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BelleG
post Mar 2 2007, 01:33 PM

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Dear all....

In advance i alr told her d SG belongs to my BF...
When i COD wit her tat time, my bf was not in d country n do tell her tat SG is best collect 3 1/2 mths or earliest 3 mths.....
He leave d SGs wit me cos there's alr 2 ppl booked d SG....
He told me there 2 female n 1 male

I even told her tat everytime my bf bring d SG to my house d SG dun really like d smells of dog, tat's why i didnt take out d SG when we COD.

When she call me on tat nite, tat i given her a male SG, i realize tat i caught d wrong SG to her.... so, i told her tat we'll meet to exchange bck d SG

Then we make a deal to meet up next week, means early of march cos i was not in town on tat weekend due to some chinese ceremony for
Chinese New Year...
I came bck on Mon Nite, n was pretty bz wit my classes cos preparing for d wrapping up on d assignments' vidoe n papers....

I hv no choice but to put my phone on vibrate during class, tat's why i missed her calls.... I do admit to her it's my mistake cos i didn't return her 2 missed calls.

Later, i went bck to my bf n check bout d other 2 sg which available, he told me d DOB is on on 21 Dec, so i realized tat it's too young to passed d female to her tat's why i pm her n told her tat it's too young to collect now n ask her to wait for another 2 weeks or she still want to collect now, but she straight away jump into conclusion tat i cheat her,

Indeed i told her, if i really wanna cheat her, i dun even hv to contact her bck regarding d female SG.

"class at 10pm? for the very least to return my call and it's been 2 days
I called u.

To avoid bidding around the bush...I bet you do not even have the SG. "

Wit all d sacarstic word from her, i got frustrated..... if i really wanna cheat, i dun even hv 2 contact her bck......
"think what way? You eat the chili of course u feel hot. I din think of anything also"

Today when i checked my PM to insert all this quote only I noticed tat i made a typing error... instead of 3mths, i type 2 in my PM sweat.gif

"sory for not picking up d phone......
I was in class so phone was on silent mode.....
Mmm... juz check, d female is only 2 1/2 week.....
they say d best is to take home after 2 mths.... u wanna wait or collect now?"

"u wanna wait?" tat 's why i ask her to wait .....

Did u edit my PM? i do explain to u tat u hv 2 wait 2 more weeks....

** there's only 2 missed call received which is on on 27th feb 05.22pm n 11.12am


Added on March 2, 2007, 1:39 pmbtwn, wat do u mean by i was trying to get rid of d number i give 2 carsonnel....?

I alr told carsonel tat i loose my mobile on tat day, tat;s why when i meet hamster( i was u sing my old samsung, instead of my lost DOPOD....
D number tat i gave to carsonel is still active cos tat's my permanent number....
d 019 number i use is our house mobile .... we used tat to make oversea calls to Singapore n tahiland n we used tat as a house number among my housemate.....

This post has been edited by BelleG: Mar 2 2007, 07:24 PM
BelleG
post Mar 2 2007, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(suiteng @ Mar 2 2007, 03:47 PM)
Don't do business with something that you know little about.
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I'm trying to keep one pair myself.....
Got infected by my BF, he luv his 5pairs of SG more than me..... mad.gif
He 1st started wit 1 pair, then buy another pair, after tat he got 2 pairs from his frens which abandoned their SG after get bored wit them....

This post has been edited by BelleG: Mar 2 2007, 04:33 PM
BelleG
post Mar 3 2007, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(hamster9 @ Mar 2 2007, 08:52 PM)
Namely I suspect that she couldn't or haven't handle a SG before. Judging from the way she handles the joey.

I hope from the above post...it doesn't come to the excuse of having a bad English or typo  doh.gif
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What I understand from your PM is the female is 2 1/2 week which means about half month old. Which means I have to wait another 2 months more the minimum. I've did some research and found out that SG are best taken at 3 months old. Now I suspect the SG u sold me is underaged as he needs to be "hug" most of the time due to feeling insecure. It doesn't indicate that I have to wait 2 more weeks.

