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Ramjade
post Oct 7 2017, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(funnyface @ Oct 7 2017, 08:58 AM)
If you can know when is the lowest....  hmm.gif
If i can predict the future then i better go buy 4D  laugh.gif

I think the article is trying to say since we cannot predict the future, you wont know when is the lowest. So the best is continue investing  nod.gif
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But does it make sense to buy at the peak or near the peak? hmm.gif
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post Oct 7 2017, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 7 2017, 10:27 AM)
yes, I make sense....but as "peak", "bottom", "near peak" or "near bottom"......we can only know it by looking at its historical chart
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True.


QUOTE(funnyface @ Oct 7 2017, 11:12 AM)
But billion dollar question is how do you know when is peak?  hmm.gif
You only know it was peak based on historical chart. Now, please tell me when is the exact peak in the future, i dont mind share my profit with you  whistling.gif
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Er, when words like record high, higher than history, same height as previous peak, should be clues right? We cannot know when is peak but we can know when is near peak and prepare for it.

True. IMO a drop won't happen if everyone is preparing for it. Only when everyone is in the mood of FOMO, then drop will happen.
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post Oct 11 2017, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Streetrat @ Oct 11 2017, 12:14 PM)
Hi guys, i'm a total beginner and would like to ask for some advice. I just started investing in public mutual few months ago with minimum initial investment, but lucky enough before putting in more money i found fundsupermart. I've read about half of this tread and am interested to join in. Heres some questions that i hope you guys can help to answer.

1. How should i diverse my fund if i plan to invest 10k/50k/100k? any different?

2. Should i put in 1 lump sum in different fund, or should i RSP for the DCA? How should i divide my RSP?

3. I understand that in short term, the funds might drop. So is it safe to say that if i plan to invest at least 5 to 10 years, then i wont need to worry about the drop?

4. I remember a story about Xuzen in the first few pages in this tread, can i ask why did xuzen sell the fund when it drop 20%? if xuzen remain with the fund and in a few years time the fund rise back, what will happen then. example. I buy fund A for RM1.2, then drop to RM1, and in few years rise back to RM1.5, is my understanding correct that i have earn Rm0.3?

5. RHB cash management fund 2, from what i understand the profit per annual is around 3.3-3.5 with 0 risk, this fund is something like a bank fixed deposit correct?  Is there any fund with minimal risk, give reasonable return and i can take out cash whenever i want without any charges? better then put in FD.

Currently this are the questions that i can think of, i'm sure more questions will come soon after i read more from you guys.

Thank you very much.
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This is my answer.
1. Got difference. The more money you put in, the higher the loss/profit. Eg. Put in RM10k vs RM1k, if both drop by 10%, for RM10k, you lose RM1k. For RM1k, that's RM100. How to diversify? You can allocate more to section you think will perform better (kind of like betting)/fix your allocation. Know what and how much you want to put in first. If you really blur, you can try this blogger's allocation.
Turtle Investor Asset Allocation. You can modify it to your liking or just copy it. He's using ETF.

2. Bull run already 8 years old. Do you feel lucky to do lump sum? You can set up the RSP or you can do your own DCA (manually). How much to divide your RSP depend on your comfort level. That one only you can answer yourself.

3. Of course you need to worry about drop. Why? What happen if you need the money during bad times? Do you liquidate? If yes, you are already taking a loss. Now, say if you can liquidate whenever you like, you can seat tight and pump in more and reap the benefits of bull run and pocket your profits.

4. Perhaps he found better place? Sometimes it's good to cut loss and hop on to something which is making money. So that you don't waste time waiting for it to rebound. That you better wait for his reply. Yes. You only earn 0.3

5. Correction. RHB CMF give only about 3.3% with 1 day lag time when you decide to withdraw. Never 3.5%. Phillip money market is 3.5% with zero lag day (if you use maybank). Got. Amanah saham fixed price fund. 6%, instant withdrawal on the spot. Need to go bank/asnb branch. I am using this insteaf of using CMF.

Hope this helps.

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post Oct 14 2017, 07:30 AM

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QUOTE(jfleong @ Oct 14 2017, 01:56 AM)
Is there any where to buy UT at a lower sales charge rate?
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Lower than banks/agents> FSM MY
Lower than FSM MY> POEMS SG/Dollardex (0% service charge, 0% platform fees).
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post Oct 17 2017, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(raynmann @ Oct 17 2017, 11:07 AM)
safe to pun in money there?
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Define your definiton of safe. If you really want safe (cannot lose money), your best best is
1) Promo FD
2) Amanah saham fixed price fund
3) EPF
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post Oct 17 2017, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 17 2017, 11:40 AM)
You are assuming that all the bumi who are entitled to buy ASB has a significant sum in ASB

http://www.asnb.com.my/v3_/pdf/produk/ASB/2016_AR-ASB.pdf
Actually out of 9.1 million account holders, 6.7 million account holder which makes up of 73% of the total account holders have <RM5k balance in ASB
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QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 17 2017, 12:13 PM)
I kinda expected them to fully utilize their privilege. I never expected 73% of them only got less than 5k.

