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Aug 6 2017, 10:34 AM
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Aug 6 2017, 12:12 PM
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Aug 6 2017, 01:47 PM
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Aug 6 2017, 02:01 PM
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Aug 6 2017, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 6 2017, 02:32 PM) how can you park money on epf? How to take out? There is zero liquidity, u park money in from ur own pocket then it gonna stay there. unless u talking about using EPF to buy EPF approved funds. Yes. Using epf to buy approved funds. If there's nothing to buy, let the epf earn 6%. If opportunity arises, use the money to buy epf approved funds. |
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Aug 6 2017, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(2387581 @ Aug 6 2017, 09:48 PM) There is a very limited selection of funds...and with the shady stuffs happening within the Malaysian government administration, the EPF may soon cease to have a 6% yield as most people would like to think, and there is a possibility that the monies will vanish as well. What if next year it gives you a -6% yield (reason: investment loss) or the MO1 simply take everything into his private offshore accounts before (if) he topples? Limited but all star funds are among on the list. Good enough for me.If really like that, expect major protest and riots. Even kenanga growth fund, banks like cimb and maybank also gone liao. Can that happen? Yes. Other countries are good example of it. Don't even expect have internet. Your main priority that time is got food to last you through trouble times. As I said, if you don't trust EPF, just withdraw and go invest on your own. |
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Aug 7 2017, 11:46 AM
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Aug 7 2017, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(young_97 @ Aug 7 2017, 01:01 PM) Yes there are.- People are starting to use margin to get more money - market is irrational (even after ex date, many counters price are not dropping) - even if it's expensive, people still buy - people like warren buffet is sitting on cash |
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Aug 7 2017, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Aug 7 2017, 01:32 PM) so...how are you preparing for this upcoming crash? what % is in war chest waiting for crash? how long are you willing to wait? 1. How are you preparing? Keep emergency cash. Why? During market crash, how sure are you won't be retrench? People said 6 months cukup. How sure are you you can get a job within 6 months? If you have enough cash to survive the cold harsh winter, you have nothing to worry (words by a blogger name createwealth8888).what's your war-chest instrument? fd? when the crash do happen, how do you determine when to start deploying your cash? and how: through what investment vehicle? 2. Percentage to keep? I know of some people here keeping close to 100% cash 3. How long are you willing to wait? If there's no discount, why should I deploy my cash? I learnt my mistake already. Opportunity present itself and I ran out of cash. 4. War chest instrument. Who uses FD when there's amanah saham and EPF? Let them do the hard lifting. Govt give you instrument, use it la. 5. How to determine? For me, I determine by how much dividend I want my stocks to generate. Min 6% for bluechips. >10% for reits (possible, yes extremely possible for reits). Keep in mind this are all in terms of SGD. Will deploy my money into SG UT too. Item 1 already furfilled long long time ago. (save like a squirrel when I am in uni. Count every sen. Even now still counting every sen.) Now doing item 2,3, 4. QUOTE(xuzen @ Aug 7 2017, 02:37 PM) We shall see... This post has been edited by Ramjade: Aug 7 2017, 02:51 PM |
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Aug 7 2017, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 7 2017, 03:09 PM) Good that you are putting a lot of effort into your passive income but are you putting the same effort in your active income? being the best in your industry and making sure you aren't obsolete in the coming years? Bro just graduate la. Need to take things slow. What I learnt, cannot depend on job. So need to make sure I have cash coming in (dividend investing). So if in the future if say retrench, at least my dividends are coming in. Got some level of support. |
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Aug 7 2017, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(i1899 @ Aug 7 2017, 03:44 PM) Meaning u r jobless now? Job's coming. Plus emergency cash for few years + dividends, at least that's something. Better than nothing coming in. I know my priority. Be an exteme frugal person and invest when opportunity present itself. Even u r great, taking 20% pa from ur investment with a capital of SGD 10K, Ur yearly passive income is SGD 2K only. While, u can get active income SGD3K/ month or SGD36K per year easily. Be realistic la. Don't confuse on ur priority now. I am realistic person. Already counted and plan everything. I already know what I need to do. For me, my only problem is RM is so Ini sudah OT. This post has been edited by Ramjade: Aug 7 2017, 03:50 PM |