U did not contact me back until I PM you. What are u going to say now? No credit to return my call?
I PM u b4 u pm me tat's why i ask u did u received my 1st PM when i received ur PM..... then u say u nvr received......

Wat do u mean by d SG is Under aged? It's alr 13 weeks ++, evryone know tat whenu 1st take d SG bck home, u need to let them get used to d new environment.... normally u hv 2 leave a "baju" tat u wear b4 n d cage so tat they get used to u. IF u juz wan a reason to pin point me, juz directly say it, n dun simply accused ppl.
I do hv d record ur missed call in my phone, n i list it based on d record.....


2 1/2 weeks old was a typing mistake it was supposed to b 2 1/2 mth old....
Of course i know tat 2 1/2 weeks old, it still attached to d mum..... For d GOD sake, if u know tat i juz mentioned 2 1/2 weeks, why dun u questions me @ d time n double confirm? It's juz a typing mistake.....when i meet u tat time, i also do giv u lots of info boutSG n also tell u tat SG is best take home after 3 mths........


In advance i alr told u tat i was juz delivering it on behalf my bf....

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Yah... I agree.... if the SG is scared of dogs, the seller should never have brought a dog along. For me, I sold 2 gliders before and I always show the seller that the glider is what sex.... even show them and also handle a bit.


When i COD wit Elaine, i was on d way bck home from my classmate's house n i juz drop by @ avenue K to meet her , of course i hv my dog wit me, or else how am i going to take my dog bck.... Bcos i call u tat morning n ask u wan 2 collect or mot, u told me tat u r not free, tat's why i proceed to my frens house cos they r interested wit d SG n wanted to buy....
then later qfter tat u call me u wanna collect 7pm....

** If u really think tat d sg in underaged, nvmd, (god knows better, no point for me 2 expalin again n again) we'll meet again n bring d SG bck, will refund u.... It's nvr a problem


U can say anything but dun simply accused ppl based on ur own assumption without clarifying 1st, cos i do respect u either as a customer or as a fren......
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BelleG
post Mar 4 2007, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(hamster9 @ Mar 4 2007, 10:02 AM)
THE MAIN POINT IS

The seller promised a female sugar glider. But she gives a male sugar glider. If a newbie doesn't know anything about sugar glider, she could get away for months before the glider reaches puberty.

Then if she promised a female SG she ought to deliver a female SG. Yet after several attempts to call,

Monday 26 feb 2007 = twice

Tues 27 Feb 2007 = 5 times (around 10.30am till 12pm)

and the seller did not pick up. PM? There is no PM. So do you want to blame the LYN server for not delivering your PM?  sleep.gif
Th best part the seller comes back and tell me the female is not ready?! Then why promise a female SG instead?

Conclusion: I do not want to exchange back as per conversation but to get another female SG and take it as a pair. So even if u were to take the wrong SG, you could have easily pass me the female SG without any hassle of waiting. My next fortune telling skills magic tells me that you already sold the SG as an excuse shakehead.gif

I do not want to exchange the glider as I want to keep this baby joey. Judging from the condition, he is skinny and insecure. And also there's an wound on his forehead. If it were to be back to BelleG hands, I bet it couldn't make it.

My next Course of Action: Basically none. Except to tell everybody that BelleG cannot be trusted as a responsible pet seller. I would in fact want to vote her to have a dispute tag.
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Bear in mind tat this section is for forummer to resolved in peace n not screaming n yelling will all those sacarstic attitude.... sweat.gif


I do not know how many times i hv 2 repeat tat i'm not d owner of d SG, it belongs to my bf, so after i double confirm wit him d age of d joeys in d 2nd litter, he says it's not suitable to take home yet.... so, when d joeys is not ready wat can we do?

There's nothing much tat i wanna say to someone who juz keep on blaming rather than looking for a solution....

Since u r so not satisfied wit d SG wit all d so call FAKE complain tat u hv bout d wound on d forehead, skinny, this and tat..... B'cos i know for sure there's no wound on d forehead when i pass d SG to u.... There's no point arguing on these things cos there's no prove whether u or me who caused d wound on d fore head... so why pointing fingers to other only afer a week keeping d SG, if itreally exist u alr complain in d 1st place, why wait till now...I insist tat u return bck d SG n i'll refund u....

