on ur own assumption without clarifying 1st, cos i do respect u either as a customer or as a fren......

THE MAIN POINT IS

The seller promised a female sugar glider. But she gives a male sugar glider. If a newbie doesn't know anything about sugar glider, she could get away for months before the glider reaches puberty.

Then if she promised a female SG she ought to deliver a female SG. Yet after several attempts to call,

Monday 26 feb 2007 = twice

Tues 27 Feb 2007 = 5 times (around 10.30am till 12pm)

and the seller did not pick up. PM? There is no PM. So do you want to blame the LYN server for not delivering your PM?


Th best part the seller comes back and tell me the female is not ready?! Then why promise a female SG instead?

Conclusion: I do not want to exchange back as per conversation but to get another female SG and take it as a pair. So even if u were to take the wrong SG, you could have easily pass me the female SG without any hassle of waiting. My next fortune telling skills magic tells me that you already sold the SG as an excuse

I do not want to exchange the glider as I want to keep this baby joey. Judging from the condition, he is skinny and insecure. And also there's an wound on his forehead. If it were to be back to BelleG hands, I bet it couldn't make it.

My next Course of Action: Basically none. Except to tell everybody that BelleG cannot be trusted as a responsible pet seller. I would in fact want to vote her to have a dispute tag.

Bear in mind tat this section is for forummer to resolved in peace n not screaming n yelling will all those sacarstic attitude....


I do not know how many times i hv 2 repeat tat i'm not d owner of d SG, it belongs to my bf, so after i double confirm wit him d age of d joeys in d 2nd litter, he says it's not suitable to take home yet.... so, when d joeys is not ready wat can we do?

There's nothing much tat i wanna say to someone who juz keep on blaming rather than looking for a solution....

Since u r so not satisfied wit d SG wit all d so call FAKE complain tat u hv bout d wound on d forehead, skinny, this and tat..... B'cos i know for sure there's no wound on d forehead when i pass d SG to u.... There's no point arguing on these things cos there's no prove whether u or me who caused d wound on d fore head... so why pointing fingers to other only afer a week keeping d SG, if itreally exist u alr complain in d 1st place, why wait till now...I insist tat u return bck d SG n i'll refund u....

If ur fortune telling skills is so good/"accurate", u should hv predicted this to happened... why u proceed wit this deal n then trying to make other ppl's life miserable wit all d sacarstic word.....

Customers satisfaction is always our priority, since u r so not happy dun force urself 2 keep d SG,' we can managed to take care it ourself. I rather to take it bck rather than "forced" u to keep d SG, i prefer to deal wit someone tat is happy n satisfied wit my joeys..... we dun mind keeping another joey since we alr hv 10 SG

No point explaining or arguing juz to clarify to d public cos d most important thing is tat Gods knows better on wat d real facts is. Wat d point on keep on arguing n saying others r wrong when d actualy facts is not, d most important thing is tat d GODS knows, it's alr enough. Wat other ppl think is not important, wat we think of ourself is d most important. For those ppl who had deal wit me knows better......

So juz return d SG n take ur refund.

May God Bless!!!!

I don't see anyone shouting or screaming except you.

I also didn't see any comment in your sales thread saying that you're selling on behalf of your boyfriend.

I didn't see you apologize and admit the mistake for giving the wrong glider to hamster9.

All I see is you insist her to return the male glider to you, that's not the solution hamster9 propose.

i suggest ts get female sg frm another breeder. belle: whether its u selling or yr bf.... yr name is already tarnished here. i pity the 10 sg that u r rearing to make profit. sounds like a joey mill to me. yr selling something, whether is inconvenient to drop yr dog off is not an issue, but just excuse.

also, pls dont mis-use god's name by swearing this n that

hamster9,
it would be better if u just state here what solutions that u want,
I'm pretty sure BelleG is not on purpose of selling the male SG.
She's just lack of infos about SG,
I'm sure she already learned her lesson by now.
The ending can be nice and peaceful if both of u can talk in proper mode.
BelleG, don't forget to say sorry to hamster9.