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Aug 7 2017, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Aug 7 2017, 04:15 PM) Miss this eh? QUOTE Item 1 already furfilled long long time ago. (save like a squirrel when I am in uni. Count every sen. Even now still counting every sen.) Never underestimate the power of savings + compounding interest. Someone bought a blink blink you know... You can rest your case. I rest mine. |
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Aug 7 2017, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 7 2017, 04:19 PM) well said. many old timers here have weathered multiple economy crisis and look where are they now. not in bankruptcy nor have they suffered a traumatic disaster. Sorry no offence. Time is very important. Had you bought at the peak before GFC, would you have break even today? Compare that with someone who bought at the depths of GFC. So timing not important? my point is stop timing the markets. just follow the ratio of financing yourself 50% of pay goes to permanent monthly expenses like mortgage, car loan, taxes, bills, 30% goes to savings and investments. 10% of it is in EPF so break down 15% into your UT Port and 5% into CMF/emergency funds. 20% for entertainment purposes like date nights, renovations and travels. also focus on cementing your job and never let your passive income disturb your work like taking day off just to go to bank or Singapore. have a side income. have hobbies work for you like bonsai, drawing, painting, scale modeling while it keeps your sanity and creativity. I love my work so I work on weekends and public holidays so that generates an additional 2.5k per week. and I have funds to open up another clinic if I wanted. that's how you become secure. not just chase numbers or worrying about the currency exchange because that's out of your control Actually both timing and time in the market are important. Why do you think Warren buffet is sitting on cash now? Because he waiting for things to be cheap. And waiting is timing. That's why I set everything up before I started work. Do you think I have time to make a trip? Of course not. Now with fintech licensed by bnm, I can still do my transfers without paying banks ridiculous charges and still be in malaysia. No need for anymore SG trips. Sorry. No offence. Something doesn't sound right. Previously you mentioned you have to save money for wedding and now you mentioned you can open another clinic if you wanted. Now, if you have enough money to open a clinic, you wouldn't need to save for wedding would you? QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Aug 7 2017, 03:42 PM) A quick pullback is more likely than a crash. Yes. Most likely a quick pullback. But must pounce when there are opportunities. That's why must have ready cash. How quick can it be? Sharp drop and a quick rebound, maybe over one or two days... if able to catch it, then it's a leg up. How great is the leg up or booster shot, well how much you can or dare to top-up? (In the first place, do you have the money to top-up?) (As often quoted here: "It is not about timing the market, but time spend in the market." Meaning that the returns are proportionate to the length of time in holding the investments/funds; and implying that it is easier to get these higher returns by holding them than timing and trading them in and out.) Crash - not yet. If there is no bubble, what is there to burst? And if there is a perceived bubble (in your eyes), how will it burst when it is not over-inflated? Signs of over-hype, over-inflated bubble developing: All and sundry is in the stock market, including those who normally don't. You will read it in the Sunday papers on normal folks who is now spending time trading stocks instead of working OT or double shifts or doing 2nd jobs or part-time jobs - easy money to be made. You will read replies in forums telling the jobless to 'earn' some money at the stock exchange instead of the usual advices of doing uber. Some bubble will be about to burst when you hear folks saying they can get easy money sitting at home in front of a terminal rather than spending time on the road doing uber or manning a burger stand. And how would a market crash affect normal folks like you or me? Nothing much unless your company is affected and you are retrenced. If you still have a job, life goes on... and your regular savings into UT funds continue on... And if you not in the accumulating and beginning stage, and had already build up a tidy sum of money and nest egg, I think you would already structured your portfolio of funds and its equity/income ratio such that it is ready at all times to handle any eventualities. Just my 2 cents.... Future's so bright, I gotta wear shades. Can a crash happen? Of course. You just need either china or US to be in trouble. People seems to forget that unit trust is still a basket of stocks. A pullback is nothing. A crash ia what one needs to be worried whether the company will retrench or not This post has been edited by Ramjade: Aug 7 2017, 04:44 PM |
