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post Feb 20 2017, 09:45 AM, updated 9y ago

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Full name Liverpool Football Club
Nickname(s) The Reds
Founded 15 March 1892; 125 years ago
Ground Anfield
Capacity 54,074
Owner Fenway Sports Group
Principal Owner John W.Henry
Chairman Tom Werner
CEO Peter Moore

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The Man Who Helped Shaped Us.
William "Bill" Shankly OBE (2 September 1913 – 29 September 1981) - Wikipedia

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==> You'll Never Walk Alone <==

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When you walk through a storm hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of a storm there's a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of a lark.
Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
For your dreams be tossed and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never walk alone.

Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never walk alone.



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Do you believe in Magic? 2005 - The Miracle Of Istanbul.
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long wait for next game...aiii
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congrats to new thread
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You guys are fast!! not fast for me to reserve first post! lol.gif

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Unker selow edi that's why
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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Feb 20 2017, 09:52 AM)
Unker selow edi that's why
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Slow day ma. All went to Span Malaga. Next to endure the no match void until next weekend.
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eh unker...update 1st post la.
anfield now bigger capacity...and censor sakho face tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Feb 20 2017, 12:25 PM)
eh unker...update 1st post la.
anfield now bigger capacity...and censor sakho face tongue.gif
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ok noted. Sahko still with us, only on loan. So can not remove him If censor him then ppl call me rasict. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Feb 20 2017, 09:57 AM)
Slow day ma. All went to Span Malaga. Next to endure the no match void until next weekend.
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they're in La Manga, not Malaga. both are in southern spain but are 500km apart.
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QUOTE(berzerk @ Feb 20 2017, 01:21 PM)
they're in La Manga, not Malaga. both are in southern spain but are 500km apart.
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fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, can that city full of manga? brows.gif
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Founded 15 March 1892; 121 years ago


2017-1892 = 125 years

Uncle yeelong got problem on maths. rclxs0.gif
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QUOTE(lcy851031 @ Feb 20 2017, 02:27 PM)
2017-1892 = 125 years

Uncle yeelong got problem on maths.  rclxs0.gif
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Tq for update. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Feb 20 2017, 02:19 PM)
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, can that city full of manga? brows.gif
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more hentai than manga innocent.gif
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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Feb 20 2017, 03:24 PM)
Firsttt pageee
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long time no TT liao. Now busy father time? brows.gif
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#YNWA
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QUOTE(Perbaman @ Feb 21 2017, 11:59 AM)
#YNWA
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Feb 21 2017, 12:04 PM)
Orh, you here also
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Robin Hood for Leicester?


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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Feb 21 2017, 01:19 PM)
Robin Hood for Leicester?
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Sturridge is close to break the world record..

http://www.transfermarkt.com/daniel-sturri...n/spieler/47082
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lala boy will sign new contract for 110k per week

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/footb...gn-new-12640348

Meanwhile, liverpool plans to develop Kirkby to new training complex so Senior team can move from Melwood to Kirkby to train together with Junior team.
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QUOTE(lcy851031 @ Feb 22 2017, 10:35 PM)
lala boy will sign new contract for 110k per week

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/footb...gn-new-12640348

Meanwhile, liverpool plans to develop Kirkby to new training complex so Senior team can move from Melwood to Kirkby to train together with Junior team.
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A very good and positive move from LFC on Lallana and new training complex.
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Leicester sacked Ranieri.

Like WTF? blink.gif

That man won the premier league title for god sake. And Leicester still in CL.

The management so fucking mean.
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Feb 24 2017, 09:32 AM)
Leicester sacked Ranieri.

Like WTF?  blink.gif

That man won the premier league title for god sake. And Leicester still in CL.

The management so fucking mean.
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It's a results business now, sentiments dont take u far, in fact they have let it take them this far, into the relegation scraps.

But I think he's just the scapegoat, those at the top certainly didnt do better in terms of adding real quality to the squad, and the deals they handed out to their core...

The problem with overachieving - it becomes an expectation, u're doomed if u do, doomed if u dont.
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They didn't get him the players he want to sustain the team success and then sack him? if like that he would already sell off Vahrez and Vardy to cash in the money before getting sack.

Is there any chance we getting the GK? Now only City, and LFC hunting for a good GK in top 6 team. And potential arsenal too

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With a huge amount of money earned from broadcasting rights for appearing in BPL, the stake is too high for the team to stay at BPL. So all the club owner start trigger happy if the result of the team is not right. Is all about result.

And if your team relegated, your best player might want to leave to stay in BPL.

Like Suarez make BR look good, Kante make Raniery become great manager.

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With leicester team hovering above relegation spot and their manager getting the sack, it is likely we are gonna donate some points to leicester

hopefully we can channel the spirit of Sheriff of nottingham instead of robin hood doh.gif
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Swansea new manager? Fuck Liverpool.

Hull new manager? Fuck Liverpool.

Leicester new manager? You know the drill.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Feb 24 2017, 11:59 AM)
Swansea new manager? Fuck Liverpool.

Hull new manager? Fuck Liverpool.

Leicester new manager? You know the drill.
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Klopp already knows what's coming when he mentioned we'll be facing a "new" Leicester City. biggrin.gif

Anyway, I still see no replacement announce yet from Leicester City.
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is not easy to play against a team with new manager as we dont know their style of playing....
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QUOTE(qqmeng @ Feb 24 2017, 03:32 PM)
is not easy to play against a team with new manager as we dont know their style of playing....
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If the team still dont know how opponents, especially those from the bottom half would set up against them and/or fail to overcome, I think they can only blame their own naivety & complacency

But if Leicester wanna surprise us by going on the attack i think it might suit us even more.

A win at Leicester after Tottenham would be the proof that we've turned a new leaf
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QUOTE(Adell G @ Feb 24 2017, 10:54 AM)
With leicester team hovering above relegation spot and their manager getting the sack, it is likely we are gonna donate some points to leicester

hopefully we can channel the spirit of Sheriff of nottingham instead of robin hood doh.gif
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I don't think points donation will be channelled to Leicester, judging by the current form of Leicester. Maybe a draw is the best Robin Hood will be able to give. Even if 3 points were to be given away to Leicester, they would still go down as they have to face Man. City, Tottenham & Arsenal. Definitely not easy taking down these teams.
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Klopp's pre-match press conference vs Leicester City:

Daniel Sturridge is expected at Melwood for the first time today, big doubt for Leicester on Monday

Dejan Lovren saw a specialist in midweek, some issues were found but he is back running and ‘very close’ to a return
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He’ll probably come in today for the first time after a few days.

Dejan Lovren couldn’t join us either but he was running today and felt good, he could take a few more steps in the right direction.


Klopp likens Claudio Ranieri sacking to Trump and Brexit blink.gif
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What can I say?

Am I surprised that things like this can happen? No.

It’s not only football. For me, there’s are a few strange decisions in 16-17... Brexit, Trump, Ranieri.

Do I have to understand it all the time? No. I’ve no idea why Leicester have done this.

Everybody can see their situation in the league and Champions League.

He’s a really special person. A really nice guy.

Does it change a lot for us? Not sure, we will see.


Adam Lallana is ‘very important’ after signing a new deal this week
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We had to try everything to keep a player like him.

Since I’ve been here, he has been a really important player for all the development steps we have taken.

He is a good guy and at a perfect age to deliver consistency.


Gini Wijnaldum suffered a knock on his calf in midweek but is okay
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He was good, very good. Maybe it was the best performance of his, but I don’t compare.

He was really good for us. And if the others weren’t good, we’d not have won.

Gini had a knock on his calf in training this week but he should be okay.


Moving from Melwood will safeguard the future of the club
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It will be bigger. We cannot avoid this. We cannot stay where we are and cope with the other teams.

Sometimes you have to set standards and it’s really good we have the opportunity to make the big step in the future.

25 years ago Melwood set a level.

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If we want to have one more office, we have nowhere to go.

That’s the situation at Melwood.

One point is bringing the Academy and first team together, and another is to improve other things we couldn’t here.

I really believe the infrastructure helps. If we stay at Melwood for the next 25 years that’s not good for the club.


On Leicester game
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We know it we play at our best then we’re difficult to face.

We have been working for the past 15 days to play our best. Now we show it.

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Feb 24 2017, 10:32 AM)
Leicester sacked Ranieri.

Like WTF?  blink.gif

That man won the premier league title for god sake. And Leicester still in CL.

The management so fucking mean.
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News is filtering that the owners acted on player power. Some leicester players (supposedly source reported Vardy and Kaspar Schmeichel) as giving no confidence for Ranieri

I think Leicester city got it wrong. I don't think is all ranieri's fault. The practicality sold the main engine with kante (to Chelsea and it gave conte the key to play 3-5-3), and Danny drinkwater isn't able to play the level of last season, key injury to several players. They got stretched in commitments to CL games.

After the sacking, everyone esp non Leicester city fans won't feel pity if they get relegated.
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Still remember the rumors during Rafa sacking back then where Stevie & Carra played a role. Not sure how true that was.
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QUOTE(jimbet1337 @ Feb 25 2017, 02:11 AM)
Still remember the rumors during Rafa sacking back then where Stevie & Carra played a role. Not sure how true that was.
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Probably what some would call it players revolt, I suppose management would like to investigate the reasons for the 'slump'

They would call up players, managers, team personals and if they have phobias, even the groundsmen or tea lady will be interviewed 😜😜 haha I digress.

The thing is I don't think players will spectacularly say, 'please sack-the-manager' but management senses vibes from players. Weather players have reserved sentiments or feelings that if the manager is still capable to manage the team-in-crisis (relegation fight) or he might not pick the right players in a sound mind etc.

Some people felt vardy maybe slightly ambivalent on raneiri's ouster. Raineri persuaded vardy to stay/commit at Leicester instead of showing any sway that perhaps arsenal will pinch him, maybe he regretted that decision, (pure speculation)

In Lfc's case on Rafa, well it could be similar where both gerrrad n carra (most senior members to the club) may not have led a players revolt but may have just mention a degree of doubt of Rafa mind in the fight with the G&H tussle. Anyway it's the past. I still regard highly of Rafa tactical nounces, more than any British brigades that replaced him thereafter.
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Exactly why Alex ferguson was so obsessed with liverpoolfc, it haunts him when Manu loses to Liverpool (When he was manager)
I guess it's probably viewed a good thing for him as it's given him a goal & desire to foking kick us off the pedestal of greatness.



What ferguson reacts after losing to lfcL

http://www.90min.com/posts/4624129-former-...ats?a_aid=36652


Bitter truth, he succeeded while LFC got lost with mediocre of self doubt.

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Welcome to LFC, Manolo Gabbiadini.
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QUOTE(champlaos11 @ Feb 27 2017, 02:37 PM)
Welcome to LFC, Manolo Gabbiadini.
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QUOTE(champlaos11 @ Feb 27 2017, 02:37 PM)
Welcome to LFC, Manolo Gabbiadini.
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for real ?

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Hahaha just kidding guys. But it is inevitable.


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QUOTE(champlaos11 @ Feb 27 2017, 03:46 PM)
Hahaha just kidding guys. But it is inevitable.
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QUOTE(champlaos11 @ Feb 27 2017, 02:37 PM)
Welcome to LFC, Manolo Gabbiadini.
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this might be real in the future..even more if he play well against us..
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Bump.

For the most successful club in England.

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Jordan Henderson to miss Leicester game and in doubt for Arsenal visit via @Onefootball. Read it here:

http://1.ftb.al/zNTc/ldT0ao9H6A
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Is Ah can Kor starting tomorrow morning against the foxes?
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No one awake to watch ?

Can we get 3 points from this Managerless Leicester ?
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Robin Hood mode - ON
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robin hood robin hood...yeah!!!
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vardy first goal this year..
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I dont get it... do we really short of defender?? Why Lucas... Whyyyy???
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Lucas is doing really really bad this first half, outpaced, outmuscled and outjumped all game.
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Kah kah kah... i better go to sleep...
With Can and Lucas in the team... it is a gone case.
Good night.
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what a goal...
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good job, time to go to bed now..liverpool are hopeless against bottom team
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Lol Robin Hood mode on
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can+gini in the center.. headless chicken who donno what to do with the ball....
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2 weeks rest and we came up with this shit
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man u gonna take our spot lol
fucking hopeless la this team against relegation fodder, totally useless, no spirit, no idea, klopp has learn nothing from all his losses
coutinho since his new deal has been total shit

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Oh well, you know what boys? At least we are gonna win at the weekend.

Guess who we are playing? Arsenal.

Time to steal more points from the rich! rclxms.gif
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i will be surprised if we only lose by 2 goals

the way our players playing , we should by 4 clear goals

accept defeat

Klopp pls wake up. how can you combine Lucas with Matip when Hendo is missing.


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Gerrard would've been proud of that Drinkwater strike. Couldn't hv hit it any better.

2nd half just started. Hopefully our boys can wake up from a deep slumber.
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Leicester playing like champ again. Vardi got another. Koyak!!!!
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2 weeks break, some la manga camp training, and come up with this against a managerless team
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hahahahhahahahahahahahah
i was a happier person during the two week absent of liverpool football action
oh well here to another 6 years with klopp inability to deal with bottom teama
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we gonna end up at 6th if we are in luck, else our neighbour can overtake use with just 5 points behind...
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Fuarkk...
Kloop out. Clueless like BR. Never learn anything.
He is being beaten by his own pressing game by leicester.
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pass pass pass.. give away possession, get countered.. bang! goal!!

story of the season.
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Nice worked up goal by Couth. A consolation.... Too late for any fight backs.
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Looked rusty and not fresh after a long break. Momentum lost after the Spurs win. Haiz.... season after season, we can beat the best and always fail against strugglers. Somethings never change.
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.... 2 goals from him after the sacking of his boss
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I don't think points donation will be channelled to Leicester, judging by the current form of Leicester. Maybe a draw is the best Robin Hood will be able to give. Even if 3 points were to be given away to Leicester, they would still go down as they have to face Man. City, Tottenham & Arsenal. Definitely not easy taking down these teams.
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For the same reason why he is a bad fit for Arsenal. His biggest strength is his pace and it's useless against teams who sit deep.
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Ah well this is life, getting 2 weeks break and train your ass off doesnt guarantee you to win against a team that just lost their manager just recently. doh.gif
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Klopp needs to be ruthless in the summer.

#inb4 couldn't find the "right" players for sale or priority is on net spending. Lol.
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What's going on with the team and the mind of Klopp, i don't understand and most of us here. I don't see we will do any better with current players unless Klopp pull a Conte, change of formation. Otherwise we will, unfortunately ended up without any European Action next year, again.

Still Klopp is our manager and i will still supporting him like i did to previous managers. And hope he can really turn it around.
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Feb 28 2017, 09:44 AM)
What's going on with the team and the mind of Klopp, i don't understand and most of us here. I don't see we will do any better with current players unless Klopp pull a Conte, change of formation. Otherwise we will, unfortunately ended up without any European Action next year, again.

Still Klopp is our manager and i will still supporting him like i did to previous managers. And hope he can really turn it around.
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Most if not all of us here support Klopp and would always back our manager regardless of who he is to success. But really, we need Klopp to sort this mess out. It's no longer a surprising result when we lose to the bottom 5 clubs; we are a charity that keep giving. Cant see him pulling a Conte, or should i say he had done that with the switch to 4-3-3 from his famed 4-2-3-1. I really hope he is not a one trick pony, but with every day passed, it seems more likely.. sad.gif
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Against big teams we played like lions. Against small teams we often faltered.

Seriously it's a problem which has been plaguing the club for decades, not only under Klopp.
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i saw first half until 2-0, leicester basically follow the "how to beat liverpool" template. i went straight to sleep afterwards. 2 weeks of training and klopp send the same liverpool.

insanity is when you did the same thing over and over expecting different results.
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Players need to get rid of that mid table mentality! BR was laughing I am sure!
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How to get rid of mid table mentality when in reality the players have mid table quality only?
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youngsters play 1 game, not perform...they are not good enough
first team play so many games and like s**t...they must be MORE than not good enough

fedup with all the first team with big pay cheque, we can do no worst with youngsters with low pay.....
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QUOTE(Adell G @ Feb 28 2017, 09:17 AM)
In other news we got Peter Moore as our CEO, quite a big jump from video gaming industry to Football...maybe he can make Liverpool FC esport champ
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So this guy replaced Ayre? or There will be a Sporting Director??
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How to get rid of mid table mentality when in reality the players have mid table quality only?
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So true and klopp refused to acknowledge that ! Sell the mc king aka DS and get one or two proven strikers! What Danny ings, origi all CMI!

