R600 tidbits abound. Also some on Barcelona.
http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArt...cleID=197700269
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/28/amd_690g_launch/
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showAr...n=Breaking+News
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Berlind/?p=363
http://content.zdnet.com/2346-10741_22-57089.html
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Berlind/?p=364

Hehe. Anyone want to guess the clocks? There's enough information to estimate that from the first link alone
It's teraflops btw, not terabits.

This is what we know for sure so far.

R6xx/RV6xx common features:
UVD = Universal video decoder, supposedly 100% video decode offload even for h.264
Built in HD audio controller for HDMI output without needing extra cabling (!)
Dual link HDCP content output capable, (G80 can only output HDCP content at single link rates! Don't know if they changed this in the coming G86/G84)

R600:
80nm HS process
Smaller die size than G80
Single chip, unlike G80 which needs the NVIO chip
Built in audio controller(!)
320 scalar unified shaders/ALUs/stream processors
~16 texture units
~800MHz clock speed for top end
512bit memory bus
improved ring bus architecture

RV630:
65nm process
~150mm²
128bit memory bus
120 scalar unified shaders/ALUs/stream processors
~8 texture units

RV610:
65nm process
~80mm²
64bit memory bus (don't know if it can go up to 128bit)
40 scalar unfied shaders
~4 texture units

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Apr 30 2007, 07:55 AM

what d difference between teraflops n terabits?

Let me guess R600 it should go somewhere around 640MHz?

This post has been edited by billytong: Mar 1 2007, 03:29 PM

tera flops (FLOPS-Floating Point Operations Per Sec)

tera bits (a unit of binary data, either bandwidth or storage space )

err...

So teraflops involve enermous amount of data relative to terabits?

No, they are different units of measurement meant to show different things. Anyway, please use google or the QnA section for such questions, i don't want this thread polluted with trivial posts on basic definitions.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Mar 1 2007, 03:54 PM

Didn't i tell you to stop you goddamned spam fag?!

Please lah, google for mundane questions, and STOP POSTING FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

shit they keep delay the relase date la.. from feb to may now to june summore... they card not enough power to fight with Nvidia then keep finding solution? Or AMD new proc not rdy so they wait to COMBO attack since they are same BOSS ?

It's 800MHz for 512GFLOPS a piece

320ALUs*2FLOPS*800MHz = 512GFLOPS

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Mar 2 2007, 03:37 PM

The reason for the final delay is in the very first link. It's strategic, not technical.

Graphic card power consumption is going crazier !

G80 is already 180W, so it's not that much worse, depending on how well it performs. I've heard however that things are not going to get any worse than they are now, in fact i think next generation might be better. AMD's upcoming midrange chips RV610, RV630 should be good with power consumption, from all current indications (128W that's been thrown about is wrong AFAIK ).

Yes, these DX10 GPUs are insane. The cooling is much tougher on graphic card than CPU. Well, i guess the developers have no choice if they want great performance. Do you heard of any upcoming ATi GPU with less than 50W?

I don't care bout the power consumption as long as it perform well. Performance is the first priority to me.

GPUs are behind CPUs in terms of power saving features and low power design, for sure. However a lot of that power is also used to power the gobs of high speed memory on the board, CPUs don't have the memory in their power budget. I dunno, i heard many things...


Power requirements cannot keep growing at the current rate. You better care because if things were to continue this way you'll have to buy a more powerful air conditioner every time you upgrade. It's bad for the environment, it's wasteful, and it's just plain dumb to keep increasing power requirements like that.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Mar 3 2007, 02:17 PM

Believe it, it will kept growing, and you can't simply compare to CPU. All those pixel processor, stream processor and 1GB of memory sucking tons of power. Its inevitable and unavoidable, you want ultimate power, you have to make ultimate sacrifice (new PSU, more sophisticated cooling etc). No matter how much noise we make about this issue, they will simply ignore it and still release this beast. Buy midrange cards if you cant keep up with the heat, or get out of nuclear reactor