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Aug 7 2017, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 7 2017, 05:25 PM) People have diff mentality ma. Well said.Every job need to think about additional income from other place. People here don't like my ideas as it's new and strange. So what. Everyone got different strategy. Like they said all roads lead to rome. The question is which road do you want to take? The exciting and fast road? Or the long and slow road. As long as he is not doing anything that harm people, then I am ok with it. As Chinese saying as long as he not kill people put fire then ok haha. Doctor aren't rich nowadays. People may think that's a goodjob. But in all of the docs in MY, how many that can have own established clinic like our bro here? And last months a report say that around 200 clinics just close down... Every field can generate good income if you know your filed well. Doesn't necessary you need to become The Big 4 to become rich. Its our own perception anyways. And what the important thing is that listen to the old one. Sometime they may wrong but most of the time they are right. Anyway, my methods have been proven to work. Just need to be patient... Some like DCA, some like jumping around, some like all equities. Some just want to hold bond. Some like to keep cash. Macam2 ada. This post has been edited by Ramjade: Aug 7 2017, 05:33 PM |
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Aug 7 2017, 10:46 PM
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Please la. Bukan doctor ok.
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Aug 8 2017, 09:22 AM) wah, you still want to pretend you are sharing your opinions and ideas, when in actual fact you are sharing stupidity and nonsense. You have your way, I have mine. Some things to ponder about.Your above comment in reply to my long post... looks like english, sounds like english, but it is greek. All are incoherent nonsense. "Yes. Most likely a quick pullback. But must pounce when there are opportunities. That's why must have ready cash." So the YTD gains and monthly gains for the last 3 months are what? Are they not buying "opportunities"? Do you know that a pullback is defined as a drop of about 5% from the peak? So tell me whether it is smart or foolish to wait 6 months for a sharp 1 day drop of 5% to make your purchase, and missed the 6 months gain of 20%. 'In the past 6 months, an UT fund had grown by 20%, this morning today, its benchmark index drops 5%, today is the best time to buy with all your money that you have been saving and keeping for the last 6 months.' It sounds logic or not? Of course it sounds logic to a jobless graduate who is funded by parents. Easy money - easy come, easy go. "Can a crash happen? Of course. You just need either china or US to be in trouble. People seems to forget that unit trust is still a basket of stocks." Why are you saying this in reply to my post? Did I say that the market will never crash? Did you really read and comprehend what I wrote? "A pullback is nothing. A crash is what one needs to be worried whether the company will retrench or not." Do you know what happens during a market crash? Don’t la talk like a smartass who has been through a real market crash and thinking that a market crash will affect everyone in the country. Then what the fuck were you going on and on about hold cash? You are one fucking moron… yes, I am damn annoyed. (Yes, I too can pretend to be angry, just like you pretend to be smart and talking like a know-it-all authoritative figure when you're just a jobless duke fresh out of school.) Who wouldn’t be annoyed? I took the time to share some opinions and to further the discussion, and here you are replying to my post, trying to counter my input and brushing it aside with a seemingly sounding authoritative voice – "A pullback is nothing. A crash is what one needs to be worried whether the company will retrench or not." What a moronic, trolling, waste-of-time-and space, useless piece of shitty comment which you had so effortlessly pull out of your arse. Great job! Well done! - what will you do if it fall just 5%? Like so many here 1% fall already hoohaa. You think a crash is pretty? Take 1998/2008. - You don't think everyone is affected? 