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QUOTE(yeelong @ Feb 28 2017, 10:44 AM)
What's going on with the team and the mind of Klopp, i don't understand and most of us here. I don't see we will do any better with current players unless Klopp pull a Conte, change of formation. Otherwise we will, unfortunately ended up without any European Action next year, again.

Still Klopp is our manager and i will still supporting him like i did to previous managers. And hope he can really turn it around.
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Seems like u guys giving up Champs League spot to either Man City, Man Utd or Arsenal...😳
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the line-up is funny....

gini pair with can and with our lightning fast lucas at the back just in case for the counter attacks....

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the line-up is funny....

gini pair with can and with our lightning fast lucas at the back just in case for the counter attacks....

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Klopp is slowly doing a BR...
Keep playing the same formation and want to prove something that wont happen.
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Like it or not, all below players is good but certainly not good enough.

Mignolet
Lucas
Milner
Can
Gini
Firmino (1 game good, 5 game bad, what's up with his consistency?)

No comment on the bench players, mostly is bad.

And then it is almost impossible for Klopp to replace so many players with a better players. Let's wait for a miracle.
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Feb 28 2017, 02:15 PM)
Like it or not, all below players is good but certainly not good enough.

Mignolet
Lucas
Milner
Can
Gini
Firmino (1 game good, 5 game bad, what's up with his consistency?)

No comment on the bench players, mostly is bad.

And then it is almost impossible for Klopp to replace so many players with a better players. Let's wait for a miracle.
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mignolet - probably his final season here, given far too many chances
lucas - outpaced too easily
milner - his crossing went from great last season to absolute rubbish
can - shipped him out pls
gini - 25m for him vs 30m for kante
firmino - i like him but too average compare to the likes of kane, costa, sanchez
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QUOTE(jacckl @ Feb 28 2017, 09:57 AM)
i saw first half until 2-0, leicester basically follow the "how to beat liverpool" template. i went straight to sleep afterwards. 2 weeks of training and klopp send the same liverpool.

insanity is when you did the same thing over and over expecting different results.
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Not really though. Leicester in no way parked the bus. They came out in the first half, outran, outpaced, outjumped, outmuscled, outpressed us on every ball.

QUOTE(AnythingK @ Feb 28 2017, 02:15 PM)
Like it or not, all below players is good but certainly not good enough.

Mignolet
Lucas
Milner
Can
Gini
Firmino (1 game good, 5 game bad, what's up with his consistency?)

No comment on the bench players, mostly is bad.

And then it is almost impossible for Klopp to replace so many players with a better players. Let's wait for a miracle.
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mignolet - probably his final season here, given far too many chances
lucas - outpaced too easily
milner - his crossing went from great last season to absolute rubbish
can - shipped him out pls
gini - 25m for him vs 30m for kante
firmino - i like him but too average compare to the likes of kane, costa, sanchez
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To be fair, Mignolet was our best player last night. The score could easily be much worse. In the long term though yeah I agree, not sure how much trust Klopp has in Karius.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Feb 28 2017, 03:33 PM)
Not really though. Leicester in no way parked the bus. They came out in the first half, outran, outpaced, outjumped, outmuscled, outpressed us on every ball.
To be fair, Mignolet was our best player last night. The score could easily be much worse. In the long term though yeah I agree, not sure how much trust Klopp has in Karius.
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Well I doesn't rate them solely based on yesterday game, I list them out because they are the first team players on today morning game.

Mignolet is good most of the time in stopping balls, but his aerial and distribution is still very very bad. The problem is those players is good but not consistent enough, and definitely not good enough to be a first team player for Liverpool.

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Feb 28 2017, 02:15 PM)
Like it or not, all below players is good but certainly not good enough.

Mignolet
Lucas
Milner
Can
Gini
Firmino (1 game good, 5 game bad, what's up with his consistency?)

No comment on the bench players, mostly is bad.

And then it is almost impossible for Klopp to replace so many players with a better players. Let's wait for a miracle.
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Hope for one big sugar daddy better la. With FSG we are going nowhere. Even January we didn't buy shyte

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too much negativity.

then again, too much expectations on the club.

Sure, they're the same players.

What can you expect?

Klopp is a great guy, but the burden of expectations is already weighing him down already.
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So this guy replaced Ayre? or There will be a Sporting Director??
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He replace Ayre as CEO in business part only

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/footb...cutive-12667130

Sporting Director sudah lama take over by Michael Edwards, uncle stay inside gua for how long? confused.gif

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/footb...dwards-12124500
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no because it is expected that lpool to beat the top teams...
but against bottom teams....hmmm
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Provided they don't sack Wenger first lol. If Wenger is gone, our 3 pts is as good as gone.
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QUOTE(lcy851031 @ Feb 28 2017, 10:36 PM)
He replace Ayre as CEO in business part only

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/footb...cutive-12667130

Sporting Director sudah lama take over by Michael Edwards, uncle stay inside gua for how long?  confused.gif

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/footb...dwards-12124500
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Checked in to Gua since New year of 2017 liao lo. Can we sack this sporting director and hire those from soton?
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Feb 28 2017, 09:44 AM)
What's going on with the team and the mind of Klopp, i don't understand and most of us here. I don't see we will do any better with current players unless Klopp pull a Conte, change of formation. Otherwise we will, unfortunately ended up without any European Action next year, again.

Still Klopp is our manager and i will still supporting him like i did to previous managers. And hope he can really turn it around.
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I think for the next two years, if there isn't much sales or purchase, expect German man to be sacked for not understanding English football.

You can't make a silk purse out of sow's ear. Current squad isn't good enough. BR's Liverpool looks good just because Suarez is there. Man Utd have Zlatan there. Liverpool? Sturridge or Mane isn't like those 2 names mentioned or a Sanchez/Vardy/Diego/Kane. It's sad but true. Each team needs that special outstanding hero to save the day.
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QUOTE(fu'house @ Mar 1 2017, 09:25 PM)
I think for the next two years, if there isn't much sales or purchase, expect German man to be sacked for not understanding English football.

You can't make a silk purse out of sow's ear. Current squad isn't good enough. BR's Liverpool looks good just because Suarez is there. Man Utd have Zlatan there. Liverpool? Sturridge or Mane isn't like those 2 names mentioned or a Sanchez/Vardy/Diego/Kane. It's sad but true. Each team needs that special outstanding hero to save the day.
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Purchase need money, it always depends on whether Owner willing to splash cash for him. Even ridiculous ones. If klopp can bring us to the top with players he wanted and full financial support from owner then i rest my case.
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Mar 2 2017, 10:37 AM)
Purchase need money, it always depends on whether Owner willing to splash cash for him. Even ridiculous ones. If klopp can bring us to the top with players he wanted and full financial support from owner then i rest my case.
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What if the problem was because your boss don't want the top and expensive players because they don't suit his gameplay. He already said he was satisfied with the team as it is earlier in the season.
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Mar 2 2017, 10:37 AM)
Purchase need money, it always depends on whether Owner willing to splash cash for him. Even ridiculous ones. If klopp can bring us to the top with players he wanted and full financial support from owner then i rest my case.
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What if the problem was because your boss don't want the top and expensive players because they don't suit his gameplay. He already said he was satisfied with the team as it is earlier in the season.
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I think the problem is somewhere in between. Klopp is a stubborn man, he sticks to his tried and trusted formula, which most of the time, requires players working their socks off, which means young (read: unproven who wanna establish themselves) players are his preference. On the other hand, while the management has been happy to sanction purchases of 30M and upwards, we havent seen them really go upscale for wages (but seems like there has been improvement evidenced by contracts of Cout and Lallana), I think we lost out on Alexis Sanchez bcs of this, yeah im not buying that he preferred London or Wenger.
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Nthg that we havent known yet, but it's being properly put together IMO.

Klopp's tactical failings leave Liverpool desperate for a plan B

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So 3 managers in a row who doesn't have a plan b.
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Hope for one big sugar daddy better la. With FSG we are going nowhere. Even January we didn't buy shyte
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So 3 managers in a row who doesn't have a plan b.
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Not too sure if we should call it outright lack of plan B or just simply failure to adapt for Klopp. Fine line, but the way I see it, the former being the case of failing to come up with a different plan during a game, while the latter means that failure to acknowledge that opponents would catch up with the original game plan and would adapt accordingly. Should be a case of combination of both, and more worryingly we have seen that before with Klopp at Dortmund..

What frustrates me even more is that he showed that he can adapt, inheriting a squad midway and get to 2 finals. And who can forget that he got his first PL win with Benteke as the focal point?!
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Nthg that we havent known yet, but it's being properly put together IMO.

Klopp's tactical failings leave Liverpool desperate for a plan B

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Now when you mentioned it again, it looks more and more ridiculous. Klopp doesn't really lose much this season, but all the losses came from relegation battle team. mega_shok.gif
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[quote=AnythingK,Mar 2 2017, 03:15 PM]
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Now when you mentioned it again, it looks more and more ridiculous. Klopp doesn't really lose much this season, but all the losses came from relegation battle team. mega_shok.gif
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Exactly, I too didnt realize that. In the league, we didnt even bother to lose to mid table clubs, it's all bottom table clubs, all played with almost the same template, except maybe for B'mouth, which i blame Karius for that loss.

Sometimes, I wonder if we're actually more of a mid table club who raise our games against the top clubs like the "special occasions" warrant than a top club who just falter against the lower positioned clubs.

And dont get me wrong guys, I support Klopp and we're still fun to watch in the big games. But this summer - and he would get the next - would be super crucial to him and especially the club
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Now when you mentioned it again, it looks more and more ridiculous. Klopp doesn't really lose much this season, but all the losses came from relegation battle team. mega_shok.gif
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liverpool form didn't went nose dive until the start of this year. since then liverpool suffered 2 wins (plymouth and spurs), 4 draws and 6 losses including twice against soton in league cup. the current form is probably the worst i've seen, even woy form at that time aren't this bad.
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 2 2017, 10:54 AM)
I think the problem is somewhere in between. Klopp is a stubborn man, he sticks to his tried and trusted formula, which most of the time, requires players working their socks off, which means young (read: unproven who wanna establish themselves) players are his preference. On the other hand, while the management has been happy to sanction purchases of 30M and upwards, we havent seen them really go upscale for wages (but seems like there has been improvement evidenced by contracts of Cout and Lallana), I think we lost out on Alexis Sanchez bcs of this, yeah im not buying that he preferred London or Wenger.
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Would you've picked Liverpool over Arsenal? I would pick Arsenal over Liverpool any day of the week. You might think that Arsenal are a joke club because of the 4th place trophy thing but fact of the matter is they are in fact qualifying for the CL every single season. All we have to show for for the past 10 years is a single League Cup trophy while missing out on CL most of the time. We might have qualified for CL that season on the back of Suarez's heroics but that's a one-off. When you've been so poor for so many years players don't immediately believe that you are there to stay for the coming seasons. Just like how no one would realistically believe Leicester to qualify for CL again. To get back on the pedestal as a prestigious CL club, we have to do it for consecutive seasons, that's when players start believing in you. Similarly players don't lose faith in clubs (United) who fail to qualify for one or two seasons of CL because history tells them the club has managed to do so for many seasons in the past. It is only when they are out of it for many consecutive seasons that the negative effect starts taking place.

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Would you've picked Liverpool over Arsenal? I would pick Arsenal over Liverpool any day of the week. You might think that Arsenal are a joke club because of the 4th place trophy thing but fact of the matter is they are in fact qualifying for the CL every single season. All we have to show for for the past 10 years is a single League Cup trophy while missing out on CL most of the time. We might have qualified for CL that season on the back of Suarez's heroics but that's a one-off. When you've been so poor for so many years players don't immediately believe that you are there to stay for the coming seasons. Just like how no one would realistically believe Leicester to qualify for CL again. To get back on the pedestal as a prestigious CL club, we have to do it for consecutive seasons, that's when players start believing in you. Similarly players don't lose faith in clubs (United) who fail to qualify for one or two seasons of CL because history tells them the club has managed to do so for many seasons in the past. It is only when they are out of it for many consecutive seasons that the negative effect starts taking place.
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Hmm interesting question there.. But at that moment, I would see Liverpool and Arsenal being equal in terms of attraction. I'm definitely biased here, but I think Sanchez chose Arsenal because they offered higher wages. If Liverpool really go all the way for him, say offering him 20% on top of what Arsenal offered I think he would happily chose Merseyside over London.

And though Arsenal have qualified for the CL every season, I dont think Sanchez would realistically see that Arsenal have even remote chance to win it. Or the PL, in fact. So i dont think he chose Arsenal for the titles at that moment.

All in all, IMO, he chose Arsenal over us because of money. Not that it's an isolated incident, if other rumours are to be believed. Just my 2 cents though
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 2 2017, 11:11 PM)
Hmm interesting question there.. But at that moment, I would see Liverpool and Arsenal being equal in terms of attraction. I'm definitely biased here, but I think Sanchez chose Arsenal because they offered higher wages. If Liverpool really go all the way for him, say offering him 20% on top of what Arsenal offered I think he would happily chose Merseyside over London.

And though Arsenal have qualified for the CL every season, I dont think Sanchez would realistically see that Arsenal have even remote chance to win it. Or the PL, in fact. So i dont think he chose Arsenal for the titles at that moment.

All in all, IMO, he chose Arsenal over us because of money. Not that it's an isolated incident, if other rumours are to be believed. Just my 2 cents though
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hmm, sanchez has already said he chose arsenal cos of wenger and cos he thought they could win trophies.
money also probably played a part...but no matter what... bottom line is brendan rodgers had no star power.


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hmm, sanchez has already said he chose arsenal cos of wenger and cos he thought they could win trophies.
money also probably played a part...but no matter what... bottom line is brendan rodgers had no star power.
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Hmm i dont believe that personally.. I have all the respect for Wenger but he shouldnt be an attraction for s.american. For French players, maybe yes. Can imagine if another big club went for him im sure he would have chosen them. Was surprised that no other big gun went for him, but then of course few really expected him to reach this level

Think not only BR, the club as as whole also lack star pulling capabilities, but there is nthg money can't solve, in the crazy world of football. Still comes down to the money on the table if u ask me. But yeah, im biased af tongue.gif
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i'm not a fm expert but based on what i saw, we are too narrow up front. cout is not a winger in the first place so it's normal if he always roaming in the center area. mané need to cover for firminho absentee in the box. so basically we have no wideman. our fullbacks need to overlap far too forward to provide wide support. leaving our defence exposed. this why we could easily be counter attacked. and we conceded a lot of goals becos of that... clueless with possession, panic in defending.
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 3 2017, 12:31 AM)
Hmm i dont believe that personally.. I have all the respect for Wenger but he shouldnt be an attraction for s.american. For French players, maybe yes. Can imagine if another big club went for him im sure he would have chosen them. Was surprised that no other big gun went for him, but then of course few really expected him to reach this level

Think not only BR, the club as as whole also lack star pulling capabilities, but there is nthg money can't solve, in the crazy world of football. Still comes down to the money on the table if u ask me. But yeah, im biased af  tongue.gif
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umm u do realize sanchez isnt the only south american they have...
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Wow hopefully torres is okay..
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Update from his club: 'He has had cranial (head) and cervical (neck) scans. No traumatic alterations or injuries. He is aware and oriented, will spend the night in observation in the hospital'
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 3 2017, 08:05 AM)
umm u do realize sanchez isnt the only south american they have...
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aye i do, what i meant is that he have lost the pulling power he had on players, and even back then it was mostly on French and young players.

Very few managers have the pulling power to be the main factor behind a player's arrival: Pep, Mou, Ancelotti (maybe?), decorated ex-players who happen to be the idol of the player (Zidane etc). Money, as usual, still play a very very big part though.
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aye i do, what i meant is that he have lost the pulling power he had on players, and even back then it was mostly on French and young players.

Very few managers have the pulling power to be the main factor behind a player's arrival: Pep, Mou, Ancelotti (maybe?), decorated ex-players who happen to be the idol of the player (Zidane etc). Money, as usual, still play a very very big part though.
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ironically, thats what we all thought of klopp...that he could use his star power to attract players...
but we didnt exactly get anything great from germany...

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ironically, thats what we all thought of klopp...that he could use his star power to attract players...
but we didnt exactly get anything great from germany...
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Yeah we dreamed about Goetze, Draxler, Meyer but nthg came out of them.

Not too sure if it's a case of him failing to or not wanting to. He said he was never in for Goetze, and good for us as we have dodged a bullet. Draxler went to PSG for easy trophies - and money - and looks justified.

Let's just wait and see what could he do in the summer. Though i wont expect a top player at his peak to come through the door. Klopp just prefer young players, don't he? bangwall.gif
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Yeah we dreamed about Goetze, Draxler, Meyer but nthg came out of them.