I still remember the good old days, how simple past high-end card was, especially the GF4 Ti-4600, great speed and simple single slot cooling, and midrange GF4 Ti-4200 can simply be overclocked to Ti-4600. I don't believe future high end card gonna be the same

Yeah, those memory takes a lot of power actually. 1x16MB GDDR3 1000MHz Chip probably consume ~2W. 8 of them (128MB GDDR3) will have ~16W already, hahaha.
Now the 8800GTS with 320MB GDDR is running at even higher speed. The RAM chips alone took up more than 50W


Hopefully the next generation graphic card can stay at 150W range, just like CPU nowadays. A good hardware designer should watch for power consumption and silicon size, not just simply adding buffers and increasing bandwidth.

Practically, that cannot happens. I mean yes, requirement will go up, but eventually engineers will have to find a solution to it, it cannot keep growing no holds barred. engineers will not ignore it because if your competitors can come up with one that doesn't need a nuclear reactor power supply and a vacuume for cooling, you're heading for a doom. Remember how 5800Ultra was blasted for its loud cooling solution.

This is what designing new hardware architecture is all about. Everything including power consumption have to be taken into account. It all sums up to efficiency. Growing in performance with a equal growth in power requirement will means there's absolutely no improvement in its efficiency.

For those who didn't already know...
R600 (and RV6xx) is a sound card too. Built in HD audio controller. Very many interesting possibilities may be enabled by this...
http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/127

I don't understand German, but the slides are in english. UVD ftw.
http://www.k-hardware.de/news.php?s=c&news_id=6399

Now that's definitely new I can't imagine how much noise it will actually introduced to the port (with all the vibration and big fat fan running) hehehe or they might really do a great job and pull it through with this new innovation. Definitely worth a wait.

Electronic noise? On the audio line? The output is digital (HDMI/SPDIF). Unless there's something REALLY broken, noise is not an issue on a digital output.

Hehe, there are many other interesting possibilities that may come with that. Hardware accelerated audio on your GPU perhaps.... who knows....


This post has been edited by ikanayam: Mar 17 2007, 05:39 AM

RV610 die size:
http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/129

RV630 die size:
http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/130

Hehe. RV630 is most interesting.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?article_id=573129
Yay, finally someone from AMD confirms publicly that R600 is 80nm, thus putting the ridiculous rumors about 65nm "respins" to rest. Not that there was any doubt about this in the first place... lol

And just to reiterate since people are still hung up on the OEM board pictures, the retail version of R600 will not be 12" long. It will be shorter than the 8800GTX as far as i know, about 9.5" long.

First post updated with what is known so far, feel free to suggest if there's something i missed.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Apr 3 2007, 02:05 AM

No thats good enough, thanks for the link I don't think you miss anything

For the people who say R600 is too long should be kill on sight

how is the power comsumption like? hopefully i will hav a powerful enough PSU to power it

OMG .. R6xxx cards to have built in HD sound !!

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38714


R600 HAS A secret weapon, an internal sound card. This is the one thing that Nvidia's G8x can't match, other than HDCP on dual-link HDMI.
The ATI sound implementation is not GPGPU code. It is dedicated silicon, probably brought on by the Vista DRM infection and MS twisting arms to force it on people.

In any case, R600 will be compliant with the Vista requirements and can send sound directly over a HDCP/HDMI link. We are told this is a full HD sound setup, not a cheesy 2.1 channel thing.

In contrast, NV G8x parts can't do this. They have to run an external cable from the sound chip to the GPU. This may not sound like much but it blows out several kinds of auto configuration and worse yet violates Vista logo requirements. One has to wonder if this is why NV can't seem to make a functional Vista driver six months in.

The problem with Vista is that the DRM infection mandates that you do not share S/PDIF output over unencrypted links. R600 does this by combining audio and video streams, then pumping them out over HDCP infected links. This is user antagonistic DRM, but it complies with MS logo requirements, and they don't care about user experiences any more than the content mafiaa.