1998 companies was closing down left right center. How many people lost their job? How many people committed suicide? - US market crash, know what happen? US start printing money like crazy. People use that opportunity to flip houses until your normal everyday house which was affordable suddenly became unaffordable. RM200k house nowadays sitting easily at RM500-800k. No effect eh? Price of things shot up. QUOTE(vincabby @ Aug 8 2017, 09:36 AM) None. It's ok. As I mentioned, everyone got their own plan. They don't like mine so what?voyage23, btw I am still vested in case you didn't know. But I am not adding any more. QUOTE(jdgobio @ Aug 8 2017, 09:42 AM) Very well said. Summarizes Ramjade for what he really is and not what he pretends to be. Unfortunately that fella is very thick skin one and will now share his experience of going through a "crash" in SG REITS Go ahead. We see who will laugh to the bank when a crash comes. US (automobiles sales aren't great, US stocks are pricey, interest rate is low, uses of leverage is almost similar to before 2008), China is looking unstable. Let's see how the US or China going to rescue their economy this time around.I will be prepared. I just need to wait. FOMO, that's real. But I rather have $$$ than FOMO. Know what you want. Do you want a measly 10% return one time or do you want a forever 10%+ dividend p.a/3 digit returns? I know what I want. QUOTE(puchongite @ Aug 8 2017, 09:46 AM) I don't know why today everyone seems to wake up and synchronize the attacks towards Ramjade. Poor Ramjade becomes the serving on the morning breakfast plates for everyone. LOL. Chill la. Just because I am contrarian. People buy, I wait. People said don't hold cash, I hold cash. If you don't learn from the best, there's no point learning at all. The best here are some people who went through crashes and know what they are doing. Keep your troops and fight another day. Take your time. |
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Aug 8 2017, 10:09 AM) The problem is that you sounded like holding a lot of cash. Instead of talking in absolute term, which is not fair, could you please tell us the % amount of cash ( in whatever form you defined it ) you are holding in anticipation of major market plunge ? How to tell what % of cash? I don't keep track of my cash. Whatever cash I have I just throw inside amanah saham (parking place) if there's nothing to buy. Definitely not 100% like some unker here. I think maybe >50%? I am also |
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 8 2017, 10:22 AM) I don't wanna target you man. I am not gonna be an asshole but I am just pointing out that when you advise to keep cash in preparation for a crash, many would think it would be a very liquid entity. then suddenly you say you park in amanah saham. Come come. I clear your mindso now people are questioning your plan. kejap FSM. kejap FSM SG kejap SG reit kejap ASx Kejap Forex. Hence why you being attacked personally because you make no sense and at the same time insist to advise people. my two cents. Amanah saham - parking place. Anytime I want to liquidate, I can get back my money. No need few days. Even if I sell all, they will give me back all my money FSM - going to liquidate everything. FSM SG - never even have account with them Phillip SG - transfer from FSM MY > Phillip SG (hence my portfolio will be all SG UT) S-reits + S counters - slowly building my holdings. This is my main engine to generate free SGD (I can use the dividend given to buy more shares or throw it into Phillip SG) Forex - never Clear? QUOTE(Drian @ Aug 8 2017, 10:25 AM) Personally I feel changing % allocation in asset class is better than keeping it in cash. If -5% for every year that's there's no crash, shouldn't In booming period 90% equities 10% bond/FI. at 10 year period 70% equities 30% bond/FI. -5% of equity portion for every year a crash has not happen after 10 years. at 10 year period, you will be holding 40% equities/60% bond? This post has been edited by Ramjade: Aug 8 2017, 10:31 AM |
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Aug 8 2017, 10:52 AM) Depending on the company. Junk bonds/High yield bonds unlikely. In a crash, if a company file for bankruptcy, bond holders will get the proceed of the sales first, then follow by preferential shareholders and lastly common shareholders. There's a reason they are dishing out high coupon payment. More risk.QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 8 2017, 10:55 AM) hehehe SG to myr bukan forex kah brother? anyways no harm no joke. as xuzen say we all here to talk kok Nope. Why? Because long term RM will go down. Not to talk bad, but it's sad fact This post has been edited by Ramjade: Aug 8 2017, 11:23 AM |
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 8 2017, 11:24 AM) this noon is 1mdb payment due date. if they don't make it we are all fucked. you and me and everyone else. Bursa is going into the red as we are talking here. Bye bye myr. Really? Thanks for the news. But as someone said, BNM issue bond (almost same amount as what's needed)https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=85863687 Issuance of Bonds nothing to do with raising funds for 1MDB. |
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