Not too sure if it's a case of him failing to or not wanting to. He said he was never in for Goetze, and good for us as we have dodged a bullet. Draxler went to PSG for easy trophies - and money - and looks justified.

Let's just wait and see what could he do in the summer. Though i wont expect a top player at his peak to come through the door. Klopp just prefer young players, don't he? bangwall.gif
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klavan and manninger arent exactly young...may be cheap but there are still wages to be paid.
klopp at dortmund also didnt exactly sign all young players...and wasnt adverse to spending for someone older.

just the team doesnt look interesting to play with...there isnt even a proper core in the team.
if anything our 'core' looks like mignolet-lovren-henderson-coutinho...
contrast that to something previously like reina-agger-gerrard-torres...
so who really wants to come play with the current core? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 3 2017, 10:18 AM)
klavan and manninger arent exactly young...may be cheap but there are still wages to be paid.
klopp at dortmund also didnt exactly sign all young players...and wasnt adverse to spending for someone older.

just the team doesnt look interesting to play with...there isnt even a proper core in the team.
if anything our 'core' looks like mignolet-lovren-henderson-coutinho...
contrast that to something previously like reina-agger-gerrard-torres...
so who really wants to come play with the current core? tongue.gif
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But those 2 are not signed as first teamers, gosh i have even forgotten about manninger lol. And yeah, not saying he's adverse to sign someone old, but his preference looks like players of 25 and under, those who still have the lungs to run all day as well as to develop overall.

Agree about our "core" compared to previous years.sad.gif But thing is, unless we have a sugar (oil) daddy to bankroll purchases of top players along with crazy wages, things wont improve overnight. We have to buy smart, let the group grow organically and then add pieces where we could.
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Nobody can deny this.

Since Suarez left, we don't have the player that will carry the whole team, the player that will turn the favour around, the player that will create something out of nothing, the player will score when you least expected it, the player that can motivate the whole team.

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Mar 3 2017, 10:43 AM)
Nobody can deny this.

Since Suarez left, we don't have the player that will carry the whole team, the player that will turn the favour around, the player that will create something out of nothing, the player will score when you least expected it, the player that can motivate the whole team.
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In Short, we LACK of a true LEADER. A General on the pitch.
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In Short, we LACK of a true LEADER. A General on the pitch.
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Dont think that's who we call a leader?? We miss Stevie's leadership that's for sure. But that's not what leaders do?

Game changer is probably the better fit for that purpose? Cout is capable of that, occasionally, but remains inconsistent as ever.
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Dont think that's who we call a leader?? We miss Stevie's leadership that's for sure. But that's not what leaders do?

Game changer is probably the better fit for that purpose? Cout is capable of that, occasionally, but remains inconsistent as ever.
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Coutinho is the kind of player who plays well with great players around and creating space for him then he can work his magic. Without that, he is just another player.

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Henderson is not a good leader? biggrin.gif
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So far still havent filled in the big shoe of Stevie. Dont think u can put him alongside any of our club skipper and says he of the equal... Maybe time can help, and time is on his side

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Coutinho is the kind of player who plays well with great players around and creating space for him then he can work his magic. Without that, he is just another player.
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So the Suarez factor again? 1 and a half season of overperforming leads us to thinking that he could be THE player to bring the glory days back? That's what u mean right? There might be some truth in this hmm.gif

But again, only time can tell.. And we really need to add more game changers to our team. Mane could be one, just look at his first goal for us vs Arsenal, he just doesnt do it often enough?
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Henderson is not a good leader? biggrin.gif
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So far still havent filled in the big shoe of Stevie. Dont think u can put him alongside any of our club skipper and says he of the equal... Maybe time can help, and time is on his side

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Good leader or not I dont know but with Henderson around our winning percentage is more than 60%

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still have no idea if klopp s good at man management.

lets hope there s no "leicester" shadow here....
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Klopp's pre-match press conference vs Arsenal in BPL:

Jordan Henderson is out of the Arsenal game tomorrow
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Dejan had full team training yesterday. We will have to see how he reacts. He will be involved in training again if nobody tells me any different and then we have to make a decision.

He was out for four weeks and will have been training for three days.


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It was a free-flowing start, not too perfectly organised with no bad experience together.

As full of confidence as possible after a pre-season we were convinced we had done the right things.

The Barcelona game wasn’t too long ago, it was another nice game in London. Completely optimistic.

It doesn’t feel that free-flowing anymore but that’s how seasons are. Only Chelsea have that feeling still, all the rest have had better or worse moments in the season.

We have a lack of consistency. We cannot ignore it because we were involved in the games.

It’s not too important to compare the start of the season with this moment. But it’s obviously different.


He dismissed suggestions he doesn’t have enough leaders, or his team aren’t physical enough
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But in terms of being physical in the challenge, it’s not a general problem. It hasn’t been until now.

In the five games we lost, we had only three yellow cards?

I’ve never forced my players to foul. We are a pretty fair team. In a challenge we want to win the ball, not break a leg.

Being physical means being ready to hurt yourself, not the other player.


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I saw a lot of times, even when I was a player and i Was real mentality player as I wasn’t that good at football, for me that wasn’t always possible.

You try everything in the game, to have influence from the sideline that they can help each other.

But in the end we have to accept it didn’t work against Leicester.

In an ideal world, you need to be spot on from the first second.

We have these players they do it in different ways. Adam, Milly, Lucas Leiva these three players for sure, with different things. Usually also Roberto Firmino with his attitude, readiness you can give him the ball.

But against Leicester the first ball went five yards away from his foot and you thought ‘what’s that’ It started like this and couldn’t get any better.

I don’t know the last time he did that.

I can’t ignore the game against Tottenham, three weeks ago but pretty much the same players. Should we doubt them in general?

Being consistent is the most important thing, when you have the quality to reach something. Being inconsistent means you struggle.


Says he isn’t a “clown” and his mood is affected by what’s happened in recent weeks

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Meanwhile, sugardaddy incoming?
Saudi 'investment agreement' to be announced at Liverpool - here's why

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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 3 2017, 01:39 PM)
So far still havent filled in the big shoe of Stevie. Dont think u can put him alongside any of our club skipper and says he of the equal... Maybe time can help, and time is on his side
So the Suarez factor again? 1 and a half season of overperforming leads us to thinking that he could be THE player to bring the glory days back? That's what u mean right? There might be some truth in this  hmm.gif

But again, only time can tell.. And we really need to add more game changers to our team. Mane could be one, just look at his first goal for us vs Arsenal, he just doesnt do it often enough?
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I don't know. That is just an observation.

Or all we know is that Klopp isn't much of a difference from Wodgers. Can talk and make media like him, make fans feel hopeful. And can only perform in half of the games.
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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Mar 3 2017, 11:14 PM)
I don't know. That is just an observation.

Or all we know is that Klopp isn't much of a difference from Wodgers. Can talk and make media like him, make fans feel hopeful. And can only perform in half of the games.
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Well yeah, at the beginning of Klopp's stint that kinda freak me out. But Klopp has actually achieved something, winning 2 league titles in a row, which is the hallmark for a really good manager. In a way, he also helped to revolutionize Bayern to what they're today.

Meanwhile BR was more like a politician, talk the talk but fell when asked to walk.
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Well yeah, at the beginning of Klopp's stint that kinda freak me out. But Klopp has actually achieved something, winning 2 league titles in a row, which is the hallmark for a really good manager. In a way, he also helped to revolutionize Bayern to what they're today.

Meanwhile BR was more like a politician, talk the talk but fell when asked to walk.
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Well, winning 2 leagues but still have lower points in 55 games compare to Wodgers.
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 3 2017, 11:42 PM)
Well yeah, at the beginning of Klopp's stint that kinda freak me out. But Klopp has actually achieved something, winning 2 league titles in a row, which is the hallmark for a really good manager. In a way, he also helped to revolutionize Bayern to what they're today.

Meanwhile BR was more like a politician, talk the talk but fell when asked to walk.
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Bayern? You mean Dortmund?
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Well, winning 2 leagues but still have lower points in 55 games compare to Wodgers.
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Different league mar. And Rodgers had mighty SAS for the goals for a season and a half

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Bayern? You mean Dortmund?
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No, i meant Bayern. His Dortmund pushed Bayern all the way to realize their own weakness and revolutionize to become what they're today, in terms playing style, not financially of course.

As for his contributions to Dortmund, it's already well known biggrin.gif
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its in new balance, and minority share only.

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Sanchez on the bench for Arsenal, no Ozil. Welbeck and Giroud start, Wenger going for our weakness!?
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klopp with practically the same line-up except klavan for lucas...let see if arsenal gonna follow "how to beat liverpool" template
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QUOTE(jacckl @ Mar 5 2017, 12:50 AM)
klopp with practically the same line-up except klavan for lucas...let see if arsenal gonna follow "how to beat liverpool" template
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 5 2017, 12:52 AM)
Good thing is that Arsenal cant defend in numbers in their own box even if their lives depend on it lol
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it is easy to defend against liverpool now...defend deep, pack the center, wait for mistakes from liverpool and score a goal, or two with counter attack and set piece.
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QUOTE(jacckl @ Mar 5 2017, 12:55 AM)
it is easy to defend against liverpool now...defend deep, pack the center, wait for mistakes from liverpool and score a goal, or two with counter attack and set piece.
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But Arsenal are prone to crumble under pressure too. Gonna be one hell of a match, full with mistakes
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QUOTE(jacckl @ Mar 5 2017, 12:55 AM)
it is easy to defend against liverpool now...defend deep, pack the center, wait for mistakes from liverpool and score a goal, or two with counter attack and set piece.
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We have not played like that a long time already. I think probably Wenger is going for that tactic today.

Here's to a great game
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 5 2017, 12:57 AM)
But Arsenal are prone to crumble under pressure too. Gonna be one hell of a match, full with mistakes
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teams that prone to errors and mistakes somehow revive themselves against liverpool so i would not bet against that. having said that, arsenal is top team so with robin hood mode on, we will win biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Mikken @ Mar 5 2017, 12:58 AM)
We have not played like that a long time already. I think probably Wenger is going for that tactic today.

Here's to a great game
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if wenger seen liv vs spurs match, he should know teams with high defence line will crumble. i doubt wenger is that stupid, he still need top 4 finish
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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Mar 3 2017, 11:14 PM)
I don't know. That is just an observation.

Or all we know is that Klopp isn't much of a difference from Wodgers. Can talk and make media like him, make fans feel hopeful. And can only perform in half of the games.
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Robin hood!!!
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Against a top side,

Liverpool played like champs. Hope I don't say it too soon
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I thought we might finally "slip up"... Well Im happy to be proven wrong, half way now
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How is that not our 3rd goal...
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Against a top side,

Liverpool played like champs. Hope I don't say it too soon
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predictable pattern. I think we could win champions league with this kind of pattern cos there are all top side in the competition.
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predictable pattern. I think we could win champions league with this kind of pattern cos there are all top side in the competition.
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Woohooo!!!!! Robin hood mode activated! 2 more games to come.
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Burnley next week.

You know the drill boys. *fingers crossed*
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What a robin hood type of performance. sweat.gif Next week Burnley, but Burnley is quite safe from relegation, so please don't gift the points.

Anyway, anyone know why Sanchez is on the bench until 2nd half only come on?

Btw, does anyone notice? We are the highest scoring team again, typical Liverpool, high scoring and high concede.

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QUOTE(stickmanchong17 @ Mar 5 2017, 01:01 AM)
Klopp did not win the Bundesliga in his first or second season. He won it in his 3RD SEASON. Give him some time & hopefully he'll win it for us nxt season, meanwhile cross your fingers that he'll guide Liverpool to a top 4 finish this season~  nod.gif
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I did not say he is to go. He is a top manager as proven again last night. He just needs to find a solution playing against team who defend. He does extremely well against teams who play attacking football and that's how we won against Spurs and Arsenal.

Now, we cannot win 3-1 against Arsenal and then go on to struggle against Burnley for 80 minutes and let them score a last minute goal from a counter. That's what I've been trying to say.
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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Mar 5 2017, 10:01 AM)
I did not say he is to go. He is a top manager as proven again last night. He just needs to find a solution playing against team who defend. He does extremely well against teams who play attacking football and that's how we won against Spurs and Arsenal.

Now, we cannot win 3-1 against Arsenal and then go on to struggle against Burnley for 80 minutes and let them score a last minute goal from a counter. That's what I've been trying to say.
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That's right. Any manager who took a club to two finals in his half maiden season is worth his salt.

But Kloppo needs to have a fckin plan B and learn how to deal with clubs which sit deep and don't offer them spaces to run around.

And FFS, FSG, spend some money on quality. The price of an Average Joe nowadays already cost 20mil.
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Mar 5 2017, 10:34 AM)
That's right. Any manager who took a club to two finals in his half maiden season is worth his salt.

But Kloppo needs to have a fckin plan B and learn how to deal with clubs which sit deep and don't offer them spaces to run around.

And FFS, FSG, spend some money on quality. The price of an Average Joe nowadays already cost 20mil.
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I thought he was given money. Just didn't want to spend in January which I agree. Again, a team with Coutinho, Lallana, Mane, Firminho and the likes, should not struggle 4 games in a row against bottom half teams.
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Mar 5 2017, 10:34 AM)
That's right. Any manager who took a club to two finals in his half maiden season is worth his salt.

But Kloppo needs to have a fckin plan B and learn how to deal with clubs which sit deep and don't offer them spaces to run around.

And FFS, FSG, spend some money on quality. The price of an Average Joe nowadays already cost 20mil.
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Stop blaming FSG for not spending. If they are guilty at all they are not alone. When it comes to spending Klopp is as stubborn as he can be. One of the biggest weakness he has is that he can have too much faith in his players despite their average qualities. Always willing to give them time to improve, the Dortmund model, but unfortunately many of us here just aren't patient enough or the fact that the PL is just too competitive for that kind of patience.

Fortunately though Klopp may be beginning to see light. He has given indication of willingness to spend on up to 6 players this summer. Just hope that we manage to luck out and finish top 4 in the meanwhile. Klopp's first two seasons at Dortmund weren't particularly eventful too but by the third season the squad was practically unrecognizable. We shall see.
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have to concur that winning the league is not the aim for this season, but top 4 instead.

No point spending unnecessary money on jan window as the players are generally more expensive. Is a big risk tho, what if we cant make it to the top 4? so, thats the risk klopp s taking now.... lets hope we can play better and secure at least 4th. with 2 games played and 3rd is not comfortable, the fate is in our opponents hand to screw up. we can only pray at the moment tongue.gif
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not much activity in last winter transfer window in all top leagues and the price didn't actually fluctuated. normally the price will go much higher in summer window especially during or after international competition and also after local individual awards winner is announced. city got wonderkid g.jesus for less than 30m, soton get in form gabbiadini for less than 15m. payet is just at same price with wijnaldum and draxler is about Mané price. even depay is much more cheaper than markovic. it’s not about the price though but not many club want to let their player go mid season and not many player prepare to move out to another city all the sudden.
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The problem is whether Klopp willing to cash in super expensive proven players?
No eye see if he again decided to buy a few average players with above average price tag.

Antoine Griezmann is the hot cake now, I wanna see where he will ended up in the next season.
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Mar 6 2017, 11:23 AM)
The problem is whether Klopp willing to cash in super expensive proven players?
No eye see if he again decided to buy a few average players with above average price tag.

Antoine Griezmann is the hot cake now, I wanna see where he will ended up in the next season.
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Mar 6 2017, 11:23 AM)
The problem is whether Klopp willing to cash in super expensive proven players?
No eye see if he again decided to buy a few average players with above average price tag.

Antoine Griezmann is the hot cake now, I wanna see where he will ended up in the next season.
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Super expensive proven players has never been Liverpool's transfer policy anyway. All the best players we've signed in the past 20 or so years are players who have yet to reach their peaks when we signed them. And signing big name stars is not the only way to success. Few teams ever employ that strategy anyway. Just look at the likes of Bayern, Chelsea and Juventus. Bayern picking up a young Ribery from Marseille. Chelsea picking up a very young Hazard from Lille. Juventus picking up young Dybala from Palermo. They are all young players with big potential signed with big sums but definitely not super expensive ones.

Players like Griezmann wouldn't even consider Liverpool. It doesn't matter how much money we throw at him. Players of that calibre already make loads of cash and can earn just as much elsewhere at a club that actually consistently challenges for trophies. Something major would have to shift in order for us to compete for these players, like getting a multi billionaire owner like PSG/City.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Mar 6 2017, 08:10 PM)
Super expensive proven players has never been Liverpool's transfer policy anyway. All the best players we've signed in the past 20 or so years are players who have yet to reach their peaks when we signed them. And signing big name stars is not the only way to success. Few teams ever employ that strategy anyway. Just look at the likes of Bayern, Chelsea and Juventus. Bayern picking up a young Ribery from Marseille. Chelsea picking up a very young Hazard from Lille. Juventus picking up young Dybala from Palermo. They are all young players with big potential signed with big sums but definitely not super expensive ones.