Add in that the R600 can do dual-link HDCP and you are going to be swimming in bandwidth, more than enough to pipe sound down.

Nvidia's G8x on the other hand can't do dual link HDCP at all, so if you have a 30-inch monitor, you will get a black screen. At that point, sound is the least of your problems.

Basically it looks like the sound card in R600 is going to be the killer app for home theatre type apps. G8x simply can not do what is needed here, buggy drivers or not. While the DRM infection stinks, at least R600 will be able to comply.

I don't see anything in there that has not been in the first post of this thread for at least the past 3 days. Except the usual inq nonsense.

why they still limit r630 to 128 bit............... aiyah..............

to keep the cost affordable for mid range consumer.

Yes. Memory bandwidth is a function of bus width AND clock speeds, among other things.

With the high speed of GDDR3/GDDR4. 128bit bus width for midrange graphics card should suffice.

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This post has been edited by zeustronic: Apr 6 2007, 08:15 PM

Here's the video

I want to ask, any hint of the budget and midrange prices for these cards? will it be around R500 cards, what is the fate price wise of last gen cards? (based on previous new generation roll out)

Honestly, i don't know for certain about pricing at this point (these things can change quite rapidly depending on conditions), but look at the previous generation midrange prices and you should be able to get a decent idea. If i knew for certain, it would be up there in the first post. I do not put anything that is "rumored" in there. All that information there is confirmed to be true unless i state otherwise.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Apr 14 2007, 11:51 AM

more nonsense that i like to read from the inquirer

Five models at launch, HD Audio and HDMI supported all the way

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38923

By Theo Valich: Saturday 14 April 2007, 08:32

AMD MADE a mess of its own naming conventions, because it has already launched rebranded RV510 and RV530/560 products as Radeon X2300
. So it decided to ditch the "X" prefix, which was introduced to mark the introduction of the PCI Express standard, even though many cards were shipped with an AGP interface.

The HD models really have a reason to be called that, since from RV610LE chip to R600 boards, the HD Audio codec is present, and HDMI support is native. However, there are some video processing differences, such as a repeat of RV510/530 vs. R580 scenario, albeit with a different GPU mix.

First of all, we have received a lot of e-mails from readers asking us about HDMI support and how that's done, since leaked pictures of OEM designs do not come with HDMI connectors, rather dual-link DVIs only. Again, we need to remind you of our R600 HDMI story, and that story is about elementary maths.

A single dual-link DVI connector has enough bandwidth to stream both video and audio in 1280x720 and 1920x1080 onto HDMI interface by using a dongle. On lower-end models, it is possible that the dongle will be skipped and that a direct HDMI connector will be placed onto the bracket.

The RV610LE will be known to the world as Radeon HD 2400 Pro, and will support 720p HD playback. If you want 1080p HD playback, you have to get a faster performing part. In addition, the HD2400Pro will be paired with DDR2 memory only, the very same chips many of enthusiasts use as their system memory - DDR2-800 or PC2-6400, 800 MHz memory. The reason for the 720p limitation is very simple - this chip heads against G86-303 chip with 64-bit memory interface, the 8300 series. It goes without saying that the RV610LE is a 64-bit chip as well.

The second in line is RV610Pro chip, branded Radeon HD 2400 XT. This pup is paired with GDDR3 memory and is the first chip able to playback Full HD video (1920x1080), thanks to the fact that this is a fully-fledged RV610 GPU, no ultra-cheap-64-bit-only-PCB. RV630 Pro is an interesting one. Formally named Radeon HD 2600 Pro, it sports the very same DDR2 memory used on HD 2400Pro and GeForce 8500GTs we have, but there are some memory controller differences that will be revealed to you as soon as we get permission to put the pictures online.

