Lovren is ok. Klavan on the other side...

Apparently Can's been playing under pain for much of this season because of lingering injuries. But because we are SO lacking of options he has no chance no rest and assess his situation. Maybe it would be fairer to judge his performances next season if we get some reinforcements this summer, hopefully.

Gini has actually been alright apart from that suicidal header. Still got an assist and got forward well at times. That said, he really is just an above average player. I think we overpaid for him, and I don't mind having him in our squad as he has been proven to be very effective in home games especially against the top teams. But it becomes a problem when such player becomes your main player starting week in week out. Same goes for Klavan. He really isn't that bad if you would consider him as a 4th choice backup. Problem is both Matip and Lovren have been in and out of the lineup due to injuries forcing the likes of Lucas and Klavan playing more often than needed. Lovren looked really bad today too by the way, we should really get a proper centreback to challenge him.

A single injury prone Lovren as backup is also a big no no. Unless we get some massive funds this summer I don't see us signing 2 centre backs this summer. There are more urgent holes in defence to be filled. An actual left back and a backup for Clyne. A bad backup is still better than no backup. And we still need at least a midfielder, a winger and probably a striker too if Sturridge is gone.

Agreed. Ability wise I rate our CBs in this order Matip>Sakho>Lovren>Klavan>Gomez.

Anyone who is convinced Gomez is better than Klavan is blinded by the hate for his poor recent performances and blind optimism for young talent especially an English one. A youth player will always be better than some underperforming player for some people. Every time someone in our senior squad goes through a poor patch of form surely some fan will say shit like "it's better to just play (some hyped young player), surely he can't do worse". But reality proves that more often than not young players really can do worse as we've seen from Woodburn this past weekend. It's good that they get cameos here and there, but they are nowhere near full first team action just yet. The same shit happened with Mignolet 1-2 seasons ago, everyone was clamoring for him to be dropped for Brad Jones saying surely Brad Jones can't be worse than Calamity Mignolet. And he was.

No one is saying to not give him a chance. And no one is saying he wouldn't be better than Klavan in the future. It is simply a matter of if you have to sort them out of their current ability, Klavan would be ahead of Gomez no question. Question is simply if there is an injury crisis and you have to pick between the two for a match right then and there, would you pick the better player or a youth with potential. Answer is simple really.

I would rather not. But I honestly don't see us spending on 2 CBs this summer which would still leave Klavan ahead of Gomez. It's honestly just a nice thought that we should always be looking to give these youngsters a chance in the first team just because they have potential. In reality though, football today is a results business especially in a league this competitive and Klopp knows that as well as much as he likes developing young players. Just look at how he would rather start Lucas at CB even when Gomez has been back for months. Or look at how he would rather start TAA at RWB and Clyne of the left than starting Moreno in a LWB position which is probably even more suited for his attacking instincts. That's because Klopp knows that he is simply not good enough (yet?). It's almost 100% sure at this point that Moreno will be sold this summer. Gomez should still be given chances in cup games as he is still very much an unknown entity.

Where do you find 4? Don't count Gomez because like I said he is not ahead of Klavan in pecking order. Right now it's Matip>Lovren>Klavan>Gomez. So if we sign one, let's say Van Dijk, it would still be Matip>Van Dijk>Lovren>Klavan>Gomez. This is also assuming Sakho will be sold. Because he is too expensive to keep as a 3rd or 4th choice given his recent rise in stock. If there is a time to sell Sakho, this is it off the back of some wonderful performances for Palace, English clubs would easily pay up to 30M in this inflated market.

sakho pre-season case was the only case i've seen, i can't comment on others because either he didn't do it or it was not reported. i could say the same back to you, you are assuming klopp "did" give him 2nd chance when we all do not know what happen behind. most of you stand behind klopp while i decide to give sakho the benefit of doubts. beside, klopp can drop sakho to bench and to me, that's a good enough punishment.

i understand the importance of attitude, i also understand having too much ego is a bad thing. take a good look at costa case, he was screaming to go out. conte stop him, discipline him, make up with him and decide to let him play.

And you are assuming he was not given a second chance. Of course you would expect Sakho to defend himself and say he only messed up once. And there was all that Instagram nonsense he did. Fact of the matter is his disciplinary issues were well documented even before he came here.

Ability wise he is at least on par with Lovren and I would even rate him just above Lovren. But Klopp isn't condemning him for his performances but for his attitude. Sometimes it's not about how good you are (unless you are Messi or Ronaldo) but about keeping the team ethic so that everyone should be treated equally.

Would be great to have him as a backup because he is definitely way better than Klavan. Question is if he is willing to sit on the bench as a 3rd/4th option. He is better than most of our defenders but our defenders do not set the bar high. Like you said, apart from Matip, all of them are average so I would prefer Klopp to go out and buy someone possibly even better than Matip. Van Dijk is a name touted around a lot, I don't know how you guys rate him but he seems to be rated quite highly by everyone else. Lovren has just signed a new contract I think so he isn't going anywhere I presume which makes Sakho an 80K a week backup luxury. Honestly hard to see that happening. Personally judging purely on ability, I would rather sell Lovren but his stock is not as high and won't sell for as much.

Right. Cast those egos and take him back. We could use a defender of his quality rather than gifting him to that anti Liverpool underhand tactic money grabbing hamroll of a manager

that wouldn't work... both prefer left side.

matip has also been thrown on the left side.
lovren too has played most of his career on the left side.
i guess both are able to do the job, but not 100% efficiently.

as much as klavan is hated, he'll still be a good squad player for the league cup...and doesnt complain about wanting first team action all the time.

anyway, this is LFC's 7th season in a row where they have let in more than 40 goals...ever since rafa left 

sakho i dunno why ppl rate him tho.
i never liked his playing style...some may say klopp should give him a chance...fact is klopp did.
cos remember sakho has had disciplinary issues with BR also.

It better stays as rumour. Anything more than 20M with him entering final year of contract is definitely overpaying.

Heck, if he aint Brit, nthg more 12M.