If ur fortune telling skills is so good/"accurate", u should hv predicted this to happened... why u proceed wit this deal n then trying to make other ppl's life miserable wit all d sacarstic word.....

Customers satisfaction is always our priority, since u r so not happy dun force urself 2 keep d SG,' we can managed to take care it ourself. I rather to take it bck rather than "forced" u to keep d SG, i prefer to deal wit someone tat is happy n satisfied wit my joeys..... we dun mind keeping another joey since we alr hv 10 SG

No point explaining or arguing juz to clarify to d public cos d most important thing is tat Gods knows better on wat d real facts is. Wat d point on keep on arguing n saying others r wrong when d actualy facts is not, d most important thing is tat d GODS knows, it's alr enough. Wat other ppl think is not important, wat we think of ourself is d most important. For those ppl who had deal wit me knows better......

So juz return d SG n take ur refund.

May God Bless!!!!










BelleG
post Mar 5 2007, 04:40 PM

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I'm here waiting for hamster9 to reply not avoiding....
no point for me to talk cos d finger is alr pointing to my side
For d ppl who has deal wit me, they knpow better, i even go to their place in d middle of d nite cos their dogs r sick....
For student in TAR college who doesn't hv cars, i even help them to sent their dog to vet n offer med to their dog
If this is wat u guys call irresponsible seller, i do not know wat to say
For those third parties who hv only "HEARD" d stories from one party but without any facts supporting it, pls dun jump into comclusion.

I alr apologized to her bout d wrong SG, n since she's so upset bout d male SG, she better return bck to me, dun forced her self to keep it. we r more than happy to hv our joeys bck....

BTWN, our 5 pair of SG is not used for breeding purposed, we actually adopting those SG from owner who abandoned them. Originally we bought 2 pairs, the rest r adopted. D reason why we sell d joeys is tat we cannot afford to keep them.... We dun breed them on purpose, it's nature tat they hv jpeys, cos we know tat joeys hv to be keep in pairs, how do we controled d birth? I really hv no idea


As i hv always mentioned, GODS knows better on wat happened, whether who's right or wrong

P/S : dun simply accused ppl for using GOD's name.....


Added on March 5, 2007, 4:56 pmI'm not defending mysef or saying myself is right, but for d third party who only accept stories from one parties, d existance of bias is very obvious....

Does it mean tat d seller is definitely d one who's wrong? n d buyer r always right?

Not neccessary both party give u facts, there's a possibilty of misleading in both parties stories. So do u think it's fair for third party to interupt n conclude? The best solution should come from d buyer n seller. If someone is here juz to get support from public to create chaos, pls bear in mind this section in for forumer to resolve in peace manner n look for d best solution for d problem

To all d third parties, Pls do put ur self in both parties shoes.

I wouldnt mind if u guys banned me if i dun make any clarification or juz run way wit no solution given... but since solution n apologies is there for d mistake so it's no longer a HUGE issue

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post Mar 6 2007, 12:19 AM

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Since we r d one who hv it in d beginning, of course we will b able to take care of it, wit 5 pairs of SG, i think we hv MORE experience compare to u........

If u r talking bout Pet Lover, i think we r definitely part of it.... We hv bn keeping SG for more than 2 /3yrs, n not juz 1 sg but 5 pairs, we definitely luv this lil' furkids more than anything else. Talking bout d responsibility, since u dislike d SG, i doubt u'll b able to give him TLC

I personally think tat u juz wanna make messed up nd whole thing from a minor prob n stir it up, ask urself from d bottom of ur heart, did i keep on apologize n wanted to exchanged bck d SG? It's juz tat on Mon i was bz wit my assignment n video wrapping up, PM not sent to u, u come up wit all this....
Everyone here is juz as a trader, of course we do wanna make sure tat our customers r happy but since mistakes alr done, apologizes n solution has bn given, why still wanna pin point ppl..... my intention is to resolved thing cos i know it's my mistake for giving u a wrong SG, it's not my intention by purpose. No one is perfect, can anyone here tell me tat they nvr make any mistake? @least i still admit my mistake, why wanna tarnish other's reputation?