Kudos. Finally an action-oriented conterpost.
Personally I do think that the purposes of this thread are plain simple:

1) Most importantly, What is BelleG going to do (not say, nor defend nor give excuse or reasons for the faults and errors) in facing all these issues. Remember, when you do business and you're earning people's money, payers don't listen to talks and/or excuses, they want actions and solutions. So stop the blabber and walk the talk.

2) Secondly, whether BelleG is going to have and extra flashy tag? But seriously guys, even if you get to go as far as banning her from selling from this forum, if there's still a will, SG's might still be sold at the same unethical manner to people who take SG's as living toys.

Anyway, hope this helps everyone regain their direction in this thread.

TS, if you are not happy with the SG the seller sold to you, the seller is very willing to take back the SG and refund you. from what i read...the seller has lack of experience in handling SGs.
And SGs tend to be abit clingy in new environment. I experienced that when i first bought mine.
No point making assumptions. Get your refund, and get another female Sg somewhere else.

MY humble opinion,
no point arguing here as the buyer not willing to return back the SG and get her refund.
Buyer(hamster9) in this case willing to take good care of her SG as i believe she love the bald-headed joey(where can u get such unique SG) very much.

like hungheykwun said,get female SG from someone else if u are not happy with BelleG so call professional service!!!

U have make your statement here,so let the matter rest.

Perhaps hamster9 wanna step up and say something?

It's not about the refund. How will you feel if you find out that your son's wife have balls?

Come on!!!...Seller willing to buy back the SG and i don't see the point of "How will you feel if you find out that your son's wife have balls?"

What are u trying to do here,,,Flame more fire!!
Seller have make mistake and willing to refund and are u telling me u "die die" still wan the son's wife with balls! even though seller willing to take back the son's wife balls?

haiz!!


This post has been edited by MakNok: Mar 5 2007, 12:15 PM

My sentiments exactly.

I don't quite know what the TS wants from the seller now.

If the TS wants to keep the male SG (even though it's not what was expected), then there is no dispute to continue. Otherwise, return it and get the refund.

BTW, there is no requirement for sellers to be professionals or experts to offer and deal in this forum. If this were so, I think there will be very few sales threads posted (how many of us are really qualified?). It is up to the buyer to decide if the seller is someone you would want to deal with now and in future.

I'll probably freak out. After which I guess I'll question my son's judgement and inclinations......

Thought TS has already made it clear for what she wants?

Then the TS is guilty of abusing this forum if she has no intention to resolve any dispute. If she wants to take no further action, then close this thread.

The dispute tag is not based on votes. There are thousands of LYN members. It would be near impossible to get a majority vote on anything like this. However, one can request (nicely, please) the admin to attach the tag to the complainee.

Oh, wait. At least she brings this useful alert to us, doesn't she?

I don't see how she has abused it. It's a right decision for this thread.

I think you need to read the guidelines very carefully. Especially line 1 and line 7.

Meanwhile, I think I'm getting very close to breaking rule 3 (if I haven't already done so). So I'd better shut up.

I guess it's not us who should be arguing about the guideline for now. We're obviously on the line of the third rule.

Avoiding this topic?

the way i see it....admin should close this thread.
it is getting no where.

As Seller have offer to take back her SG and do full refund.

but the Buyer don't wan to take up the offer...

then the topic should be close.

Should be no more flaming going on.

Be reasonable.
If u wan "reasonable price pet" which we can acquire "at a good deal" at lowyat compared if we were to buy from Pet Shop.
then we should be reasonable happy with it......of course in this case BelleG mixed up the sex gender.

But at less,she did offer refund which the buyer(hamster9) refused coz she love the adorable lovable bald-headed(a bit nia) SG which show she really creature lover.

Give BelleG chance to improve herself and at less she give animal lover SG a chance to adopt the creature at reasonable price compared if we will to get it from pet shop.

Let make peace!!
Maybe we can all yum char...i belanja!!
WE can only improve more if we learn by our mistake.

and No one is perfect!!!