Kinda shocking. Because ASB minimum annually sure can get 8%, and better than epf.
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This is because most of them treat ASB as a SA. Masuk keluar sesuka hati. Like that, how money going to grow (since asnb calculate how much dividend you are entitle based on lowest amount of the month)
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post Oct 17 2017, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 17 2017, 01:00 PM)
pardon my ignorant... hmm.gif

"My colleague has been kicking herself after 1st year ASB loan with CIMB "
kicking herself mean not happy right?

"coz she SHOULD HAVE DONE IT 6 YEARS AGO when i showed her the Excel / maths"
then should have done it 6 year ago?....
not happy why do it earlier?
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My guess is asb performance hace drop below 7% (most recent result)
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post Oct 17 2017, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 17 2017, 01:55 PM)
Is now a good time to start investing?
i think the best time is after you
had prepared your emergency fund
had read and understand the cons and limitations of UT investing
had understand and accepted the many risks involved with UT investing
had obtained the help of FSM CIS in understanding your risk profile and suggested some funds for you to start forming a portfolio.

or should i wait till end of year, starting next year or any specific events?
once you had done the above, i think any time is also a good time for after you had open an a/c you can buy with lower SC within 30 days.

How to check if the market is going up or down?
cannot actual see if the market "IS" going down or up...
what can be see is where the market "HAD" been....
we can only see the trend......

goto FUNDS INFO/CHART CENTER to see the trend
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Actually can see. How? Look at the index for each market. A fund is suppose to beat the index. Now if index down, takkan fund also not down?
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post Oct 17 2017, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 17 2017, 02:09 PM)
we can only see where it had been not where it is going to be....
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I don't think so. Remember a few weeks ago, there's a systemic selldown in asia, US? All index drop. Same with all funds. Nothing was spared.

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post Oct 17 2017, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(chosie @ Oct 17 2017, 09:41 PM)
Hi MUM, thank you for spare your time to do the survey. For question 7, each line cannot have same rating. E.g. if you choose 1 in line 1, then you can't choose 1 in other line, you need to choose between 2 to 7 rating for line 2 to line 7. Hope this help. thank you very much.
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I can't give you an honest answer if you put such settings.
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post Oct 17 2017, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 17 2017, 10:20 PM)
Portfolio laggard is still AmAsia Pacific REITs - Class B (MYR).

ROI since February 2017: 2.5%
IRR: 4.0%

Underperformed against Affin Hwang Select Asia Pacific (Ex Japan) REITS and Infrastructure Fund & Manulife Investment Asia-Pacific REIT Fund

I'm thinking of selling it off.
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Just sell. Move on. Have no regrets. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 18 2017, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(chosie @ Oct 18 2017, 10:29 AM)
Hi Ramjade, may you elaborate more? Thanks for your feedback.

The intention of this question is to understand what are the metrics Malaysian will look for in priority to them when deciding on which fund to invest. Of course, there are still many metrics out there which will come to your priority but not listed in this survey.

However, from these available metrics, which will flash through your mind first (parameters relevant to you most) when you want to put down your money in the investment.

For example, some risk takers might have the priority on highest return possible, but for those who are not risk takers and just would like to invest for their retirement fund, will just decide on funds which can meet their goals.
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Q7. There are some answers I would like to put 7 or 1 (multiple times). But because you set such restriction in place, I end up just "X" the page without submitting anything.

Either you adjust it or you won't have your data biggrin.gif

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post Oct 18 2017, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Oct 18 2017, 05:40 PM)
And as usual, you shoot off mouth talk 3 talk 4 as if you know better.

It is 'ranking' something, which requires a bit more thinking from the participants.

If you want to be helpful and answer the survey, then do it by spending a bit more time on how to rank it.
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I want to give my honest answer. Some of them don't warrant a 3, 4 but because of the restriction, one is force to choose that.
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post Oct 19 2017, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Oct 19 2017, 02:09 AM)
Do you truly understand what I meant by "ranking"?

The survey question asked to rank them in order of relevant to you. If you think 2 or 3 of them are equally relevant to you, and can't decide, then think a bit deeper and make up your mind.