To Crazymouse,

I personally dun think hamster9 not a petlover, to me everyone who luvs animal r generally nice ppl.... Since u deal wit her n know tat she luv d SG so much, does tat means tat others tat u hvnt deal b4 r not petlovers? whywhy r u accusing ppl tat they sell joeys for wrong intention? I deal wit u personally, i know u r a animal lovers like me, aren't u supposed to take a helicopter view rather than b bias? I my self i hv 4 poodles n 1 MS which adopted cos d leg was injured.

If u talk bout d bonding, i request her to return d SG within few days she collected d joey? how strong tat a few days bonding can b compare to us which has bn wit him for 3 mths+

Selling too many animals is worrying? R u telling me tat all d petshop owner r cruel n not a pet lover?

Why i insist on refunding her is tat she originally doesn't wan a male glider. n also not all male glider can mixed around wit another male glider. When she mention bout d wound on his head, my bf say deffinitely bcos of d territory problem btwn d two gliders. I dun wan anything happened to our joeys, we hv bn taking care of it since it born, we definitely luv him more than u.

Dun ever threaten me, u can go n check watever u wan.. KSince Klang Valley is not tat big, it's easy to check things, i hope tat u will apologize if it's proven tat d SG really belongs to my BF for accusing me!!!

The person which u means has dealt wit me personally is CArlson, which to b precise nvr really deal wit me.... cos i lost my phone, on tat day, sis manged to COD wit him, he get his SG from Cerz.

We can never prove who is right or wrong here cos everyone hv a diff version of stories n all d third party got confusedn bias. Ppl who deals wit me will know better, indeed, d most important thing is tat me & GOd know d truth, it doesn't matter me wat do ppl think bout me, Chinese always says as long as u know u r right, it's enough. No need to prove anything to anyone


Is either u return bck d SG , i'll refund u or xchanged another female SG if u want to..... I'm worry bout d SG n i juz wan d SG bck cos as u mentiond there's a wound on d head. Juz return d SG, stop talking bout bonding or worry bout d SG, we r more experienced in handling SG.


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Well, most of the forummer assume that every seller that brought up in this trade zone dispute thread is the one with fault and thread starter is always right.
Dun believe me, check all incoming dispute and see how they post to the thread.
Me hope this thread will be the example, so that we dun simple accuse the seller without first understanding the situations.
Thanks.


But Juz bear in mind, tat there's a possibility of misleading from d stories from both party.... there's a possibility of misleading stories from me, so do d buyer...
I'm not saying this to defend myself but generally, cos everyone hv their own perception of looking @ things n it's a norms tat stories changed when it reach humans








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post Mar 6 2007, 10:06 PM

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As i alr mentioned, i juz wan my SG back, cos u r insulting ppl. We hv been wit d SG since d day he was born,definitely we will manage it well or else how does our SG survived. I told u tat we feed him cat& dog food, d SG mixture, guava, etc fruits. but did u know wat sort of dog food we feed? it doesn't means tat all dog/cat food flavour will suit him, he only eat royal canin tat's made from vege like carrot,etc....

Of course i do post up SG for sale, but now after double confirming, d SG is not ready to take home yet.

I alr say millions of time tat d SG belongs to my BF, i only started to keep my very own SG recently.... So i dun not wan to repeat d same thing again n again to explain why i got mixed up wit d gender of d SG.

U keep on emphasizng on something tat d explanation has been given....

D conclusion is tat i juz wan my joey bck n u juz get ur refund, bcos whether d joey can cope wit urs SG or not is still a question. I dun wanna be in this endless thread n defend myself all d time, cos d most important is d facts, not wat other ppl think.





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post Mar 6 2007, 10:50 PM

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D dog food was recommended by one of d petshop owner in wangsa maju..... she say her vet told her can feed tat, tat's why we start feeding them d dog food mix wit fruits

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post Mar 6 2007, 11:18 PM

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Ok, in tat case, i shall stop feeding them dog/cat food.....
B'cos when she say vet recommend tat, i thought is good, cos we hardly or i shall say impossible for us 2 provide really good combination of nutrion to gliders

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