The RV630XT - the Radeon HD 2600 XT - is nearly identical to the Pro version when it comes to the GPU, but this board is a monster when it comes to memory support, just like its predecessor, the X1600XT. However, this is the only product in the whole launch day line-up that has support for both GDDR-3 and GDDR-4 memory types. Both GDDR-3 and GDDR-4 memory will end up clocked to heavens high, meaning the excellent 8600GTS will have a fearsome competitor.

The R600 512MB is the grand finale. R600 is HD 2900 XT, as our Wily already disclosed. This board packs 512MB of GDDR-3 memory from Samsung, and offers same or a little better performance than 8800GTX, at a price point of 8800GTS. R600 GPU supports two independent video streams, so even a dual-link DVI can be done, even though we doubt this was high on AMD's priority list. This product is nine months late, and a refresh is around the corner, unless AMD continues to execute as ATi did.

The R600 1GB is very interesting. Originally, we heard about this product as a GDDR-4 only, and it is supposed to launch on Computex. We heard more details, and now you need to order at least 100 cards to get it, it will be available in limited quantities only. We expect that ATi will refrain from introduction until a dual-die product from nV shows up, so that AMD can offer CrossFire version with 2GB of video memory in total, for the same price as Nvidia's 1.5GB. Then again, in the war of video memory numbers, AMD is now losing to Nvidia flat-out.

AMD compromised its own product line-up with this 512MB card being the launch one, and no amount of marketing papers and powerpointery can negate the fact that AMD is nine months late and has 256MB of memory less than a six month old flagship product from the competitor. µ


http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6903

320-stream processors, named ATI Radeon HD 2900

AMD has named the rest of its upcoming ATI Radeon DirectX 10 product lineup. The new DirectX 10 product family received the ATI Radeon HD 2000-series moniker. For the new product generation, AMD has tagged HD to the product name to designate the entire lineup's Avivo HD technology. AMD has also removed the X-prefix on its product models.

At the top of the DirectX 10 chain, is the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT. The AMD ATI Radeon HD 2900-series features 320 stream processors, over twice as many as NVIDIA's GeForce 8800 GTX. AMD couples the 320 stream processors with a 512-bit memory interface with eight channels. CrossFire support is now natively supported by the AMD ATI Radeon HD 2900-series; the external CrossFire dongle is a thing of the past.

The R600-based ATI Radeon HD 2900-series products also support 128-bit HDR rendering. AMD has also upped the ante on anti-aliasing support. The ATI Radeon HD 2900-series supports up to 24x anti-aliasing. NVIDIA's GeForce 8800-series only supports up to 16x anti-aliasing. AMD's ATI Radeon HD 2900-series also possesses physics processing.

New to the ATI Radeon HD 2900-series are integrated HDMI output capabilities with 5.1 surround sound. However, early images of AMD's OEM R600 reveal dual dual-link DVI outputs, rendering the audio functions useless.

AMD's RV630-based products will carry the ATI Radeon HD 2600 moniker with Pro and XT models. The value-targeted RV610-based products will carry the ATI Radeon HD 2400 name with Pro and XT models as well.

The entire AMD ATI Radeon HD 2000-family features the latest Avivo HD technology. AMD's upgraded Avivo with a new Universal Video Decoder, also known as UVD, and the new Advanced Video Processor, or AVP. UVD previously made its debut in the OEM-exclusive RV550 GPU core. UVD provides hardware acceleration of H.264 and VC-1 high definition video formats used by Blu-ray and HD DVD. The AVP allows the GPU to apply hardware acceleration and video processing functions while keeping power consumption low.