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Added on March 5, 2007, 4:11 pmhamster9 or BelleG.
thought u waiting for hamster9 to respond?


This post has been edited by MakNok: Mar 5 2007, 04:11 PM

I'm here waiting for hamster9 to reply not avoiding....
no point for me to talk cos d finger is alr pointing to my side
For d ppl who has deal wit me, they knpow better, i even go to their place in d middle of d nite cos their dogs r sick....
For student in TAR college who doesn't hv cars, i even help them to sent their dog to vet n offer med to their dog
If this is wat u guys call irresponsible seller, i do not know wat to say
For those third parties who hv only "HEARD" d stories from one party but without any facts supporting it, pls dun jump into comclusion.

I alr apologized to her bout d wrong SG, n since she's so upset bout d male SG, she better return bck to me, dun forced her self to keep it. we r more than happy to hv our joeys bck....

BTWN, our 5 pair of SG is not used for breeding purposed, we actually adopting those SG from owner who abandoned them. Originally we bought 2 pairs, the rest r adopted. D reason why we sell d joeys is tat we cannot afford to keep them.... We dun breed them on purpose, it's nature tat they hv jpeys, cos we know tat joeys hv to be keep in pairs, how do we controled d birth? I really hv no idea


As i hv always mentioned, GODS knows better on wat happened, whether who's right or wrong

P/S : dun simply accused ppl for using GOD's name.....

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Added on March 5, 2007, 4:56 pmI'm not defending mysef or saying myself is right, but for d third party who only accept stories from one parties, d existance of bias is very obvious....

Does it mean tat d seller is definitely d one who's wrong? n d buyer r always right?

Not neccessary both party give u facts, there's a possibilty of misleading in both parties stories. So do u think it's fair for third party to interupt n conclude? The best solution should come from d buyer n seller. If someone is here juz to get support from public to create chaos, pls bear in mind this section in for forumer to resolve in peace manner n look for d best solution for d problem

To all d third parties, Pls do put ur self in both parties shoes.

I wouldnt mind if u guys banned me if i dun make any clarification or juz run way wit no solution given... but since solution n apologies is there for d mistake so it's no longer a HUGE issue

This post has been edited by BelleG: Mar 5 2007, 04:56 PM

i am not here to support BelleG nor hamster9.

As i see it...if buyer not happy with her pet as expected...then by all means return back to BelleG and get her refund! and settle this case once and for all.


And to those people who questioned her integrity,intention or her knowledge in SG,
hey!!!! as BelleG reply indicated she is learning along the way....providing "reasonble affordable pet" for those who adores SG.

And as for suiteng....u got some thing against BelleG base on your reply in this thread.


1st u say
"Perhaps hamster9 wanna step up and say something?

It's not about the refund. How will you feel if you find out that your son's wife have balls?"

then lator u post;

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May i know why u are so piss off with BelleG???[COLOR=red]

All i see....hamster9 not happy with her purchase initially,BelleG offer to take it back but hamster9 decided to keep it as it is one of the kind small patch or baldness SG(unique mah!).

This topic should be close as hamster9 have decide not to take up BelleG offer of refund!!!!

This post has been edited by MakNok: Mar 5 2007, 05:10 PM

I am creating awareness of others that such is not acceptable in Pet's dealing. It's not like motherboards and RAMs when one can exchange later on as this is a living creature with feelings. I am clearly afraid that what would happens if the SG would land in the wrong hands. Anyway it took me ages in opening this tread namely I know there is no solution towards it but things have gone far enough (based on other forummers told me via PM).

Clearly I see that some here may not share the same feelings of a Pet Lover. And I repeat that the trading done is a living creature with feelings and emotions (for SG owners, you know this) not a refundable motherboard or RAMs.

*to be added later*

I have nothing against BelleG nor I am helping hamster9. I'm just a normal pet lover and I see this as an irresponsible act, that's why I speak up.

And how many times should I mention that this is not about the refund?

Well, most of the forummer assume that every seller that brought up in this trade zone dispute thread is the one with fault and thread starter is always right.
Dun believe me, check all incoming dispute and see how they post to the thread.
Me hope this thread will be the example, so that we dun simple accuse the seller without first understanding the situations.
Thanks.