Players like Griezmann wouldn't even consider Liverpool. It doesn't matter how much money we throw at him. Players of that calibre already make loads of cash and can earn just as much elsewhere at a club that actually consistently challenges for trophies. Something major would have to shift in order for us to compete for these players, like getting a multi billionaire owner like PSG/City.
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I am not even sure if Klopp is capable of spotting a gem.

Haha of course I know we will never land Griezmann here, but I am just curious where he will be ending up next season.
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I am not even sure if Klopp is capable of spotting a gem.

Haha of course I know we will never land Griezmann here, but I am just curious where he will be ending up next season.
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Yes that's the difficult part. It's easier when you are a club challenging on all fronts with loads of cash to burn. These clubs can just go for the more proven up and coming young players. Like when Chelsea signed Hazard who although very young was already Ligue 1 Player of the Year. This summer many top clubs will be fighting for the gems at Monaco especially Mbappe who is likely to cost even more than Martial. For someone like us we will inevitably have to settle for players a tier or two lower, which increases the risk of course - example Markovic. It's just the sad truth that we are not capable of competing with the super elites. We lost out on Ousmane Dembele to Dortmund because frankly Dortmund is better than us at the moment. Have little to no chance of signing Pulisic. And this is not a lack of money, Dortmund themselves run on a much tighter budget than ours. Sad thing is these are not even the top tier wonderkids that we are losing out on.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Mar 7 2017, 01:30 PM)
Yes that's the difficult part. It's easier when you are a club challenging on all fronts with loads of cash to burn. These clubs can just go for the more proven up and coming young players. Like when Chelsea signed Hazard who although very young was already Ligue 1 Player of the Year. This summer many top clubs will be fighting for the gems at Monaco especially Mbappe who is likely to cost even more than Martial. For someone like us we will inevitably have to settle for players a tier or two lower, which increases the risk of course - example Markovic. It's just the sad truth that we are not capable of competing with the super elites. We lost out on Ousmane Dembele to Dortmund because frankly Dortmund is better than us at the moment. Have little to no chance of signing Pulisic. And this is not a lack of money, Dortmund themselves run on a much tighter budget than ours. Sad thing is these are not even the top tier wonderkids that we are losing out on.
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it wasn't easy to sign him either.. had to win a UCL to convince him to sign
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Exactly what I'm saying. It ain't easy signing a player everyone knows will be a world class player in a few years time. You must have the cash to splash AND a good recent track record in challenging for trophies to convince them to sign. It's not simply a case of whoever throws the most money at the player gets the player.

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I thought we can't afford high wage rate.
But we outspend rich clubs.

Well, I just leave it here.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/footb...ets-25-12700881
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Mar 7 2017, 11:34 PM)
I thought we can't afford high wage rate.
But we outspend rich clubs.

Well, I just leave it here.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/footb...ets-25-12700881
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And Can's agent wants to double his wage..
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That doesn't include existing wage.

I heard this news on radio yesterday.
And I googled it and I posted the news here.

Existing wage rate is already higher than ManC/ManU/Chelsea/Tottenham/Arsenal.

So, please don't use an excuse our club can't afford high wage.
It's utterly bullshit.

Remember how ManC and Chelsea started?
They signed star players with high wage even though they're not UCL qualified.
Remember how West Ham signed Tevez and Mascherano?
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The total number of staff employed by Liverpool climbed from 636 to 700 from June 2015 to May 2016. Of those 500 are in ‘administration, commercial and other’ with 139 ‘players, managers and coaches’ and 61 ‘ground and maintenance staff’..
This is from company accounts & would include wages paid to all employees, not just playing staff. Might also include severance payments to Rodgers & his coaching team as well.

Just because LFC has more staff & higher total wages for the last FY, doesn't mean the club can afford to pay higher player wages.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Mar 8 2017, 09:13 AM)
That doesn't include existing wage.

I heard this news on radio yesterday.
And I googled it and I posted the news here.

Existing wage rate is already higher than ManC/ManU/Chelsea/Tottenham/Arsenal.

So, please don't use an excuse our club can't afford high wage.
It's utterly bullshit.

Remember how ManC and Chelsea started?
They signed star players with high wage even though they're not UCL qualified.
Remember how West Ham signed Tevez and Mascherano?
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You can choose either high salary or more transfer money. There is no both unless you are ManCity or Chelsea. Our net spend this season was 0.5m (some report even say we profited 6m from the transfer) just google you will see the figure.

If our owner is like ManCity or Chelsea then of coz you wouldnt have any problem but do you think FSG are the same with them?

Arsenal still manage to attract players is due to their consistency in the league.

Tottenham doesnt buy star players, they find potential star plus they are more consistent than us in the past 5 years. You dont need crazy high wages for potential players. The only problem is that now they are finding it hard to keep their key players with the current wage.

In the end high wages doesnt mean you can attract star players if that is what you want to talk about. Consistent staying in the top league is very important unless you have owner like ManCity where they were willing to spend to build a team to challenge the honours.

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Buying star players is not the only way to success but it has been proven Year after year bar Leicester's season that you need to spend big to win trophies. But just how many miracles like Leicester City will happened in our lifetime?

Chelsea didn't spend a lot? Hazard's transfer is a poor citation of Chelsea's spending habits in the past few seasons. They were literally splashing the cash ever since Abrams took over to get to where they are now.

So does Man City.

Don't get me wrong I'm not asking FSG to splurge in the transfer market like buying 5-6 players at 50mil in one go but let's be honest, if every season we can get a 50 mil signing quality and build from there, we don't have to be hunting replacements for average joes every year.

If you want the club to eye for hidden gems or the next Messi, then be prepared to play the waiting game and re-evaluate the team n manager every 5 year cycle, like what we are doing now. The club has plenty of talented players but they are lacking a TALISMAN at present.

A talisman who can be found with cash instantly OR you may get lucky to find one in every 20 average joes we buy. It's either that or you recruit the entire staff from La Masia or Ajax academy.

At this rate, 20 years down the road Liverpool will become the present Arsenal irregardless of how good Klopp is. Always Full of potential but never able to harness it to the max.


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Buying star players is not the only way to success but it has been proven Year after year bar Leicester's season that you need to spend big to win trophies. But just how many miracles like Leicester City will happened in our lifetime?

Chelsea didn't spend a lot? Hazard's transfer is a poor citation of Chelsea's spending habits in the past few seasons. They were literally splashing the cash ever since Abrams took over to get to where they are now.

So does Man City.

Don't get me wrong I'm not asking FSG to splurge in the transfer market like buying 5-6 players at 50mil in one go but let's be honest, if every season we can get a 50 mil signing quality and build from there, we don't have to be hunting replacements for average joes every year.

If you want the club to eye for hidden gems or the next Messi, then be prepared to play the waiting game and re-evaluate the team n manager every 5 year cycle, like what we are doing now. The club has plenty of talented players but they are lacking a TALISMAN at present.

A talisman who can be found with cash instantly OR you may get lucky to find one in every 20 average joes we buy. It's either that or you recruit the entire staff from La Masia or Ajax academy.

At this rate, 20 years down the road Liverpool will become the present Arsenal irregardless of how good Klopp is. Always Full of potential but never able to harness it to the max.
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Spot on bro.

But right now I am not sure player will come to LFC even if we are ready to splurge the cash due to our poor league record.

No matter how we want to deny it, we are no longer the LFC that we used to be.

But yes we should at least try to target elite player every season and just offer big sum of money and get done with it. We are in no position to play hard ball with the player that we want to sign.

On other unrelated news, Arsenal is really taking the whole Brexit to another level brows.gif
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On other unrelated news, Arsenal is really taking the whole Brexit to another level  brows.gif
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Well they get money to be kicked out, what does our club get?
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Mar 8 2017, 10:12 AM)
Buying star players is not the only way to success but it has been proven Year after year bar Leicester's season that you need to spend big to win trophies. But just how many miracles like Leicester City will happened in our lifetime?

Chelsea didn't spend a lot? Hazard's transfer is a poor citation of Chelsea's spending habits in the past few seasons. They were literally splashing the cash ever since Abrams took over to get to where they are now.

So does Man City.


Don't get me wrong I'm not asking FSG to splurge in the transfer market like buying 5-6 players at 50mil in one go but let's be honest, if every season we can get a 50 mil signing quality and build from there, we don't have to be hunting replacements for average joes every year.

If you want the club to eye for hidden gems or the next Messi, then be prepared to play the waiting game and re-evaluate the team n manager every 5 year cycle, like what we are doing now. The club has plenty of talented players but they are lacking a TALISMAN at present.

A talisman who can be found with cash instantly OR you may get lucky to find one in every 20 average joes we buy. It's either that or you recruit the entire staff from La Masia or Ajax academy.

At this rate, 20 years down the road Liverpool will become the present Arsenal irregardless of how good Klopp is. Always Full of potential but never able to harness it to the max.
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Except the fact that they did so before FFP was introduced. The reason FFP was introduced is to prevent a repeat of Chelsea, City and PSG.

Let's put all that FFP stuff aside though. Sure we can go after a 50m player this summer but the bigger question is how do you convince said player to join? What Chelsea, City and PSG did when they started was to sell the "billion dollar project" to the players they wanna sign. Top players don't want to be the only world class player in an average squad. World class players want to play alongside world class players or you would end up in a situation like Sanchez at Arsenal. So you can't just go picking these players up slowly every year. It has to be a sudden massive investment over a year or two.

Also it depends what you define as a hidden gem. If you are talking about picking up a 17 year old no ones ever heard of from a random country and hoping that he would turn into Messi then that would of course be too far fetched. But the likes of Torres and Suarez are hidden gems too in my books. They weren't household names when we signed them but they weren't complete unknowns either. They had quality but no one expected them to far exceed our expectations. These are the gems I'm hoping we could find - players currently a tier or two below names everyone knows like Griezmann or Pogba but could potentially reach their level.
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QUOTE(melt @ Mar 8 2017, 10:03 AM)
You can choose either high salary or more transfer money. There is no both unless you are ManCity or Chelsea. Our net spend this season was 0.5m (some report even say we profited 6m from the transfer) just google you will see the figure.

If our owner is like ManCity or Chelsea then of coz you wouldnt have any problem but do you think FSG are the same with them?

Arsenal still manage to attract players is due to their consistency in the league.

Tottenham doesnt buy star players, they find potential star plus they are more consistent than us in the past 5 years. You dont need crazy high wages for potential players.  The only problem is that now they are finding it hard to keep their key players with the current wage.

In the end high wages doesnt mean you can attract star players if that is what you want to talk about. Consistent staying in the top league is very important unless you have owner like ManCity where they were willing to spend to build a team to challenge the honours.
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We splashed money in transfer market like Commies™.

Go check how much money Kenny Dalglish, Roy Hodgson and Brendan Rogers wasted.

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Mar 8 2017, 11:39 AM)
We splashed money in transfer market like Commies™.

Go check how much money Kenny Dalglish, Roy Hodgson and Brendan Rogers wasted.
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That was a poor decision on the market nothing to do with the wages.



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off topic: poor arsenal. started the game so well but the referee ruins it. soft penalty in the first place then change decision from a yellow card to a straight red. first time i ever saw this.
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QUOTE(melt @ Mar 8 2017, 12:11 PM)
That was a poor decision on the market nothing to do with the wages.
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We have tons of money to spend on transfer market.
We outspend all EPL clubs in wage.

No problem with wage and transfer money.
We have plenty of them to splash.
That's my point.

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ManC and Chelsea got trophies after spending big. It's justified.

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Mar 8 2017, 11:11 AM)
Except the fact that they did so before FFP was introduced. The reason FFP was introduced is to prevent a repeat of Chelsea, City and PSG.

Let's put all that FFP stuff aside though. Sure we can go after a 50m player this summer but the bigger question is how do you convince said player to join? What Chelsea, City and PSG did when they started was to sell the "billion dollar project" to the players they wanna sign. Top players don't want to be the only world class player in an average squad. World class players want to play alongside world class players or you would end up in a situation like Sanchez at Arsenal. So you can't just go picking these players up slowly every year. It has to be a sudden massive investment over a year or two.

Also it depends what you define as a hidden gem. If you are talking about picking up a 17 year old no ones ever heard of from a random country and hoping that he would turn into Messi then that would of course be too far fetched. But the likes of Torres and Suarez are hidden gems too in my books. They weren't household names when we signed them but they weren't complete unknowns either. They had quality but no one expected them to far exceed our expectations. These are the gems I'm hoping we could find - players currently a tier or two below names everyone knows like Griezmann or Pogba but could potentially reach their level.
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Torres and Suarez were not hidden gems imho. They were already making waves before we took them in.

Torres was already captaining AM at a young age and playing week in week out while Suarez was an established player at Ajax with double digit goal record in a modest Dutch League. Yes they were not exactly galacticos level when they signed with Liverpool but they were way too mature to be called a hidden gem.

Remember those days where Liverpool fished for the biggest names and established internationals who excel in Europoean League n International competitions?

Patrick Berger, Diouf, Babbel, Hamann, Cisse, Morientes, Mascherano, Kuyt

Not all of them turned out well but at least the intent was there. Now we can't even get Marco Reus.

You mentioned massive investment is required. The last 2 major investments we had were the time when we bought Torres, Babel, Benayoun and the other time was when we splashed on the British brigade during KK's reign. Coincidentally, these two massive investments occurred at the time when we had new owners , trying to make an impression for themselves so to speak...and the rest is history.

I'm watching Arsenal vs Bayern replay as I typed this. Bayern has a marquee player in every freaking position from Boateng to Lewandoski. You will be amazed how many of the first 11 were actually groomed from their own academy. They poached the best players and the best players only, that's y they are so successful.

On the contrary, Arsenal has a lot of talented youngsters and probably A few established internationals in the first 11. Established, but not exactly world class level apart from Sanchez and Ozil. And that's how they get mauled 2-10 agg. Because the gulf of class is just too big.





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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Mar 8 2017, 12:19 PM)
We have tons of money to spend on transfer market.
We outspend all EPL clubs in wage.

No problem with wage and transfer money.
We have plenty of them to splash.
That's my point.

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ManC and Chelsea got trophies after spending big. It's justified.
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You do know that right that the tones of money come from selling our best player?

Can you name a few player that we missed out because of wages or because we cant afford?

Your P/S will be back to my question to you.
Spending big only if you have owner like Chelsea/ManCity. Do we have one?
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Mar 8 2017, 12:23 PM)
Torres and Suarez were not hidden gems imho. They were already making waves before we took them in.

Torres was already captaining AM at a young age and playing week in week out while Suarez was an established player at Ajax with double digit goal record in a modest Dutch League. Yes they were not exactly galacticos level when they signed with Liverpool but they were way too mature to be called a hidden gem.

Remember those days where Liverpool fished for the biggest names and established internationals who excel in Europoean League n International competitions?

Patrick Berger, Diouf, Babbel, Hamann, Cisse, Morientes, Mascherano, Kuyt


Not all of them turned out well but at least the intent was there. Now we can't even get Marco Reus.

You mentioned massive investment is required. The last 2 major investments we had were the time when we bought Torres, Babel, Benayoun and the other time was when we splashed on the British brigade during KK's reign. Coincidentally, these two massive investments occurred at the time when we had new owners , trying to make an impression for themselves so to speak...and the rest is history.

I'm watching Arsenal vs Bayern replay as I typed this. Bayern has a marquee player in every freaking position from Boateng to Lewandoski. You will be amazed how many of the first 11 were actually groomed from their own academy. They poached the best players and the best players only, that's y they are so successful.

On the contrary, Arsenal has a lot of talented youngsters and probably A few established internationals in the first 11. Established, but not exactly world class level apart from Sanchez and Ozil. And that's how they get mauled 2-10 agg. Because the gulf of class is just too big.
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I wouldn't refer to those signings (except for Mascherano) as an example of our statement of intent though. It would be like signing Wijnaldum and calling it a top signing because he is an established international and not only captained his club to league victory in Netherlands but also won Dutch POTY over Depay. Even Mascherano at the time was just a young player with potential but was branded a flop at West Ham before Rafa handed him an escape route.

Using Marco Reus as an example, we will never be able to sign the Marco Reus today but we could definitely compete for the Marco Reus at Monchengladbach before he made the move to Dortmund. That's the type of players I think we should be targeting - players on the verge of a breakout season.