Expect AMD to launch the ATI Radeon HD 2000-family in the upcoming weeks, if AMD doesn't push back the launch dates further.



http://hardware.gotfrag.com/portal/story/37293/

Via DailyTech: "AMD has named the rest of its upcoming ATI Radeon DirectX 10 product lineup. The new DirectX 10 product family received the ATI Radeon HD 2000-series moniker. For the new product generation, AMD has tagged HD to the product name to designate the entire lineup's Avivo HD technology. AMD has also removed the X-prefix on its product models. At the top of the DirectX 10 chain, is the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT. The AMD ATI Radeon HD 2900-series features 320 stream processors, over twice as many as NVIDIA's GeForce 8800 GTX. AMD couples the 320 stream processors with a 512-bit memory interface with eight channels. CrossFire support is now natively supported by the AMD ATI Radeon HD 2900-series; the external CrossFire dongle is a thing of the past.
The R600-based ATI Radeon HD 2900-series products also support 128-bit HDR rendering. AMD has also upped the ante on anti-aliasing support. The ATI Radeon HD 2900-series supports up to 24x anti-aliasing. NVIDIA's GeForce 8800-series only supports up to 16x anti-aliasing. AMD's ATI Radeon HD 2900-series also possesses physics processing."

when the real relase date the HD2X00 series

these coming weeks

well this is good news, i cant wait for nViDia GCs to drop their price and start the price war after the R6xx cards is released

thanks bro, that a good news, waiting so long for that day... wanna see how this new baby perform...

but honestly i can't believe what inquirer says....

Confirmed: The top end RV630 part does not have a power connector. Meaning it will be safely under 75W. I cannot wait.

my 9800 pro needs power connector guess the new once are not power hungry as the old cards

your 9800Pro is using AGP, which is able to supply about 50W only. Even the graphic card runs at 55W it still require an external power connector.

oh i see. i didnt know that there is a power restriction on the AGP slot

yeah i think pci-e able to supply 75W only

this might sound stupid......
what is R600........
is it a chipset for graphic........
why some people waiting for this chip.........

Yes it's the latest high end graphic offering from ATi, but it's not out yet. Maybe next week or so... hopefully.

when people say R600.. it means the whole card which utilized the R600 core

so this kind of chipset is better from Nvidia chipset......
dx10 ready......?
hows da price.....?
if lower than 8800GTX than i might wait for it also....

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Added on April 20, 2007, 2:00 amso this kind of chipset is better from Nvidia chipset......
dx10 ready......?
hows da price.....?
if lower than 8800GTX than i might wait for it also....

This post has been edited by prospeed_ballz: Apr 20 2007, 02:00 AM

hmm requote:

Finally, some proper pictures of RV630:
http://www.hardspell.com/english/doc/showc...=414&pageid=516

I don't know about the benchmark figures and all that, but that picture is legit.

Is it we can expect HD2900xt selling in the Market on 14 May 07?

I really want to believe when they said the performance of 8800gtx with the price of 8800gts.

wowowowoweeee omgohzorz haxorz.

Finally, them power hungry wh*re are joining the nunnery.

I was getting worried that I might need to dangle molex connectors all over these new cards like it's somekind of eight legged spider.

hope Nvidia will do the same.

I knew there has got to be a better solution, they are just not looking hard enough for it, simply adding the jiggawatts and hulking the size of the GC is not the solution.

In the future, I would like to see USB Graphic card the shape/size of a pendrive. So we can dangle our 999999gtx around our neck at LAN party and pimp them with LED and laser etching. For cooling, we simply put them inside a water cooled copper cube box, with the USB connector end sticking out. So your rig's front panel will have a fist sized copper cube attached, complete with external water pump. You can pimp the copper cube to any shape you want, micky mouse, shape of a women, dildo, etc. Just dont touch it, coz it's hot.

Oh, Look at my usb 99999gtx thumb SLI, around my gold necklace, next to my brass knuckle .... and KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY GIRL!!!



This post has been edited by lamely_named: Apr 20 2007, 02:37 PM

drunk again as usual lamely_named? minum banyak gilak lankau

Wow, looks very nice..Cant wait for it to be released...

arent you going for the R rather than the RV?

Considering that the benchmark up there is real, what will be the challenger for the 2600XT compared to NVidia?8600GTS?

the HD2600XT priced at usd199 rite? it should be round RM700-850 price like 8600GTS..

can this baby fight the 8800gts

Nobody knows this yet, but I believe it wont be as fast as 8800GTS since its not targeted to compete with it, probably R600GTO with cut down pipes and memory will beat 8800GTS

http://www.tgdaily.com/index.php?option=co...1722&Itemid=118

Is it R600 too late or G80 was too early?