To me, this thread is not about asking back refund or exchange.... it's about what would happen to future gliders that would be sold by the seller. People who do not own gliders dearly would not really understand.... an animal is harder to get refund.... coz already bonded with new owner, easy to get rid ah? An object is easier but not an animal.

I have dealt with hamster9, sold her a SG summore... the way she takes cares of the SG I sold to her is like she is taking care of a real son. When I sold her the SG, I keep asking her from time to time how the SG is.... I do not do this for gliders but the other small animals that I sell. Always make sure bout the sex, age and health condition. If the animal has a condition, then explain to the buyer about it.

5 pairs of gliders... that is way too much to handle. Space, food, attention... If you got no space to keep 5 pairs, sell off or give away a few pairs... then it would lessen you the work of selling joeys in the future.

I think what hamster9 wants to see is some truth... to me, the seller is just selling too many animals.... so it is worrying....

I'm not siding hamster9 here... the above is my own opinions after reading this thread. Already many are selling sugar gliders with the wrong intentions so as animal lovers we do not want to see this happen again.

Agreed with u 100% on animal awareness..caring...etc

Like i say what done is done...BelleG have explained her position and hey it never easy to manage and care and sell pet at the same time.

U have deal with hamster9 before,so i believe u know her and how she take care of this cute SG and previous SG as well.

Doesn't mean BelleG making mistake this time forever a irresponsible Pet Seller!

For me,i am relieve that this bunch of SG is in a good hand like hamster9,crazymouse_yyh,BelleG....and all those lowyat SG lover.

Just imagine what about those creature dog,cats are being abused by those owner themselves and almost everyday their pitiful picture splash across the newspaper every now and then.

For me, i am happy that this bunch of SG is in good hand to hamster9 and the seller,BelleG trying to find them good owner from what i can decipher from her latest reply.

No one is right and wrong here!

MakNok has nailed it: All you `animal lovers' are doing your bit to do something good for God's poor creatures. But your knowledge, opinions and techniques differ. Isn't it better to pool your resources instead of slugging it out over who's more politically correct?

Right now I don't see a whole lot of `love' going round. I pity the SGs caught in no man's land.

Here's the print screen of it to see whether I edit or u did not mention at all. what's next? memory lapse as an excuse?

First and foremost...there wasn't any screaming.

R u sure it's from ur bf or someone else? I can easily look it up since Klang Valley is a small world after all.

Y would I want to hurt my SG for hundreds I've paid for? I even have some adopted guinea pigs (which I do not need to pay a single cent) from other forummers and they are great. So tell me how can an animal lover hurt a harmless animal just to get recognition from a virtual forum whilst degrading you? I do not have the time at all for all this. But this has to come to a stop.

Yeah...my "mystical" powers in fortune telling comes from other forummers who had dealt with you personally (PM me if u really wanna know) I will not disclose here since they want out of the trouble. Mayb I'm looking for trouble but I too was taught of giving her a chance..that's y i deal with the seller.


What came to a volcano peak for me or shall I say the ultimax was

And weeks and months are way much different. Psychologically such typo is not acceptable.

Since we r d one who hv it in d beginning, of course we will b able to take care of it, wit 5 pairs of SG, i think we hv MORE experience compare to u........

If u r talking bout Pet Lover, i think we r definitely part of it.... We hv bn keeping SG for more than 2 /3yrs, n not juz 1 sg but 5 pairs, we definitely luv this lil' furkids more than anything else. Talking bout d responsibility, since u dislike d SG, i doubt u'll b able to give him TLC

I personally think tat u juz wanna make messed up nd whole thing from a minor prob n stir it up, ask urself from d bottom of ur heart, did i keep on apologize n wanted to exchanged bck d SG? It's juz tat on Mon i was bz wit my assignment n video wrapping up, PM not sent to u, u come up wit all this....
Everyone here is juz as a trader, of course we do wanna make sure tat our customers r happy but since mistakes alr done, apologizes n solution has bn given, why still wanna pin point ppl..... my intention is to resolved thing cos i know it's my mistake for giving u a wrong SG, it's not my intention by purpose. No one is perfect, can anyone here tell me tat they nvr make any mistake? @least i still admit my mistake, why wanna tarnish other's reputation?