What I also don't get is what do some people here mean when they say we need to stop signing players with potential and bring in players who can contribute immediately instead? I hear it when we were linked with Pulisic/Brandt. But these are exactly the type of calibre of players we've had success with in the past, Torres anyone? Highly rated young player tipped for a bright future and is already an established first team player. What's the difference?

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Not a statement of intent?

Berger was part of the successful euro 96 Czech squad the golden generation alongside Poborsky, Smicer, Nedved

Diouf was a star at 2002 WC, in fact the talismanic striker of the Senegalese team

Cisse was the French League top scorer for consecutive seasons if I'm not wrong. ( try to poach a top scorer from any Major European league today) and see how much they cost...

Hamann is an established player in Bayern Munich , league winner and in German national squad. So did Babbel

Ryan Babel in his heydays was dubbed as the Thierry Henry, one of the biggest up and coming stars ( turns out to be a dud)

Morientes is playing second fiddle to Raul in RM and Spain squad but whacking in goals consistently nonetheless whenever he is called up.

Make no mistake about the hype. Liverpool fans were over the moon and we got these names in those days.

Now it seems to me Liverpool is more interested in finding the next Gerrard or next Suarez than actually finding the marquee players we needed so bad. Which reminds me of poor Arsenal again.. they snapped up the best young English talent perennially and look at where they are now. Walcott? The Ox?
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Mar 8 2017, 01:05 PM)
Not a statement of intent?

Berger was part of the successful euro 96 Czech squad the golden generation alongside Poborsky, Smicer, Nedved

Diouf was a star at 2002 WC, in fact the talismanic striker of the Senegalese team

Cisse was the French League top scorer for consecutive seasons if I'm not wrong. ( try to poach a top scorer from any Major European league today) and see how much they cost...

Hamann is an established player in Bayern Munich , league winner and in German national squad. So did Babbel

Ryan Babel in his heydays was dubbed as the Thierry Henry, one of the biggest up and coming stars ( turns out to be a dud)

Morientes is playing second fiddle to Raul in RM and Spain squad but whacking in goals consistently nonetheless whenever he is called up.

Make no mistake about the hype. Liverpool fans were over the moon and we got these names in those days.

Now it seems to me Liverpool is more interested in finding the next Gerrard or next Suarez than actually finding the marquee players we needed so bad. Which reminds me of poor Arsenal again.. they snapped up the best young English talent perennially and look at where they are now. Walcott? The Ox?
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Wow I guess I'm the odd one then who wasn't excited over those signings. I never once thought those would be the signings would be the ones to leads us back to the top. And besides, those labels you put on them mean nothing really. You could place similar labels onto some of our recent signings too. Origi the Belgian 2014 WC star? Markovic touted as the next big thing even Chelsea kept an eye on him for years? Milner brings with him experience of winning titles? Sakho the young captain of PSG? Balotelli with all the talent in the world and starred for Italy in Euro 2012? And Wijnaldum too as I've mentioned. In fact, some of our best signings under Rafa were the ones who aren't established names - Xabi, Reina, Mascherano, Agger? If anything it proves that signing well established names is far from guaranteed success either.

What's immediately noticeable though when looking back is that we really do have quite an eye for duds.
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we don't need to get the biggest name in football but we need more mané type of signing. how he won the heart of liverpool fan in just a few games played and still our best player so far this season.
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Fuhhh Barcelona, how is that even possible. blink.gif

3 goals in the last 10mins.
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Fuhhh Barcelona, how is that even possible.  blink.gif

3 goals in the last 10mins.
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They channeled their inner Liverpool tongue.gif

But seriously it's better than our comeback against Dortmund last season. Though still not comparable to Istanbul, considering the occasion and circumstances.
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QUOTE(sahathai @ Mar 8 2017, 10:21 PM)
we don't need to get the biggest name in football but we need more mané type of signing. how he won the heart of liverpool fan in just a few games played and still our best player so far this season.
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later some big clubs come calling. will he go?
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later some big clubs come calling. will he go?
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if we can find replacement with same or better quality and make profit then it's ok. that's football, players come and go.

what an incredible display from barça. 3 centre back has becoming mainstream now. Enrique shows his brilliance in tactic with 31213 formation. no wing back but wingers (neymar n rafinha) always hugging the line. i saw klopp try that in second half against Leicester. unfortunately we are too narrow. cramped in the middle, make it harder to break them.
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6-1. All the star power you need to overturn a 4-0 deficit.

Only from the best of the best.
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https://twitter.com/XabiAlonso/status/83977...6510848/photo/1

Bye Bye Xabi Alonso. bye.gif

Meanwhile, James Pearce from Echo say LFC will face fierce competition in signing RB Leipzig Naby Keita.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/footb...vice=responsive

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Mar 8 2017, 05:49 PM)
Wow I guess I'm the odd one then who wasn't excited over those signings. I never once thought those would be the signings would be the ones to leads us back to the top. And besides, those labels you put on them mean nothing really. You could place similar labels onto some of our recent signings too. Origi the Belgian 2014 WC star? Markovic touted as the next big thing even Chelsea kept an eye on him for years? Milner brings with him experience of winning titles? Sakho the young captain of PSG? Balotelli with all the talent in the world and starred for Italy in Euro 2012? And Wijnaldum too as I've mentioned. In fact, some of our best signings under Rafa were the ones who aren't established names - Xabi, Reina, Mascherano, Agger? If anything it proves that signing well established names is far from guaranteed success either.

What's immediately noticeable though when looking back is that we really do have quite an eye for duds.
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Rafa signed not because of names but within the budget that the players seemed best in the market. or at least the combination of transfer & wages

yup sometimes certain things mystify me about liverpoolfc (the running off)

we seemed to be up there amongst the best earners, well top 10 in europe if i remember correctly. off course no way near real madrid, barcelona and the biggest earner ManU. BUT we aren't exactly the paupers of clubs.

YET, time and again, We appear to miss out game players, fine we invest into the future, for the future (i believe thats one of the criteria FSG HAS put out for Klopp) But we need to have a top players as Spine of the team.

We had a great one under Rafa (spine).

Reina, Agger, Mascherano, Xabi, Gerrard, Torres

no particular order when they came in. [b]BUT{?B} we always lacked the supporting good players. All top big clubs, bayern, RMadrid, Barcelona etc.


current team under kloop? We have better supporting players now than before BUT we don't have real spine of a team. Its the other way around. Do we get them? I mean as carloz28 believe that we should, as to really be amongst the big guns.

(of course) I wished.

But I know it won't happen under FSG. my gut feeling.

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Firmino a doubt for Burnley, as is Lovren. Sturridge and Henderson definitely miss out.
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My job, how I understand it, is to help them find the right decisions easier. That’s what training is for. We have to prove it on the pitch. Before Arsenal, the mood was optimistic. In this moment I’m not sure we will win against Burnley but I’m quite optimistic, because if I can bring our boys on to the pitch, and not expect an easy game.

We’re ready for the fight.


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600, though! That’s a number and a few to come, that’s impressive.

It’s possible for a player like Milly, that’s why we used him there.


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“We’ve spoken for a while about it, we are not 100 percent sure how it could work. Nobody is 100 percent sure, that’s why a test makes sense,” he explained.

“It would not be the solution, because let’s take Barcelona’s penalty on Suarez [vs. PSG] for example.

“The arm was there, chest, did he push or not, is it 100 percent clear in a video situation?

“It would help a lot in offside situations, makes life easier for referees. You could use them to know more, someone with a better view.

“It’s good to test it, and we see how it works in other sports—it works pretty well, so why shouldn’t it in football?

“We have discussions in-game, and we could minimise these and give time for the referee to make a decision. It probably would be good, but we’ll see.”




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Wow , he outright said he has no plan B...
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Wow ,  he outright said he has no plan B...
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QUOTE(socratesman @ Mar 11 2017, 08:41 AM)
Wow ,  he outright said he has no plan B...
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actually, if he has a plan B...can the players he has carry it out?
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 11 2017, 12:09 PM)
actually, if he has a plan B...can the players he has carry it out?
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Probably if we don't sell Benteke to Palace last summer, we might have a decent plan B to deal with those team who parked their buses.. Probably.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(coolmast3r @ Mar 11 2017, 12:44 PM)
Probably if we don't sell Benteke to Palace last summer, we might have a decent plan B to deal with those team who parked their buses.. Probably.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(socratesman @ Mar 11 2017, 08:41 AM)
Wow ,  he outright said he has no plan B...
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No surprise really. Dortmund fans will tell you that much. It's well documented he has his preferred style of play and he sticks to it no matter what. That's one of his weaknesses.

QUOTE(coolmast3r @ Mar 11 2017, 12:44 PM)
Probably if we don't sell Benteke to Palace last summer, we might have a decent plan B to deal with those team who parked their buses.. Probably.. tongue.gif
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Simply having a big targetman doesn't automatically mean he knows how to utilize him or even has the tools to utilize him. That style of play requires speedy wingers of which we are lacking which is why we play very narrow with so many attacking midfielders upfront. Benteke was here last season and was given plenty of chances to impress Klopp but Klopp did not once employ a tactic to suit Benteke rather requiring Benteke to adept to his tactics.
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QUOTE(coolmast3r @ Mar 11 2017, 12:44 PM)
Probably if we don't sell Benteke to Palace last summer, we might have a decent plan B to deal with those team  who parked their buses.. Probably.. tongue.gif
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He was one of top earners. We already have Struj, can't afford another highly paid bench warmer.
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firmino injured, origi replaces him.

final line up:
mignolet, clyne, matip, klavan, milner, can, wijnaldum, lallana, coutinho, mane, origi
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QUOTE(jacckl @ Mar 12 2017, 11:02 PM)
firmino injured, origi replaces him.

final line up:
mignolet, clyne, matip, klavan, milner, can, wijnaldum, lallana, coutinho, mane, origi
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Edit: Our bench, though.... Hope to see Wilson in action

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hmm lfc haven't won 2 league games in a row this season?
Burnley still haven't won away yet.
so which will happen today? or a draw? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 12 2017, 11:56 PM)
hmm lfc haven't won 2 league games in a row this season?
Burnley still haven't won away yet.
so which will happen today? or a draw? tongue.gif
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First part big wrong bro. Liverpool have won 4 in a row twice, and 3 in a row once.

Liverpool League Results

Burnley certainly havent won away, that should change today. tongue.gif

And there we go.

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Burnley have scored 3 goals from 3 shots on target against us this season.

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First part big wrong bro. Liverpool have won 4 in a row twice, and 3 in a row once.

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Burnley certainly havent won away, that should change today. tongue.gif

And there we go.
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i was just passing on what the commentator said... sounded like McMahon...or maybe he meant this yr...
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Robin Hood mode on
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Can & Gini play means.. shit will happen
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other than replaces firmino with origi, the rest remain the same vs arsenal. this is tactical problem, not players.
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I been blaming our fullback for our leaking in goal this season...they(fullback) caught out completely of position so many time...worst than moreno
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oh wai... lala is playing... must as well be sitting on the side drinking tea.
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i wonder if klopp got study opposition defences or not... cos looks like he doesn't.
even pre-game commentary all said Burnley are weak in air and has conceded quite a few that way...
then again, not like we strong in the air... zzz.
if only we had our former loan defender cum striker in caulker tongue.gif
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Not just trailing but totally outplayed by Burnley at our home ground. Wtf is going on??
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 13 2017, 12:11 AM)
i was just passing on what the commentator said... sounded like McMahon...or maybe he meant this yr...
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even if liverpool given ibrahimovic, highly doubt our chances in air will increase. liverpool cant do shit in crosses and set piece
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 13 2017, 12:22 AM)
i wonder if klopp got study opposition defences or not... cos looks like he doesn't.
even pre-game commentary all said Burnley are weak in air and has conceded quite a few that way...
then again, not like we strong in the air... zzz.
if only we had our former loan defender cum striker in caulker tongue.gif
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He simply wanted Burnley to better equipped themselves for the game.

Robin hood after all doh.gif
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if u were illiterate n a little bit blind... u would swear this was man city playing against lfc.
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Gigi brings nothing to the team. I have said this before and will say it again.
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suddenly a team consisting of players like moreno, allen, benteke sounds better...
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well, im off to bed now, doesnt look like liverpool can do anything. i pity those fans who bought tickets and forced to watch this shit
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No penetration. Next 45 mins we will know what the team is made of...
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Mar 13 2017, 12:32 AM)
Gigi brings nothing to the team. I have said this before and will say it again.
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Thanks for a wake up call
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Lol. I will eat my humble pie
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He still sh*t though..
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QUOTE(sahathai @ Mar 13 2017, 12:48 AM)
He still sh*t though..
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our players really look uninspired, took some dumb luck to score
will the Liverpool that played against arsenal turn up this game...pretty please?
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That set piece was freaking shyte
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QUOTE(jialitrading @ Mar 13 2017, 12:11 AM)
Can & Gini play means.. shit will happen
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Woodburn comes on and can scored... woodburn=god
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That block by Ragnar the Red though...
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Mar 13 2017, 01:22 AM)
siapa kutuk gini dan can td?
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We need to condemn more
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Phew...

That long throw in at the end was wayyyyyy too close...
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pheww what a nervy end...luckily robin hood mode is off....
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Lucky to get a win.

First 2 shot on goal, 2 goals and this normally happen to our opponent.
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3 points, but seems like we still struggle to get them. Hope the luck can continue to be with us for the next 10 games.
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This is not robin hood mode off guys.

Remember, we rob the top teams and donate them to the relegation scrappers. Burnley is a mid table team now so no f is given to them. tongue.gif
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This is not robin hood mode off guys.

Remember, we rob the top teams and donate them to the relegation scrappers. Burnley is a mid table team now so no f is given to them. tongue.gif
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so we should be glad out of our remaining 10 games...only 2 are against the bottom 5.
ok la, 8x3 = 24pts...finish season on 79...not bad cool2.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 13 2017, 11:39 AM)
so we should be glad out of our remaining 10 games...only 2 are against the bottom 5.
ok la, 8x3 = 24pts...finish season on 79...not bad  cool2.gif
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Should be enough to get into UCL!

Let's get the celebration started guys! tongue.gif

Delusional!
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This is not robin hood mode off guys.

Remember, we rob the top teams and donate them to the relegation scrappers. Burnley is a mid table team now so no f is given to them. tongue.gif
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Except I would say Burnley were the better team with the better chances. We barely created anything and really lucked out with two lucky goals.

Our defending in the second half was much better but still had a few nervy moments where Burnley could easily have capitalized.
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Still, a win is a win. About damn time the team won ugly
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Mar 13 2017, 12:18 PM)
Except I would say Burnley were the better team with the better chances. We barely created anything and really lucked out with two lucky goals.

Our defending in the second half was much better but still had a few nervy moments where Burnley could easily have capitalized.
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It's about time the lady luck smiles upon us.

Heck, they scored with 1 SOT; over the season, 3 SOT, 3 goals over us...

I'd happily take the win, even if it wasnt pretty by any standards; better than play well, only to proceed to lose to a sucker punch (a counter-attack goal)
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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Mar 13 2017, 12:24 PM)
Still, a win is a win. About damn time the team won ugly
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Yes win ugly is good But on a personal capacity I wasted 2 hours watching this snoozefest
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seem like i didnt regret going off to bed early..well, 3 points is important though and we are still in top 4 race. next match vs mc away
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i realize that when we loose the ball, no 1 able to recover it quickly enough like we played in early season.

the gap between can n midfield section just too far, so we cannot recover quickly. although can n gini scored, they still play like shit. imo, lalana is the only player that run like mad dog to recover the ball.
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QUOTE(Batai @ Mar 13 2017, 12:54 PM)
i realize that when we loose the ball, no 1 able to recover it quickly enough like we played in early season.

the gap between can n midfield section just too far, so we cannot recover quickly. although can n gini scored, they still play like shit. imo, lalana is the only player that run like mad dog to recover the ball.
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QUOTE(Batai @ Mar 13 2017, 12:54 PM)
i realize that when we loose the ball, no 1 able to recover it quickly enough like we played in early season.

the gap between can n midfield section just too far, so we cannot recover quickly. although can n gini scored, they still play like shit. imo, lalana is the only player that run like mad dog to recover the ball.
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And please don't give Coutinho a pass just because there are other more obvious targets. He's been shit since his return from injury. He loses the ball far too easily and can't even run the ball past his markers.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Mar 13 2017, 01:04 PM)
And please don't give Coutinho a pass just because there are other more obvious targets. He's been shit since his return from injury. He loses the ball far too easily and can't even run the ball past his markers.
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Same goes to Mane. He was intercepted multiple times too... But he did get some decent pass as well.
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i realized yesterday we played more long balls than short passes. normally we will do a slow build up from mig upwards..

trying out new play styles perhaps?

and nothing went right yesterday, poor accuracy, no creativity and our corners were awful. milner should take the corner, cout has been shit.
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Watched the extended highlights, oh my what an ugly display from Liverpool. Almost all the Liverpool players put up a bad performance.
But I gladly take this 3points from lucky and ugly win!