Late May early June ? If it's true, forget it then lar. G80 here i come....

I don't necessarily buy something even if i find it interesting. It's just that it will be a great performance/watt part, and i have always been hoping for a large improvement in this area. Seems like i'll finally see it happen with the RV6xx series.

Today we saw FX57.net disclosed the R600 3DMark06 test results in VISTA.

Test platform:

Processor: Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 2.93GHz
Mainboard: Intel i975X
Memory: DDR2-800 2GB
OS: Windows Vista
Driver: Catalyst 7.1(8.33), ForceWare 97.44

The score of R600XTX 1GB is about 12000 while NVIDIA 8800GTX 10500. R600XTX is higher than 8800GTX about 15%. R600XT reached 10000 but 8800GTS is 9000.



http://www.hardspell.com/english/doc/showc...asp?news_id=361

i would say that R600 is too late... Even 86xx series already release but still no good news from R600, just delay....

the game not coming out yet.it better wait the game first and see which one is good(nv@ati)

Yup, I believe ATI wait for new games with more demanding graphic to do comparison. G80 early release is just to grab more buyer

which they did so very successfully, much like xbox over PS3.....early bird catches a whole lot more of worms....

This post has been edited by seanl: Apr 23 2007, 04:17 PM

how come u can say that, still don't hv any news from amd... wo why they took so long

Photo of the HD 2600xt ddr3 version. From the article show it doesnt require external power





More details is available HERE

Some sample benchmark result of the HD 2600xt as compare to 8600gts available HERE

NFSC main menu frame rates


This post has been edited by sniperwolf: Apr 23 2007, 06:51 PM

The 2600XT is GDDR4? I saw that on the link given by sniperwolf..And it should be on par with the 8600GTS..

This post has been edited by akachester: Apr 23 2007, 07:13 PM

It should beat the 8600gts lah. The 8600 series not as great a leap as expected.

Ok is the article saying 3dmark, 2600-2105, and 20 fps faster than gts in need for speed???

source: www.fudzilla.com


lets party

nice cooling there....
is it enough for the fan to cool all of this copper.not enough air flow will make it more heat i think.
anyway...nice

I cannot trust these pics
Notice the differences??

2nd picture is the newer revision of the RV630xt board.

the highest end of the R600 family consume 270W, wtf.....it really need super cool and quiet to save power consumption.

The first picture is obvious shoop. Look how wrong is the focus between the motherboard and the card itself.

i think that's depth of field effect of the camera...

It's an early RV630xt board. Still has the power connector. It's not a shop.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Apr 24 2007, 01:51 AM

Not all cameras ade super apeture bang

Lulz, its still a shoop for save as jpg option for the least.

can't wait this baby jump into market... so long not use ati vga...

R600 Advantages ya?

ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT Performance Benchmarks

taken from dailytech.com

Waiseh! Look at the ON Fire graphic cooling, not bad ah. I like its red color!

Aw you beat me to it. How do they compare to a gtx?

That's XT which is equivalent to GTS. Still waiting for XTX 1GB GDDR4 w00t to surface.

This post has been edited by Joseph Hahn: Apr 24 2007, 10:54 PM

More benchmark of RV630
http://www.ocer.net/article/a_show.php?id=10057

3Dmark06

Radeon HD 2600XT - 5760 marks
GeForce 8600GTS - 5900 marks

follow by this--
AMD's ATI Radeon HD 2900-series also possesses physics processing
is this mean by using it no need buy the asus physix card but will hv its effect ???

I stumbled upon this while looking up barcelona cores...notice the #1 rank...amd....and unknow model? maybe the engineer take for test drive? LOL

heres the link
http://www.boincstats.com/stats/host_cpu_s...=sah&st=0&or=10

2900XTX... thats sound nice....
how bout their price..