To Crazymouse,

I personally dun think hamster9 not a petlover, to me everyone who luvs animal r generally nice ppl.... Since u deal wit her n know tat she luv d SG so much, does tat means tat others tat u hvnt deal b4 r not petlovers? whywhy r u accusing ppl tat they sell joeys for wrong intention? I deal wit u personally, i know u r a animal lovers like me, aren't u supposed to take a helicopter view rather than b bias? I my self i hv 4 poodles n 1 MS which adopted cos d leg was injured.

If u talk bout d bonding, i request her to return d SG within few days she collected d joey? how strong tat a few days bonding can b compare to us which has bn wit him for 3 mths+

Selling too many animals is worrying? R u telling me tat all d petshop owner r cruel n not a pet lover?

Why i insist on refunding her is tat she originally doesn't wan a male glider. n also not all male glider can mixed around wit another male glider. When she mention bout d wound on his head, my bf say deffinitely bcos of d territory problem btwn d two gliders. I dun wan anything happened to our joeys, we hv bn taking care of it since it born, we definitely luv him more than u.

Dun ever threaten me, u can go n check watever u wan.. KSince Klang Valley is not tat big, it's easy to check things, i hope tat u will apologize if it's proven tat d SG really belongs to my BF for accusing me!!!

The person which u means has dealt wit me personally is CArlson, which to b precise nvr really deal wit me.... cos i lost my phone, on tat day, sis manged to COD wit him, he get his SG from Cerz.

We can never prove who is right or wrong here cos everyone hv a diff version of stories n all d third party got confusedn bias. Ppl who deals wit me will know better, indeed, d most important thing is tat me & GOd know d truth, it doesn't matter me wat do ppl think bout me, Chinese always says as long as u know u r right, it's enough. No need to prove anything to anyone


Is either u return bck d SG , i'll refund u or xchanged another female SG if u want to..... I'm worry bout d SG n i juz wan d SG bck cos as u mentiond there's a wound on d head. Juz return d SG, stop talking bout bonding or worry bout d SG, we r more experienced in handling SG.


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But Juz bear in mind, tat there's a possibility of misleading from d stories from both party.... there's a possibility of misleading stories from me, so do d buyer...
I'm not saying this to defend myself but generally, cos everyone hv their own perception of looking @ things n it's a norms tat stories changed when it reach humans

That's why me said:

Yup, u nailed it as well..
Pity the SG!!
Come on people,don't fight over small thing...
look into bigger picture!!

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Added on March 6, 2007, 8:38 amsuiteng!
Yes..u can voice your opinion but isn't it to the extreme to monitor BelleG login when early post stated u are waiting for hamster9 to reply as BelleG have proposed some sort solution much earlier

U keep hammering on "no refund" issue which to me have no ending nor solution!!
Yes..u have speak up your mind on BelleG irresponsible act but does she mistreat her loving pet creature,mishandling maybe as define by u.

If u really wan to speak up on irresponsible act on animal creature,i advise u volunteer to join maybe PAW or SPCA,then u will realise how many irresponsible Owner's dumping their cats and dogs on this animal shelter.

U got to see the bigger picture!
doesn't mean BelleG does mistake this time around ,forever a irresponsible Pet Seller!
Only learning by mistake,thus one can improve more significantly!!right?
Give her chance.



This post has been edited by MakNok: Mar 6 2007, 08:38 AM

Yes, go, Go GO, MakNok! You truly speak Pearls of Wisdom.

TS, I beg you to end this unnecessary bashing of BelleG and concentrate your precious `animal loving' energy on doing what you do best: helping animals in distress.