And did Gini and Can knew they were being criticised badly here? Suddenly both of them score in the same game. laugh.gif
Despite scoring goals and secured the 3points, that still doesn't change my view on them. Both of them is still not good enough.

Can't wait for next week game vs ManCity, I want to see whether Liverpool is indeed robin hood. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Batai @ Mar 13 2017, 12:54 PM)
i realize that when we loose the ball, no 1 able to recover it quickly enough like we played in early season.

the gap between can n midfield section just too far, so we cannot recover quickly. although can n gini scored, they still play like shit. imo, lalana is the only player that run like mad dog to recover the ball.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Mar 13 2017, 01:04 PM)
And please don't give Coutinho a pass just because there are other more obvious targets. He's been shit since his return from injury. He loses the ball far too easily and can't even run the ball past his markers.
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That is why we can't score against these teams who defend. Our players do extremely well against teams who come to contest for points and we punish them. However, the players struggle to find space against teams who come to defend. Hence, making players like Coutinho, Firminho and Lallana less effective.

We really need a plan against these teams or at least players who can punish them. We don't need another Suarez but I reckon someone strong who is good in holding the ball in the box or head the ball from crosses. Currently we have 0. We have technically gifted players who will give defenders who sits high up the pitch a run for their money, but not for defenders who sits deep and wait for you to cross to nobody.
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kesian Liverpool echo Kena backlash.
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2017/03/means...lone-songsheet/

This post has been edited by Everdying: Mar 14 2017, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 14 2017, 12:34 PM)
Can't blame him if he really don't know the lyrics.

Its not easy to sing anyway, unlike glory glory....oh waiiit....
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Can't blame him if he really don't know the lyrics.

Its not easy to sing anyway, unlike glory glory....oh waiiit....
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And he should be given credit instead. So much has been said about our atmosphere dipping and crowd goes silent far too often. At least this is someone who tries when he doesn't know. I would rather have someone like him in the crowd than those who knows the songs but choose to stay silent all game.
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At least he trying, unlike other silent spectator on the stadium, really making the stadium's atmosphere potong stim. bangwall.gif

Meanwhile Ah Chan say the contract standoff with LFC is not about money offered:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/footb...erpool-12736601

And LFC is in talk with Bayern to participate in this summer Bayern organized Audi Cup pre-season tournament.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/footb...iendly-12736696
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Am I glad to see City crashed out from CL.

Screw all these clubs fuelled by oil money
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QUOTE(Batai @ Mar 13 2017, 12:54 PM)
i realize that when we loose the ball, no 1 able to recover it quickly enough like we played in early season.

the gap between can n midfield section just too far, so we cannot recover quickly. although can n gini scored, they still play like shit. imo, lalana is the only player that run like mad dog to recover the ball.
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Hendo is the better player at cleaning up messes. Yet some pipu here say Hendo just pass siderways. laugh.gif
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Hendo is the better player at cleaning up messes. Yet some pipu here say Hendo just pass siderways.  laugh.gif
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yup, hendo is doing great job. but not as great as alonso. still miss him though. lol
if hendo can really guard back 4, then lalana and gini wouldn't have to worry much on defence
i would not say him playing badly, but he's getting better, especially on his vision and long pass rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Batai @ Mar 17 2017, 08:52 AM)
yup, hendo is doing great job. but not as great as alonso. still miss him though. lol
if hendo can really guard back 4, then lalana and gini wouldn't have to worry much on defence
i would not say him playing badly, but he's getting better, especially on his vision and long pass  rclxms.gif
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I think he has done very well as a sweeper, which is not his best position.
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hmm ian rush is the 2017 CL ambassador.
lets see who the sole english herd will draw tongue.gif
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UCL quarter final draw:
Atletico Madrid VS Leicester City
Dortmund vs Monaco
Bayern vs Real Madrid
Juventus vs Barcelona

Klopp pre-match press conference vs City:

Henderson and Sturridge definitely ruled out of Man City game.

Firmino to return to training today or tomorrow.

Origi another major doubt - hasn’t trained this week. Lovren is fit.
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Klopp doesn’t want added pressure of overhauling City in the table, says Liverpool are concentrated on doing their job

‘Hard work, not genius’ the key to Liverpool’s success in big games

Liverpool are ‘happy’ with Can - Klopp says ‘good talks’ are continuing on a new contract
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Klopp says Coutinho is training well and looks confident despite recent poor form

Klopp says Woodburn’s Wales call up is ‘not a problem’
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So we went from having 3 strikers - Ings, Sturridge, Origi and a false 9 - Firmino to possibly having none this weekend. We are fucked.
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Probably impossible line up but this is best 11 available:

------------------- Mignolet ----------------

-------- Matip --- Lovren -- Klavan ---

Clyne ----- Can ----- Gini ------- Milner©

Lallana -------- Mané -------- Coutinho
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so let's continue criticizing emre n gini...so thats 2 goals there...
then it's time for lala to shine again...so 3... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sahathai @ Mar 17 2017, 11:24 PM)
Probably impossible line up but this is best 11 available:

------------------- Mignolet ----------------

-------- Matip --- Lovren -- Klavan ---

Clyne ----- Can ----- Gini ------- Milner©

Lallana -------- Mané -------- Coutinho
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Ok i approve this, have to.

Everyone basically still get to do what they do best, on paper. Mane running at Stones/ Kolarov drool.gif
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i really don't see klopp playing all his fit CB at once...so think klavan will return to the bench and lovren will resume with matip again.
if firmino really doesn't start, I can only see either Lucas starting in midfield with lala going up... or some youth coming on in place of firmino.
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just dont start with our best brazilian CB!!! please...
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Skrtel channeling his inner Agger! bruce.gif


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Russki doesn't seem like dropping points...it's very likely they will bag it this year.

On the other hand, all the RAGE in Arsenal board...feeling kinda nostalgic in there
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Russki doesn't seem like dropping points...it's very likely they will bag it this year.

On the other hand, all the RAGE in Arsenal board...feeling kinda nostalgic in there
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Can't win them all. They love beautiful football but the bitter truth "beautiful football" alone can't win things these days.

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Valdez just do the Gerrard slip. LoL
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Valdez just do the Gerrard slip. LoL
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Gerrard slip was title decider. Valdes slip doesn't change anything
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Starting XI vs Man City: Mignolet; Clyne, Matip, Klavan, Milner; Can; Mané, Lallana, Wijnaldum, Coutinho; Firmino

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Karius, Alexander-Arnold, Lovren, Moreno, Lucas, Woodburn, Origi
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the myth of robinhood looks like will be busted tonight.
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Why are the home fans booing Milner.

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the myth of robinhood looks like will be busted tonight.
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surprisingly both sides still 0 shots on target...
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While we are at it, please do continue shitting on Can and Gini because those two once again put on a masterful performance in midfield alongside Lallana of course, apart from that miss of the season.

10/10 performance.
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We were actually lucky to EARN a precious point from this encounter

Hope for the best now if we want 4th placing

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1-1 is probably fair, but we need to stop doing robin hood and turn up against lesser opponents to finish in top 4. Still very much in our own hands
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1-1 is a fair result.

I only caught the final 30 minutes of the game, cant wake up anymore lol.

that lallana miss was a bad one, but aguero could have won it for city as well at the death

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He said: “After the game Adam immediately said to me sorry, and I thought ‘why?’.

“Now I know why he thought he had to say sorry but he doesn’t have to because his performance today was outstanding again.
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if everyone was on target, we would have lost by 7 - 3 anyway
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Mar 20 2017, 08:47 AM)
While we are at it, please do continue shitting on Can and Gini because those two once again put on a masterful performance in midfield alongside Lallana of course, apart from that miss of the season.

10/10 performance.
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Can finally showing he can play in the past 3 games. Hopefully he continues playing like that.

Coutinho though...haihhz
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if everyone was on target, we would have lost by 7 - 3 anyway
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Shouldnt that be like a 5-5 draw? Or a 6-5 win for either team?

Back and forth game, like defense is alien concept.
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Most exciting game this year. But finishing were very comical for both side. Either side could have won. Took a point from City at Etihad is previous. Now Klopp needs to shag off the Robin Hood DNA out of the team as we continue pushing towards top 4 finish.

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Mar 20 2017, 09:59 AM)
Can finally showing he can play in the past 3 games. Hopefully he continues playing like that.

Coutinho though...haihhz
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Can has be instructed to be a dedicated DM and finally free Gini to be ACM that he's good at. While Can is protecting the back 4, Gini is getting a lot involve in attacking. Both roles are cleared now. That not happen when Hendo pairing with Gini as both tends to going forwards. With Can as DM we are like having a 3 CB at the back.
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Mar 20 2017, 10:30 AM)
Can has be instructed to be a dedicated DM and finally free Gini to be ACM that he's good at. While Can is protecting the back 4, Gini is getting a lot involve in attacking. Both roles are cleared now. That not happen when Hendo pairing with Gini as both tends to going forwards. With Can as DM we are like having a 3 CB at the back.
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thats cos all headless no direction so klopp need to give direction.
with hendo there, he'll be the one dictating the midfield play.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 20 2017, 10:47 AM)
thats cos all headless no direction so klopp need to give direction.
with hendo there, he'll be the one dictating the midfield play.
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Hendo's short passing for the state paddling without sense of purpose? no thanks
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Hendo's short passing for the state paddling without sense of purpose? no thanks
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Mar 20 2017, 10:51 AM)
Hendo's short passing for the state paddling without sense of purpose? no thanks
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Dont think this is fair on him. Control the tempo generally well enough, though not on maestro level.

He always look to break the line from deep, even accumulated a few assists from his deep through balls earlier in the season.

I'd still pick him over Can any day, at least i dont have to get mini heart attacks when opp player is closing him down just as he receives the ball.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Mar 20 2017, 10:57 AM)
then why u defend lucas?
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why drag in lucas??
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Mar 20 2017, 10:58 AM)
Dont think this is fair on him. Control the tempo generally well enough, though not on maestro level.

He always look to break the line from deep, even accumulated a few assists from his deep through balls earlier in the season.

I'd still pick him over Can any day, at least i dont have to get mini heart attacks when opp player is closing him down just as he receives the ball.
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in our last few defeats, i always see him short passing back to the initial passer when nobody was closing him down. They passed to him trying to ask him to initial the attack but the hell he passed back. That's what i don't like the most
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Mar 20 2017, 11:05 AM)
in our last few defeats, i always see him short passing back to the initial passer when nobody was closing him down. They passed to him trying to ask him to initial the attack but the hell he passed back. That's what i don't like the most
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Maybe the passing lanes were closed down, so he passed and moved to open up spaces? I dont know man, I assumed only.

I just can't trust Can with his heavy touches and general rashness, even if he looks improved in the last few games.
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I will pick Hendo over Can or Gini anytime as well. Both Can and Gini still doesn't convince me with just a few good games over the whole season.
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Mar 20 2017, 10:51 AM)
Hendo's short passing for the state paddling without sense of purpose? no thanks
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someone going to rage soon....

anyway Henderson is much better in terms of stopping opponents attack. Meanwhile Can did show some improvement on that side but at times took too much risk on dribbling.
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QUOTE(melt @ Mar 20 2017, 02:00 PM)
someone going to rage soon....

anyway Henderson is much better in terms of stopping opponents attack. Meanwhile Can did show some improvement on that side but at times took too much risk on dribbling.
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when We are in robin hood mode, how exact did he stopping oppoment attack??????????????
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when We are in robin hood mode, how exact did he stopping oppoment attack??????????????
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Calm down dude

that is comparing Can, Gini and Henderson. Not saying he is the best in the world who can stop any opponent attack.

He is still far away from Kante or our ex player Mascherano
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Calm down dude

that is comparing Can, Gini and Henderson. Not saying he is the best in the world who can stop any opponent attack.

He is still far away from Kante or our ex player Mascherano
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I am sorry but I find that really funny lol.

Did yeelong really expect Hendo be like godmode and stop every attack from opponent?

Even Mascherano + Alonso + Busquest + all the other otai DM in the world would not stop every attack.

QUOTE(yeelong @ Mar 20 2017, 11:05 AM)
in our last few defeats, i always see him short passing back to the initial passer when nobody was closing him down. They passed to him trying to ask him to initial the attack but the hell he passed back. That's what i don't like the most
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And again, it is simply not right to expect him to begin every of our attacking move. Even world class players cannot do that.

And sometimes it is better to pass back to recycle possession. It is called patience build up.

Though I understand your frustration that our CM keep passing backwards or sideways. But that is how it is.

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What we need currently is a DM and a AM where Hendo is unable to provide both service in consistent basic. At lease Can is trying to become one of them which is a DM. At this moment, Can/Gini combo currently is better than Hendo/Gini combo becoz Can is holding on DM to assist on defense and free up Gini unless Can did a Karius-like mistake that lead to benching.
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After the match vs City, there will be international break again. So some of the player will be going for international duty.

Klopp plan to bring those remaining player that didnd't get call up for international duty to another training camp at Tenerife, Spain.

After international break, our first match will be vs Everton.
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QUOTE(champlaos11 @ Mar 20 2017, 02:49 PM)
I am sorry but I find that really funny lol.

Did yeelong really expect Hendo be like godmode and stop every attack from opponent?

Even Mascherano + Alonso + Busquest + all the other otai DM in the world would not stop every attack.
And again, it is simply not right to expect him to begin every of our attacking move. Even world class players cannot do that.

And sometimes it is better to pass back to recycle possession. It is called patience build up.

Though I understand your frustration that our CM keep passing backwards or sideways. But that is how it is.
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Yup they said the same thing about Joe Allen.

Recycling possession. Fancy word indeed

Hendo can be decent at times, but the looking at the level of adulation bestowed onto him here, one would have thought that he is at the same level as Pogba, Iniesta or N Golo Kante

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QUOTE(lcy851031 @ Mar 20 2017, 03:34 PM)
After the match vs City, there will be international break again. So some of the player will be going for international duty.

Klopp plan to bring those remaining player that didnd't get call up for international duty to another training camp at Tenerife, Spain.

After international break, our first match will be vs Everton.
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Spain again?? England out of training ground?
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“Today is a very sad day for all of us. All of our thoughts and all of our love are with the family.

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Nonetheless there are those who thinks less of Rafa and still believes Rafa caused LFC downfall by selling Alonso (and despite even Alonso clearing why he left choose to leave, still some LFC fans does not regard Rafa as well as ...

On a side note; (on his reflections of his career)
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Mar 24 2017, 01:26 PM)
Nonetheless there are those who thinks less of Rafa and still believes Rafa caused LFC downfall by selling Alonso (and despite even Alonso clearing why he left choose to leave, still some LFC fans does not regard Rafa as well as ...

On a side note; (on his reflections of his career)
Xabi Alonso: "I've played for the best team in England, the best team in Spain and the best team in Germany. I would never have dreamed to have had such a nice career as this.”
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I have a dream, Rafa with a billionare money to support him in LFC.... but that's just a dream....
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QUOTE(jimbet1337 @ Mar 22 2017, 03:20 PM)
That's a sad thing to hear. Although every manager has some falling out with a player. Either it be Benitez, Arsene or Klopp.
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I have a dream, Rafa with a billionare money to support him in LFC.... but that's just a dream....
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Possibly we will be more like arsenal path of spent the cing years



QUOTE(jordanwelch @ Mar 24 2017, 03:28 PM)
That's a sad thing to hear. Although every manager has some falling out with a player. Either it be Benitez, Arsene or Klopp.
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In the past, rafa been accused of "dividing the team" for team not blending amongst themselves, Spanish players camps, English players section etc, it's refreshing to note didi clearing that notion.

Every team will have some key senior player that may not see eye to eye with the manager. The manager can't satisfy everyone and he is not the manager vying players popularity contest.

Some seniors will vet their fustrations esp no game time & no further opportunities to play and if they are sold, they might cash in by 'tell all' of their unhappiness while being sidelined.

That dude who left (diouf), Balo still does not blame themselves but are quite unhappy at Liverpool. Sometimes a jab or 2 at the managers for not handling their careers that well. (You don't even hear Alonso speaking ill of Rafa or blaming him, but we all know fans do love conclusion & conspiracy)

Anyway, no game for Liverpool (& most clubs) until international week is done. I can't help to think we missed out dele alli (in his own words confirmed LFC fan and has gerrard as his inspiration), he isn't even19 yet & established to be a quite a decent player himself)
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Please snap out of it, FSG isn't gonna sanction mega spending like Manu, chelsea, city etc

Possibly we will be more like arsenal path of spent the cing years
In the past, rafa been accused of "dividing the team" for team not blending amongst themselves, Spanish players camps, English players section etc, it's refreshing to note didi clearing that notion.