Here is how I would rank them.

When choosing unit trust fund to invest, which is most relevant (or important) to me:
(1 is the most relevant while 7 is the least relevant)

1. Fund return that can meet my investment goals, not necessary the highest return 
2. High fund return (absolute & annualized)
3. Fund sales charge
4. Fund portfolio allocation (e.g. asset allocation, country allocation, etc.)
5. Fund volatility and Sharpe ratio (fund's fluctuation and excess return to risk)
6. Recommendation from friends, forum and online community and resources
7. Recommendation from unit trust agents

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This is what you said in your previous post:

"Either you adjust it or you won't have your data."

Bloody arrogant, don't you think?
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Ranking could mean from 1-7, how would you rank them individually instead of in a group. Your understanding is rank all in a group. For me, my understanding is rank them individually.

So some stuff I would like to rank only 1 (few of them) but because of the restriction, I had to rank them at 3-5. Now how honest is such answer? A survey is based on honestly. If one cannot give his or her honest answer, the survey is flawed.

Is not about arrogant. Is about giving an honest answer.

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post Oct 20 2017, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 20 2017, 09:20 AM)
0% all the way then we talk. this one is opening introduction from eUT and btw cc ramjade bro you in?
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Precisely. Make it free for life then we are talking.
Nope. I already liquidate my FSM port and move them over to Phillip SG already. No interest in earning RM from my investments. Now my UT in SG are earning me SGD. brows.gif

This are what I will be using them for.
Phillip MY - to buy affin hwang select bond fund (parking place/SA)
FSM MY - to buy PRS/use EPF to buy (if they don't go the way of FSM SG)
Phillip SG - my main UT engine

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Oct 20 2017, 01:40 PM)
What will normally happen when a fund is closed? Sifus please advise.
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You cannot buy anymore. You can only sell.
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QUOTE(frankzane @ Oct 20 2017, 02:15 PM)
But can I still buy when someone sells his unit?

Also, how long can I keep my unit after the fund is closed?
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This is not amanah saham. Close means close. Cannot buy even if someone sold RM1m worth of units.
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post Oct 28 2017, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 27 2017, 10:37 PM)
Warning! Old man ranting ahead... ranting.gif
I blame nowadays the internet for perpetuating a lie that everyone can or must be rich. Or that everyone should do business or some sort of entrepreneur endeavour. What the internet conveniently left out is that rich people is like a pyramid, only a few are rich and the majority are poor with the middle group simply being middle income people.

If you are not rich, I mean, so be it... it is not a crime nor a death knell. Unlike what Jack Ma said, you do not have to be rich to live comfortably. I am certainly rich compared to the majority below me demographically and I am certainly poor compared to the few very rich above me in the pyramid scheme of things.

Am I an entrepreneur? Am I a business man? No, I am neither. I am just a salary man who build wealth the old fashion way... that is I spend less than what I earn and invest the rest. Can I be a business man? I doubt so. Can I be an entrepreneur? No way. Do I need to buy the BMW or live in a large mansion to be happy? No. Be contented and be happy.

To me, UTF is a good tool for regular Joe like me to accumulate wealth in a safe and easily accessible way in a sense I do not need to come out with a large capital outlay. I can invest in sum that I am comfortable with. I can certainly stop at anytime I want without penalty. And I can liquidate the fund at anytime I want. What sort of investment tool can you think off that can offer such freedom or flexibility?

Xuzen
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- ETF whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Oct 28 2017, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Kokman @ Oct 28 2017, 07:05 AM)
Good point. Even better is the leveraged buy of ETF. Unfortunately we only have 3 choices on Bursa: Malaysia, ASEAN, and China. Very Asian centric.
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Don't restrict yourself to bursa only. There's so many instrument to get access to ETF.

Brokers
- 8 securities
- Charles schwab

Robo advior
- Stash away
- Autowealth
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post Oct 28 2017, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Oct 28 2017, 02:16 PM)
you invested both FSM SG & ETF?
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Correction. I don't use FSM SG. I use POEMS SG. ETF future. Not now.

QUOTE(Kokman @ Oct 28 2017, 03:31 PM)
Possible to register and use FSM SG from Malaysia?
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Of course. You can apply everything online without the need to have a SG bank account or step into SG. If you are willing to pay 0.1% platform fees per QUARTER to FSM SG. I am not. Hence I went for POEMS SG (their competitor with 0% service charge, 0% platform fees, 0% switching fee).

Note FSM SG managed portfolio is way cheaper than Malaysia as it only cost you 0.5%/year when you compare to FSM MY managed portfolio.

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