From what I see and read, BelleG is also traveling on the same ship. She has a different approach from some of you, but I sense she is as much as animal lover as you are.......

i doesnt sense you doing any help in this thread bude

Was there any bashing I've done in the first place. I'm trying to show facts of what had happened and I do not want other people to have the same trouble again. Anyway, I guess from now on she would be more careful in what she say and type. Therefore I've already PM the mods to move this thread.

To roll up my case:

Seller --

In the car conversation, I asked what does this SG eat and you said he loves cat food or I can order from crazymouse glider mix. I went home and gave him what u
said. He did not eat it and he couldn't. I gave him fruits, an apple and he could only lick it... his teeth is too small to bite. I don't know about others but if I were a noobie in SG, I guess he couldn't have make it today. I am currently feeding him the crazymouse SG mix and also cat's infant milk (which is costly)

Secondly, how come you never mentioned Tues and keep pressing on Mon? It took me long enough which is on Thurs to post it up on thread dispute. Which means u have ample time to return my call but no. For the very least.

Also your stories regarding you call me to COD and I say I wasn't free... my side of the story She called, and yes, I wasn't free. But I did mention if I were to COD it will be after 6pm after my work. And I called her an hour later or so which is 4pm to confirm I can meet her and the venue is at avenue K. So I did not call the last minute to confirm right?

Then if your friends were interested in it... and play with it, why then they didn't notice the glider huge testicles?

Lastly did name White Palace and Leong strike your bell?

Added : I also called up later on after finding out it's a male, instead of changing...I asked as in to buy another female (i.e a pair)..which means business right? I wasn't aggravated yet until she comes telling me (after many miss calls and which I finally PM her) the female is 2 1/2 weeks months old.

This post has been edited by hamster9: Mar 6 2007, 12:21 PM

Yes, in fact, many:


Me suggest that mod just close this no-where-to-go thread.

This post has been edited by Pip_X: Mar 6 2007, 01:23 PM

please bro,
read thru all the posting and u will realise why i am trying to tell them nicely.

Just wan them to realise this is a Dispute Resolution Corner.
Not flaming one personality and BelleG is not cheating or conning people.
Just that,everyone have different opinion!

Ths fact is BelleG admit mistake in selling male SG instead of female SG but she do offer refund if hamster9 wanted it.
The fact that hamster9 declined it show that the topic is considered settle.

If u really read thru properly....i shall say everyone make mistake,ok?
but is it necessary to "chai sei hoi"(cantonese)?

Come on,make peace!!!!

I did not want to return it as said. I want the female ASAP. If she don't know the status of the female whether it's ready to be taken or not, then DON'T post it up for sale. Correct or not?
She offer -> I take simple.

I'm even offering to get another one as in to make it a pair. *cough* if her house got 5 pairs of SG, then she should know how to differentiate between a male and a female easily.

Anyway there isn't any bashing. It's just plain facts of sarcasm.

OkOkOk!!
No hard feeling ok?
Can anyone post me link to this SG maybe on Blog?
i have google it..but is it really that cute ar?




This post has been edited by MakNok: Mar 6 2007, 05:06 PM

You can for instance look up in Pets Wonderland thread here in LYN.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/321753 here's the link.

thx u beary much!!

Adorable creature...but i have 2 cats at home..worried that they will make the SG their new meal instead!!



This post has been edited by MakNok: Mar 6 2007, 07:17 PM

As i alr mentioned, i juz wan my SG back, cos u r insulting ppl. We hv been wit d SG since d day he was born,definitely we will manage it well or else how does our SG survived. I told u tat we feed him cat& dog food, d SG mixture, guava, etc fruits. but did u know wat sort of dog food we feed? it doesn't means tat all dog/cat food flavour will suit him, he only eat royal canin tat's made from vege like carrot,etc....

Of course i do post up SG for sale, but now after double confirming, d SG is not ready to take home yet.

I alr say millions of time tat d SG belongs to my BF, i only started to keep my very own SG recently.... So i dun not wan to repeat d same thing again n again to explain why i got mixed up wit d gender of d SG.

U keep on emphasizng on something tat d explanation has been given....