Every team will have some key senior player that may not see eye to eye with the manager. The manager can't satisfy everyone and he is not the manager vying players popularity contest.

Some seniors will vet their fustrations esp no game time & no further opportunities to play and if they are sold, they might cash in by 'tell all' of their unhappiness while being sidelined.

That dude who left (diouf), Balo still does not blame themselves but are quite unhappy at Liverpool. Sometimes a jab or 2 at the managers for not handling their careers that well. (You don't even hear Alonso speaking ill of Rafa or blaming him, but we all know fans do love conclusion & conspiracy)

Anyway, no game for Liverpool (& most clubs) until international week is done. I can't help to think we missed out dele alli (in his own words confirmed LFC fan and has gerrard as his inspiration), he isn't even19 yet & established to be a quite a decent player himself)
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still can't brain how on earth that we didn't signed him
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Because he didnt manage to meetup with his idol as he was asleep. (or in other words he doesnt feel appreciated by Gerrard) *just guessing

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/footb...-slept-12336477


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Watching Liverpool vs Real Madrid Legends.

Gerrard is still damn good.
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its funny tho how owen didnt play for RM...while both macca and dudek did.
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Lallana injured. The cursed of International breaks. Just watched coleman incident, it was nasty. Everton should get compensation.
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Lallana injured. The cursed of International breaks. Just watched coleman incident, it was nasty. Everton should get compensation.
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Gutted... bangwall.gif 1 mth off, then maybe a few more weeks to be up to speed. Tough but we shd be able to cope.
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Gutted... bangwall.gif  1 mth off, then maybe a few more weeks to be up to speed. Tough but we shd be able to cope.
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Injury to Lallana is the one injury we will never be able to cope. This is not the first time it has happened either. Someone gets injured every international break. This is Lallana's 2nd time if I'm not mistaken. The last time this happened, the dreaded Can and Wijnaldum midfield combo happened and we struggled to score for a long time. Guess what's gonna happen now.
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Man U already targeting Mbappe n Martens but Liverpool as usual, looking into bargain bin signings again.

The mention of James Rodriguez however got my slight attention but what are the chances lol
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Man U already targeting Mbappe n Martens but Liverpool as usual, looking into bargain bin signings again.

The mention of James Rodriguez however got my slight attention but what are the chances lol
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we might be looking (gamble) for *flawed brilliance (subjective), opps we had that little guy (Iago Aspas) from La liga. cool2.gif but aspas seems to be ok back in La liga. just not top notch performer we would expect.


There are those who don't think Rodriguez is good enough. some claimed that he is just one world cup wonder. I don't think anyone from RM players might consider LFC. well, perhaps a few seasons at UCL. those players may yearn for big stages arena.
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James Rodriguez?

Lol it will be the same like when we were linked to Goetz or Reus or some other good player previously.

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Has anyone viewed the retarded Amanda Chaang's attempts at trolling John Arne Risse?

What do you think?


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Daniel Sturridge is NOT ready to return tomorrow.
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“Unfortunately Jordan had a little setback. He’s not in team training, that’s how it is. I can’t say how long [until he’s back].

“When we were here last time I said I hoped he could be in training this week. But we have to wait for this.

“it’s only a question of time, unfortunately. There’s nothing we can do.

“Sometimes the issue isn’t big enough and if there was a little chance he could run he would.

“But we have to be careful and not take a risk. It’s always too long with injuries.

“There’s nothing else to do.”


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“It is not about appreciating [the call] it is about the normal situation. We both share players.

“Of course I was not happy—someone said I was ‘relaxed’ about the situation but I could not be less relaxed about this, but it is not about blaming Gareth Southgate.

“I was not happy that he played on Wednesday but it is not my decision and I respect 100 percent the decisions of other managers because they have to respect my decisions, too.

“[Lallana] made the lineup [against Germany] and he loves football that much he obviously didn’t say, ‘I should maybe wait another day’.

“I really think we could handle these situations better if we work together.

“As long as we do not work together we will have these situations all the time.


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Firmino and Coutinho are okay. Says the club had to fly them back because they would have landed today otherwise.



So midfield left lucas, stewart, grujic to pair with Can & Wijnaldum.
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Mar 31 2017, 09:04 PM)
Has anyone viewed the retarded Amanda Chaang's attempts at trolling John Arne Risse?

What do you think?
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Amanda who?
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Another "target" missed... this proves playing in CL > all

http://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesli...mund-438462.jsp
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Another "target" missed... this proves playing in CL > all

http://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesli...mund-438462.jsp
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Not just about ucl. Dortmund is the best place for young german to establish and improve themselves. German player rarely move abroad unless to a really good team. Perhaps "Deutschland über alles" mentality still in their blood.
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QUOTE(jimbet1337 @ Mar 31 2017, 11:43 PM)
Amanda who?
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Astro supersports decide to troll John Arne Riise in an interview.

He got pissed off, and said "i'm going". And left.
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Another "target" missed... this proves playing in CL > all

http://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesli...mund-438462.jsp
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Julian Brandt apparently has an agreement with Bayern too.

Monitoring intensifies.
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Astro supersports decide to troll John Arne Riise in an interview.

He got pissed off, and said "i'm going". And left.
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WTF? Any link?
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QUOTE(champlaos11 @ Apr 1 2017, 09:33 AM)
WTF? Any link?
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Here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1-okVYcYhU


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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Apr 1 2017, 01:02 PM)
If the producers think the troll attempt is suppose to be funny, then they are dead wrong about it.


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Starting XI vs Everton: Mignolet; Clyne, Matip, Lovren, Milner; Lucas; Mané, Wijnaldum, Can, Coutinho; Firmino

Subs: Karius, Alexander-Arnold, Klavan, Moreno, Grujić, Woodburn, Origi
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Fuhh Mane..
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I wonder will there be action taken on William, for that soft stamp on Can.
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Raining... Farking astro!!
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Apr 1 2017, 02:52 PM)
If the producers think the troll attempt is suppose to be funny, then they are dead wrong about it.
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Trust me, it wasn't.

Astro still thought it's all fine and dandy.

I think John Arne Riise made a tweet subtly about it in Norwegian. Almost no reference, but you can check the timeline.

Another friend told me that if you visit Amanda Chaang's instagram you can see a pic of her with John Arne Riise, and said thanks to John Arne Riise and she had a scare of life for "reverse prank" that was supposedly conducted by Astro and Riise himself.

I call that bullshit.


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Fuck no that looks painful for Mané
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kesian Everton... guess 2 more goals wont hurt.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 1 2017, 08:41 PM)
Fuck no that looks painful for Mané
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Can one is not much better. Thats like a direct hit straight at the knee cap. Hope its not serious.
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Apr 1 2017, 08:52 PM)
Can one is not much better. Thats like a direct hit straight at the knee cap. Hope its not serious.
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Mané's knee and ankle bent very unnaturally though. Sure that's worse than taking a blunt impact.
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Can playing out trough pain again? Wish sturridge has the same attitude
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Mane's goal makes him the on par with Suarez's tally of goals in the first season.

I hope he can play more, score more.

I hope the injury isn't that bad. :/
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ya the way its going...next match milner may probably play in midfield for the first time this yr..
then we can see morenoooo tongue.gif
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ya the way its going...next match milner may probably play in midfield for the first time this yr..
then we can see morenoooo tongue.gif
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I think we will see Trent at RB and Clyne at LB before that happens.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 1 2017, 08:54 PM)
Mané's knee and ankle bent very unnaturally though. Sure that's worse than taking a blunt impact.
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When he stood up, i thought he is ok already. But whe he collapse again, his face showed so much pain. Hope he will be ok.

Next game we will see a very different Liverpool, at least the midfield will be very diff, with Hendo, then Lallana, now Mane injured.
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I think lucas is doing ok?

Missed some parts of the game so not really sure
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Apr 1 2017, 09:20 PM)
When he stood up, i thought he is ok already. But whe he collapse again, his face showed so much pain. Hope he will be ok.

Next game we will see a very different Liverpool, at least the midfield will be very diff, with Hendo, then Lallana, now Mane injured.
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I think we will see Trent at RB and Clyne at LB before that happens.
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actually i'm wondering where kevin stewart is.
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actually i'm wondering where kevin stewart is.
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He is very much below average. I wouldn't even start him ahead of Lucas/Grujic. People call him a youngster but he is turning 24 this year. He's just a backup of our backups.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 1 2017, 09:28 PM)
He is very much below average. I wouldn't even start him ahead of Lucas/Grujic. People call him a youngster but he is turning 24 this year. He's just a backup of our backups.
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thats beside the point...cos grujic isnt available anyway.
but if emre had gone injured...there is basically no midfield left.
left lucas and gini...and possibly milner to fill in.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 1 2017, 09:30 PM)
thats beside the point...cos grujic isnt available anyway.
but if emre had gone injured...there is basically no midfield left.
left lucas and gini...and possibly milner to fill in.
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Good news for you! Grujic was on the bench today. Been impressing in some reserve games building up some match fitness. Maybe we will see some of him later on in the season.

Also would like to add that Trent is actually a midfielder converted into makeshift right back. I like what I've seen from him, Klopp seems to rate him. Maybe we will even see him start ahead of Stewart in midfield.

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I wonder if Ings has recovered. It has been awhile.
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Looking at his hot GF, i think he extended his injury period due to new injury from bed activity. laugh.gif
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And it seems agent Sakho did pretty well against Chelsea!
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And it seems agent Sakho did pretty well against Chelsea!
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4 matches 4 wins. Palace Player of the Month. Will attract some serious offers this summer hopefully. I think the bridge between him and Klopp has been burnt.
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Apr 1 2017, 11:43 PM)
Looking at his hot GF, i think he extended his injury period due to new injury from bed activity. laugh.gif
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Ellis Duke or Georgia Gibbs?
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 2 2017, 02:13 AM)
4 matches 4 wins. Palace Player of the Month. Will attract some serious offers this summer hopefully. I think the bridge between him and Klopp has been burnt.
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Sakho was incredible last night...

Barely any noticeable mistake and stick to costa like a glue...

However the keeper, Hennessey was impressive as well
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 2 2017, 02:13 AM)
4 matches 4 wins. Palace Player of the Month. Will attract some serious offers this summer hopefully. I think the bridge between him and Klopp has been burnt.
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Somehow I honestly think it's not just a "simple tiff" (pre season) over discipline. Something klopp & him isn't telling.

Good for him that he is playing & channeling it on the pitch
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Any latest news on Mane's injury? How severe it is?

Hope FA reviews Barkley's stamp on and Williams' stamp on Can. Can't let them got away wit that.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Apr 2 2017, 01:24 PM)
Somehow I honestly think it's not just a "simple tiff" (pre season) over discipline. Something klopp & him isn't telling.

Good for him that he is playing & channeling it on the pitch
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sakho and benteke is a world class player no doubt, but at lfc some ppl and fans dislike them for some reason. but some love em and said we should stick to him (sakho). im one of em.

but eventually it is klopp who made decision. we can only cry.
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World class??? Really?
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https://www.facebook.com/ManUtdFanPageKins1...19851751428163/

what a joke, bring a legend all the way to malaysia to be humiliated by "so called" MU fabs
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Hoping for a CB pairing of Sakho and Matip next season, with Lovren and Gomez as back up, not too bad. Save the money from buying Virgil Van Dijk and invest on a quality left back, CM(Keita, Parades), RW, ST(Werner, Lacazatte, Abumeyang?) and probably a left footed attacker.
Plenty of dead wood in our team too atm: Steward, Klavan, Sturridge(his injury record is so frustrating), Lucas, etc.

p/s: hope mane's injury is not too serious. Wouldn't mind him missing a few weeks but nothing more please.

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World class??? Really?
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well he shine with cp even fow god know how long he sat on the reserve team. that tell something. u may disagree. i dont care
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well he shine with cp even fow god know how long he sat on the reserve team. that tell something. u may disagree. i dont care
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So u're saying Benteke is world class, it means that he's on the same level as world class strikers like Suarez, Abumeyang, Lewandowski, Sanchez? biggrin.gif tongue.gif bangwall.gif
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QUOTE(lfcreds91 @ Apr 2 2017, 04:13 PM)
https://www.facebook.com/ManUtdFanPageKins1...19851751428163/

what a joke, bring a legend all the way to malaysia to be humiliated by "so called" MU fabs
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Some claimed that riise played along, but no I think he was ambushed by the interview. Yes, clearly it was designed to provoke him/riled him up.

It was poor taste. It's very different if U.K. Even if some interviews there was 'set up' to create a response but there they at least acknowledge.

Of course the Manu fan page said it was a 'April fool' prank but it failed badly until the interviewer (Amanda) acknowledged her (prank) questions horribly failed

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Apr 2 2017, 11:05 PM)
Some claimed that riise played along, but no I think he was ambushed by the interview. Yes, clearly it was designed to provoke him/riled him up.

It was poor taste. It's very different if U.K. Even if some interviews there was 'set up' to create a response but there they at least acknowledge.

Of course the Manu fan page said it was a 'April fool' prank but it failed badly until the interviewer (Amanda) acknowledged her (prank) questions horribly failed

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That's right. Be more sensible when you are pulling pranks like this on footballers. To the dumb broad, it's just a sport but to some it's a serious matter of pride and respect. And you don't toss people's pride just like that. Riise could be still waking up in the middle of night having traumas about the Chelsea own goal for all I know. It's like pulling abombprank at the airport, funny my arse.

If I'm Riise, I would have left footed thebiatch on the spot.

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And it seems agent Sakho did pretty well against Chelsea!
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 2 2017, 01:13 AM)
4 matches 4 wins. Palace Player of the Month. Will attract some serious offers this summer hopefully. I think the bridge between him and Klopp has been burnt.
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Stat of the day

Crystal Palace have won all 4 of their PL games in which Sakho has played; keeping 3 clean sheets in the process.



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Ellis Duke or Georgia Gibbs?
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I was saying Georgia Gibbs there. Smoking hot! biggrin.gif

Which 1 is his current GF? lol

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The Star is in fact god damn The Sun of Malaysia.
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Ok despite the misgivings in the past

Congrats Celtic & Brendan Rodgers for winning the Scottish league. Welcome to an elite company (I'm not sure if it's his first as a manager?)

Hopefully it helps erase some doubts & some meme, plastic cup is to be replaced with a proper silverware


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But yes, it feel nice to be win a trophy 🏆 looks good for manager resume but hopefully you don't follow the path like some manager showboating & reminding credentials to the media
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sakho and benteke both are good but benteke style just doesn't suit klop tactics...while for sakho, klopp must really dislike him for some reason. i know sakho is erratic at times but i think he did a pretty good job at liverpool. i just hope sakho can come back and restart his career at liverpool, save $$$ for more important positions such as lb, dm and striker.
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QUOTE(jacckl @ Apr 3 2017, 10:15 AM)
sakho and benteke both are good but benteke style just doesn't suit klop tactics...while for sakho, klopp must really dislike him for some reason. i know sakho is erratic at times but i think he did a pretty good job at liverpool. i just hope sakho can come back and restart his career at liverpool, save $$$ for more important positions such as lb, dm and striker.
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It's Sakho's attitude. He is notorious for attitude problems even before Klopp and Liverpool. Just a case of Klopp being strict and setting an example out of him.

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Hoping for a CB pairing of Sakho and Matip next season, with Lovren and Gomez as back up, not too bad. Save the money from buying Virgil Van Dijk and invest on a quality left back, CM(Keita, Parades), RW, ST(Werner, Lacazatte, Abumeyang?) and probably a left footed attacker.
Plenty of dead wood in our team too atm: Steward, Klavan, Sturridge(his injury record is so frustrating), Lucas, etc.

p/s: hope mane's injury is not too serious. Wouldn't mind him missing a few weeks but nothing more please.
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Disagree that Klavan is 'deadwood'.

He's a hard worker and is the closest thing we have to a Carragher at the moment. We need solid British / Euro players like him to cover for the absences of African players like Matip.

We're short of 1 more world-class CB, but the backline will look much better if we have a quicker and solid option at LB. Milner can be caught out a bit although he plays with heart. The trio of Milner, Klavan, Matip is slightly slower on the left side of the pitch. It's more important to get a really good DM to cover the defence instead of relying on short term fixes like Can, Lucas and Hendo. Hendo seems to prefer to play in the middle of the pitch anyway.



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QUOTE(champlaos11 @ Apr 3 2017, 08:16 AM)
Stat of the day

Crystal Palace have won all 4 of their PL games in which Sakho has played; keeping 3 clean sheets in the process.

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Yes, I would admit that CP has gotten strong with Sahko at their back. CP is suppose to be dark horse after getting Benteke. But defense has been a let down. Sahko bring balance to the team And luckily we won't have to face Sahko on 23 April.

In this rate i think CP will have to break the bank to get Sakho as they know he is the right fit for them.
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QUOTE(Evens @ Apr 3 2017, 12:31 PM)
Disagree that Klavan is 'deadwood'.

He's a hard worker and is the closest thing we have to a Carragher at the moment.  We need solid British / Euro players like him to cover for the absences of African players like Matip.

We're short of 1 more world-class CB, but the backline will look much better if we have a quicker and solid option at LB.  Milner can be caught out a bit although he plays with heart.  The trio of Milner, Klavan, Matip is slightly slower on the left side of the pitch.  It's more important to get a really good DM to cover the defence instead of relying on short term fixes like Can, Lucas and Hendo.  Hendo seems to prefer to play in the middle of the pitch anyway.
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Klavan is deadwood when u compare him to Lovren and Gomez. Hence there's really no need for him to be in the team cuz he'll eventually be a backup to our backup.
I really like Milner, he's a very versatile player. I would keep him as a squad player and as a backup to our first choice left back and CM.
Can has been excellent this few games and I would want his contract to be sorted out ASAP. He's young and I can see him being a starter one day.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Apr 3 2017, 10:06 AM)
Ok despite the misgivings in the past

Congrats Celtic & Brendan Rodgers for winning the Scottish league. Welcome to an elite company (I'm not sure if it's his first as a manager?)

Hopefully it helps erase some doubts & some meme, plastic cup is to be replaced with a proper silverware
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We might still roast you from time to time, no hard feelings. When the team you put up eventually kicks Barcelona or hammers Real Madrid, I will humbly retract 😓😓

But yes, it feel nice to be win a trophy 🏆 looks good for manager resume but hopefully you don't follow the path like some manager showboating & reminding credentials to the media
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Winning a pub league is nothing to boast about. He had his chance with Liverpool and he blew it in. His reign is trophiless. Second is nothing.

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Apr 2 2017, 11:47 PM)
That's right. Be more sensible when you are pulling pranks  like this on footballers. To the dumb broad, it's just a sport but to some it's a serious matter of pride and respect. And you don't toss people's pride just like that. Riise could be still waking up in the middle of night having traumas about the Chelsea own goal for all I know. It's like pulling abombprank at the airport, funny my arse.

If I'm Riise, I would have left footed thebiatch on the spot.
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On the other hand, I give Riise credits for staying calm and move on with the interview until he felt it was too much, and he did not say anything really harsh to the interviewer.

And I also do not think that she is the ONLY 1 to blame. I'm sure the production crew could be the ones who came up with the question.
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The spine of the first 11 is too weak at the moment. Need one "defensive duties" DM like Matic and preferably one central mid who can dictate tempo. At the moment, Coutinho is the only player who can control the tempo of our play. Slow down a bit, dribble and turn or speed up the pace.

When Coutinho goes off, we play with no concept of tempo at all. Just at one speed setting - HIGH.

It's like playing with a hot coal ball, and it easily goes out of control and picked up by the opponents even teams like Bournemouth who actually can play passing football. The problem becomes worse on days when Coutinho is off form. When he's on fire, like vs Everton, we look impressive.

If the management can solve this problem, the team can do much better in the league and stay in contention for more competitions.
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QUOTE(ace-user @ Apr 3 2017, 12:43 PM)
Klavan is deadwood when u compare him to Lovren and Gomez. Hence there's really no need for him to be in the team cuz he'll eventually be a backup to our backup.
I really like Milner, he's a very versatile player. I would keep him as a squad player and as a backup to our first choice left back and CM.
Can has been excellent this few games and I would want his contract to be sorted out ASAP. He's young and I can see him being a starter one day.
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I like klavan thou. Left footed, composed with the ball. Like Matip, he is very calm but unfortunately, we can't have two of this type of cb on the field. That's why Lovren who is more aggressive is ahead of him in picking order.

Totally agree on Milner. Reminds me of Kuyt. Average but very reliable. Always give their best in every match but rarely injured. Even at the ends of their career, they still push to their limits.

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Apr 2 2017, 11:47 PM)
That's right. Be more sensible when you are pulling pranks  like this on footballers. To the dumb broad, it's just a sport but to some it's a serious matter of pride and respect. And you don't toss people's pride just like that. Riise could be still waking up in the middle of night having traumas about the Chelsea own goal for all I know. It's like pulling abombprank at the airport, funny my arse.

If I'm Riise, I would have left footed thebiatch on the spot.
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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Apr 3 2017, 04:53 PM)
On the other hand, I give Riise credits for staying calm and move on with the interview until he felt it was too much, and he did not say anything really harsh to the interviewer.

And I also do not think that she is the ONLY 1 to blame. I'm sure the production crew could be the ones who came up with the question.
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Riise was the one having the giggle. All good.

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QUOTE(ace-user @ Apr 3 2017, 12:43 PM)
Klavan is deadwood when u compare him to Lovren and Gomez. Hence there's really no need for him to be in the team cuz he'll eventually be a backup to our backup.
I really like Milner, he's a very versatile player. I would keep him as a squad player and as a backup to our first choice left back and CM.
Can has been excellent this few games and I would want his contract to be sorted out ASAP. He's young and I can see him being a starter one day.
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No way when compared to Gomez. Don't forget he is very much unproven in the league even more so coming off such a lengthy layoff. There's no telling if he will even come good eventually. Hype and expectation doesn't always match reality.
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After Sakho few good performance for CP, LFC now raise Sakho asking price to 30M

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QUOTE(sahathai @ Apr 3 2017, 05:37 PM)
I like klavan thou. Left footed, composed with the ball. Like Matip, he is very calm but unfortunately, we can't have two of this type of cb on the field. That's why Lovren who is more aggressive is ahead of him in picking order.

Totally agree on Milner. Reminds me of Kuyt. Average but very reliable. Always give their best in every match but rarely injured. Even at the ends of their career, they still push to their limits.
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Klavan is okay, he's not terrible by any means, but he's just too slow. In terms of speed he's no better than Lucas playing at CB. I would very much prefer someone big and strong who's also good with the ball, like Van Dijk, although bringing Sakho back won't be too bad either.
Honestly I wouldn't want Milner near our starting 11, but he's a decent backup to have.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 3 2017, 05:52 PM)
No way when compared to Gomez. Don't forget he is very much unproven in the league even more so coming off such a lengthy layoff. There's no telling if he will even come good eventually. Hype and expectation doesn't always match reality.
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His debut season playing at left back was pretty decent and I believe he has the potential. He's still very very young and if there's someone then can turn him into a monster CB, it's Klopp.
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His debut season playing at left back was pretty decent and I believe he has the potential. He's still very very young and if there's someone then can turn him into a monster CB, it's Klopp.
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Decent by the standards set by Moreno. His performances really wasn't all that amazing, just acceptable for a natural right footed centre back slotted at left back. Let's not forget after the horror show of Moreno's first season, all we asked for was someone to not fuck up at the back and Gomez was that.

We do have games where we could judge him and those are cup games of this season. Frankly speaking, not great as you can tell from our not so amazing cup runs. Whether or not those subpar performances were impacted by his lengthy injury does not matter. He needs time to get up to pace, maybe he will go back to being the wonderkid he was or maybe he will never be the same again, only time will tell which is why for the foreseeable future he will not be in anyway better than Klavan. If he does turn good eventually it will be at least 2-3 years down the line by which time it is time to let Klavan go anyway.

And not sure what confidence you have in Klopp's ability to make him better. Sure Klopp is a very good coach with a very good reputation of developing young players but most of those involve players in midfield or attacking positions or attacking aspects of the game. Klopp is not known for his ability to coach a defense, ask any Dortmund fan and they can tell you that much.

If we do sign another CB this summer, Klavan will be pushed down the pecking order as our 4th choice CB. For a player of his ability as a 4th choice really isn't that bad, pretty good in fact. Just look at some of our top 6 rivals, some of them can't even sort out their 1st and 2nd choices.

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no mane, no hendo, no lala, no emre... joy... zzz.
looks like robinhood returns tmr night.
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Klopp pre-match press conference vs Bournemouth:

Sadio Mane knee not ‘positive’ - but Reds still waiting for swelling to go down before scan.
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“It’s not 100 percent clear,”

“Of course the assessment, the scan, we have to wait until the knee is not that swollen anymore.

“One thing I can say for sure is he is not available for tomorrow. For the rest, we have to see.

“It’s not very positive, but I cannot say what it is exactly. We have to wait.”
Klopp admits Mane could be out for the rest of the season.
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“Unfortunately that’s possible. When a knee is swollen, it’s not often I hear afterwards that it’s nothing. But even then, or especially then, the more difficult a situation seems to be the better it is to handle it. Obviously our way is not the easy way, that’s maybe the club history.

    Our job is to find solutions and I work on solutions all the time.

“Everyone would miss Sadio. Southampton probably still miss him, Red Bull Salzburg miss him….

“We don’t have to compare, we use what we have...”

“We have nice company, but January was such a hard moment in the season. It was not the freshest moment of the season. Then missing Sadio, Phil, it was not perfect.

“We go for results now.

“How can we beat Bournemouth? Not how we can create 27 chances..”
Daniel Sturridge could return to the squad tomorrow.
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Lallana and Henderson still missing.

Klopp says Liverpool have learned from their mistakes and will spend money to strengthen in the summer.
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    We will show that we learned from this year. Of course we will bring in players. The squad will change in a few positions. We will still have young players in the squad.

“The problems we had in January and February, the injury of Phil in November. Sadio in January, Danny Ings, Daniel Sturridge, should we have another striker or winger? Yes. It felt like this in other moments.

“Next year with more games we need more options, that’s clear.”


Klopp happy with Origi option
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“I’m happy to hear this (Origi is feeling fit)! You need all the players. Sometimes the players are in a good shape but cannot be in the line-up.

“With Daniel back now, it’s actually a perfect moment for him coming back. A lot of good news. We have to use these boys. They have all the support from my side they can get.”


Klopp response on Koeman blast
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“His biggest mistake is to say both sides made bad challenges. I can’t remember one from our side.”

“I am emotional. But it’s not worth saying anything to see. They had a good view and they couldn’t sit anymore.. but it wasn’t a big issue. The game is done.”



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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 4 2017, 12:33 PM)
no mane, no hendo, no lala, no emre... joy... zzz.
looks like robinhood returns tmr night.
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time for Origi to shine like end last season. rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
always prefer Origi over hot n cold Firmino. He is more consistent given with match time he gets. Dunno why Klopp choose Firmino hmm.gif
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QUOTE(iguana_dude_619 @ Apr 5 2017, 08:44 AM)
time for Origi to shine like end last season.  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
always prefer Origi over hot n cold Firmino. He is more consistent given with match time he gets. Dunno why Klopp choose Firmino  hmm.gif
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origi also same.
prior to weekend game, he hadn't scored in something like 12 games totalling over 700 mins of playtime.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 5 2017, 08:58 AM)
origi also same.
prior to weekend game, he hadn't scored in something like 12 games totalling over 700 mins of playtime.
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There was a period when he was on hot goal scoring form but overall performance wise wasn't too good imo. That was during our not so good run around January I think.
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http://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesli...oach-432745.jsp

http://www.dw.com/en/julian-nagelsmann-mak...yern/a-38298885

sorry for jumping out of topic.

But this young manager is really something.

Julian Nagelsmann.

Another young exciting German coach. And he is only 29 years old!! The youngest ever Bundesliga manager!

He just won the Bundesliga manager of the year as well.

Too bad his arguably two most important players Sule and Rudy will be joining Bayern next season.


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QUOTE(iguana_dude_619 @ Apr 5 2017, 08:44 AM)
time for Origi to shine like end last season.  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
always prefer Origi over hot n cold Firmino. He is more consistent given with match time he gets. Dunno why Klopp choose Firmino  hmm.gif
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Erm, both of them is different in term of playing style. Origi mainly for scoring goals. Firmino on the other hand is versatile, he offer much more to the team. I like how he always create the space for Mane and Coutinho, I like how he always trap the opponent for them to mis-pass, I like how he is hardworking in defending.

Now with Mane out injured, we can see either Origi or Sturridge upfront, let's see what can they offer.
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Apr 4 2017, 12:32 AM)
Decent by the standards set by Moreno. His performances really wasn't all that amazing, just acceptable for a natural right footed centre back slotted at left back. Let's not forget after the horror show of Moreno's first season, all we asked for was someone to not fuck up at the back and Gomez was that.

We do have games where we could judge him and those are cup games of this season. Frankly speaking, not great as you can tell from our not so amazing cup runs. Whether or not those subpar performances were impacted by his lengthy injury does not matter. He needs time to get up to pace, maybe he will go back to being the wonderkid he was or maybe he will never be the same again, only time will tell which is why for the foreseeable future he will not be in anyway better than Klavan. If he does turn good eventually it will be at least 2-3 years down the line by which time it is time to let Klavan go anyway.

And not sure what confidence you have in Klopp's ability to make him better. Sure Klopp is a very good coach with a very good reputation of developing young players but most of those involve players in midfield or attacking positions or attacking aspects of the game. Klopp is not known for his ability to coach a defense, ask any Dortmund fan and they can tell you that much.

If we do sign another CB this summer, Klavan will be pushed down the pecking order as our 4th choice CB. For a player of his ability as a 4th choice really isn't that bad, pretty good in fact. Just look at some of our top 6 rivals, some of them can't even sort out their 1st and 2nd choices.
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Gomez just came back from injury and only had a few games in the league cup until we were knocked out. Never feature again since then.
Klopp was having defensive troubles during his first season in Dortmund but second season he made some tweaks in his formation and developed players like Subotic, Hummels who went on to become really good defenders. I wouldn't mind having Gomez as a backup honestly, if we sign a top CB, having Lovren and Gomez as backup would be pretty decent.
Don't mind having Klavan as 4th choice, just don't think the player would want that, he's not getting any younger haha.
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QUOTE(iguana_dude_619 @ Apr 5 2017, 08:44 AM)
time for Origi to shine like end last season.  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
always prefer Origi over hot n cold Firmino. He is more consistent given with match time he gets. Dunno why Klopp choose Firmino  hmm.gif
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Without Mane we'll honestly fxcked, he's very direct and his speed is crucial for us to open up defends. If Firmino would be to shifted to RW it would honestly slow us a lot down, would prefer Coutinho on RW and perhaps Origi on LW, Firmino up front. (Coutinho played RW for Brazil last week if I'm not mistaken).
Good news is we'll probably have Sturridge on the bench so he's a great option to have, can swap with either front 3 later on in the game if needed.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 5 2017, 08:58 AM)
origi also same.
prior to weekend game, he hadn't scored in something like 12 games totalling over 700 mins of playtime.
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With Origi he doesn't have the footballing intelligence like Firmino. Origi is good, but he can be really frustrating to watch at times, I remember few games ago he started up front and I remembered him losing every single aerial duel in that game. He's not smart enough to use his body wisely, or make decisions faster to unlock defence (like making quick passes). He's still young though and has a lot more to learn.
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QUOTE(ace-user @ Apr 5 2017, 12:11 PM)
Gomez just came back from injury and only had a few games in the league cup until we were knocked out. Never feature again since then.
Klopp was having defensive troubles during his first season in Dortmund but second season he made some tweaks in his formation and developed players like Subotic, Hummels who went on to become really good defenders. I wouldn't mind having Gomez as a backup honestly, if we sign a top CB, having Lovren and Gomez as backup would be pretty decent.
Don't mind having Klavan as 4th choice, just don't think the player would want that, he's not getting any younger haha.
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Yes and in those few matches he didn't do well at all is what I'm saying. If he struggles even against lower league teams what more against top flight opponents. He simply isn't ready yet.

That's a myth. You could argue that he developed Subotic but it was at Mainz from which he followed Klopp into Dortmund. But is he a really good defender? There's a reason why he no longer was a first choice after a couple of seasons. He was no longer good enough as Dortmund's level got higher which suggests that he really is just an above average player in an overachieving team before he eventually got replaced. As for Hummels, he was already playing in Dortmund's first team when Klopp arrived and he was highly rated too. It wouldn't be fair to suggest that Klopp was the key influence in "developing" him when he was already there in the first team from day one.
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that was stupid backpass from gigi...robin hood mode on?

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