D conclusion is tat i juz wan my joey bck n u juz get ur refund, bcos whether d joey can cope wit urs SG or not is still a question. I dun wanna be in this endless thread n defend myself all d time, cos d most important is d facts, not wat other ppl think.

For your info, Royal Canin has loads of corn gluten... it is not recommended for gliders. Dog food and cat food, only certain animals can take such as hedgehogs.... but not gliders.

"Corn, on the other hand, has a high phosphorus ratio and too much of this vegetable can actually elevate disease opportunity in your pet."
http://www.sugar-gliders.com/sugar-glider-diet.htm

http://mail.royalcanin.ca/faq.nsf/2584c77d...7a?OpenDocument
Royal Canin ingredients used...

Also, do you not that dog food causes the disease called Lumpy Jaw?
"This is an important consideration because hard foods can lead to such conditions as lumpy jaw syndrome. Lumpy jaw is caused by bacteria normally found in the mouths of healthy animals. The bacteria can enter through wounds in the mouth, which can be caused by hard or coarse feed. Lumpy jaw may interfere with the animal's ability to eat; other than the swelling on the jaw, animals may appear healthy. This condition can ultimately lead to spreading of harmful bacteria and even death."
http://www.sugar-gliders.com/glidervet-7.htm

If you fail to know about that, I wonder what do you put in your SG mixture....

I added this coz BelleG stated:



If you keep giving this info to people that buy from you.... then I fear those joeys may have a poor diet. Lets just pray they do not get Lumpy Jaw or calcium problems.

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Mar 6 2007, 10:31 PM

D dog food was recommended by one of d petshop owner in wangsa maju..... she say her vet told her can feed tat, tat's why we start feeding them d dog food mix wit fruits

Well, gliders are relative new... the vets here have so far very limited knowledge on gliders. I would say you stop feeding the dog food and cat food. Trust the established glider breeders overseas for they have done more research and have more experience than we have. It is very normal for petshops to say dog food is ok but very rare for a vet to say that....

Ok, in tat case, i shall stop feeding them dog/cat food.....
B'cos when she say vet recommend tat, i thought is good, cos we hardly or i shall say impossible for us 2 provide really good combination of nutrion to gliders

Perhaps this bit of discussion on the nutritional needs of SGs should take place in Pet's Wonderland and not be continued here.

After your comments, I'm a bit curious why the one of the highest rated diets for SGs by so called glider experts actually has a high corn and dog food content. The SunCoast SG Diet (which you referred to), which seems to frown on corn and cat food, was rated slightly lower by the same people. This discrepancy has piqued my curiousity.

my deepest respect for u for your profound knowledge!
i am not ashamed to say i am learning new thing everyday.



since u gals staying around wangsa maju and setapak and if happen to be able to let me adopt a or two SG for a modest fee...
i wan to give my sis present for your birthday.

Previously i take her hamster to go to work and that hamster bite thru my leather bag and lost in my company small garden.

thx

TS : I won't return your glider, I want a pair now.
BelleG : No! Return him! I want him back!

So... now what?

but there's nothing BelleG can do about it, cos her female glider ain't ready. so i suppose if the TS were to demand it, she would have to take it prematurely back home?

TS: i don't think you can take a female glider home now, however very much u want to. so what do you really want now? we all know it is BelleG's fault for posting the female gliders up on sale when they're actually not ready, but your insisting on taking the female glider home is not practical either. why not the two of you thrash out a way on your keeping the botak glider now (with her maybe compensating in some way; not necessarily monetary) and get a female glider from another place?

So just leave this thread here to keep a history of how "knowledgeable" BelleG is.

hahhaa,

Now TS!...u have a unique botak SG!
that to me is very precious one!

how come u can said unique?
for me its really cacat. even my 7 months old SG not botak yet.
im pretty sure that TS will never return back the joey. what she want only another female joey. but since Belleg dont want to fulfil it, so i think this problem will not settle.

Seller wants me close thread fast fast so secrets won't be revealed too much

Anyway this thread is closed but will be brought up in Pet's Wonderland.