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post Jul 15 2017, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Jul 15 2017, 07:54 AM)
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He has no plan to hold this nick for long, that explains his choice of nick and also his choice of language/words and posting style.

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post Jul 15 2017, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(HahaCat @ Jul 15 2017, 09:46 AM)
There's so much truth in what i say, if u take time to really think and read. Not needing to prove anything but juz wanna give u a picture, so u start believing and get down from your little world. In the world of sharks, i am juz a cat. Attach snapshot of my interpac safi holding. Meow.
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I have been talking about Interpac funds and this is the figure I wanted to obtain.

Assuming that you have more or less the same amount for Interpac Dynamic, then your overall investment with Interpac is still below one million.

Now at least I know you have sub million holding in Interpac and not several million.

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post Jul 15 2017, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 15 2017, 10:30 AM)
Hari ini dalam sejarah:

The above reminded me of my early exposure to UTF participation when I was an UTC agent with Public Mutual.

During those times, during 2008 - 2013 when I was a Pub - Mut UTC agent, I remember also hearing from my upline there are these type of players. They pump in large sum (quarter to half a million) , then few months later cabut or park in money market fund. Public Ittikal, Public Regular Saving and Public Small Cap were some of the favourite goring UTF back then.

These type of behavior was rampant during those times, before AMLA, CRS, FRS and all these legislation kicks in.

However, these type of behavior was giving the fund manager headache as each time these speculators pulls out, the fund manager are forced to sell their nicely allocated portfolio to pay the unit holders their dues.

That is why later you'd notice Pub - Mut introduced the 90 days waiting period or 0.75% admin fee   penalty fee ruling to curb these speculative behavior.

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p/s If these type of behavior are left unchecked, we may perhaps see FSM impose similar measure to curb these risky behavior?
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This is spoit by FSM. Originally, these funds have 5% redemption fees for 5 years ( each year reduce 1%) and it is still in the fund data sheets ( one of those ). But FSM somehow managed to change it to 0% fees.

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post Jul 15 2017, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 15 2017, 10:36 AM)
at 9.5% ROI ...if it just bought into it in 3rd week of JUne...will it affect your fund size compilation ?
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9.5% ROI likely because it was not a lump sum investment. If lump sum it would be at least 20% ROI. Or he entered late.

Don't understand the second part, fund size compilation was not a compilation. It's obtained from bloomberg. Dana safi is 15mil+ fund size now. So it still takes a number of cats to make up the total sum.

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post Jul 15 2017, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 15 2017, 10:48 AM)
ooops not compilation I meant....it was like you mentioned....trying to determine how many cats are there in the fund biggrin.gif

btw, from his postings, do you think it is a DCA?
he did mentioned bought a chuck, he is a sifu, he gives the 3 scenarios.....
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I am bit confused by the screenshot. In my FSM mobile, it does not list fund return in this manner.
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post Jul 15 2017, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jul 15 2017, 10:34 AM)
nah fsm would love these guys. SC alone is a huge profit. they won't be worried about fund performance as they are a platform. it's the fund houses that will impose rulings for sure but till then good luck to those holding Interpac
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FSM is the culprit here. I know the other distributor they mention to me the 5% redemption fees mentioned in one of those Interpac documents is still applicable, ie the fund house has the right to impose the redemption fees.
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post Jul 15 2017, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Jul 15 2017, 12:36 PM)
Is the 0% redemption charge still on offer by FSM?
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Well, everyone is investing based on this understanding of 0% redemption and many have sold, I don't think there is ever any redemption fees charged !

While talking about redemption, is FSM platform equipped with the capability to implement proper redemption charge ?

We know investors invest into a fund at different time. So to properly calculate redemption charge, the platform has to track each transactions its duration. Such investment transaction is not even transferred to the Interpac fund house.

So even if Interpac wants to charge redemption fees, they have to depend on FSM platform to calculate it.

In case people again misconstrue this as an angry statement, oh no, please lar, I am trying to state what I understood as facts here, as I would always like to.

And I am not stating my emotion. This is not a complaint, a grumble or whatever emotional statement.

Emotionally, a zero redemption fees is of course a welcome feature for traders. I also perform trading at times when I deem it right. thumbup.gif
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post Jul 15 2017, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 15 2017, 02:05 PM)
AMreit > Ambond > India, will get credit point?
India > Reit will save on SC
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He is saying Amreit->Ambond->manulife bond->Manulife reit.
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post Jul 15 2017, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(funnyface @ Jul 15 2017, 02:09 PM)
I thought there is a switching fee of RM25 from Manulife India to Manulife REIT  hmm.gif
So unless your topup is few K, else the RM25 switching fee is probably higher  sweat.gif
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That's often waived. People's explanation is that Manulife waive that for x number of time per year.
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post Jul 15 2017, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 15 2017, 02:11 PM)
hmm.gif with that, will get credit point but pay higher SC?
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Well, FSM's credit is calculated before the actual transaction.

So sometimes it gets in a situation due to credit point marginally fall below the needed credit to offset the SC, then you end up paying full SC ! Warning warning warning !

If the funds drop in price when you switch it out, then the credit point earned might be just enough to perform a zero charge switching.

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post Jul 15 2017, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 15 2017, 02:27 PM)
gee,....no mentioned here wor....

anyway....it will be about 10% of my port so definitely > RM25 in saving of they really charge that
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People have done it via FSM they noticed that it was not charged.

Then they dig into manulife documents it seem to say for online ones, x-number of switch per year is waived.

But then, does manulife even track the investor name when it comes to nominee account intra fund switching ?
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post Jul 15 2017, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Jul 15 2017, 03:07 PM)
So no sales charge & also no redemption charge for interpac fund?
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And top performing and top sales volume.

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post Jul 15 2017, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(fense @ Jul 15 2017, 06:11 PM)
May I ask, is that scope of your working included reply in LYN?
since you are unnamed, even want to give good feedback for you also can not.
haha.
but u really helpful rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
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I believe there are a number of the posters here are FSM staff. Not one, a number.

Maybe for legal purposes maybe they prefer not to be treated at FSM staff. But draw picture dont have to draw intestine lar. wink.gif
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post Jul 16 2017, 09:03 AM

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Actually the maximum exposure can be contained if people are willing to put in effort, eg monitor it daily.

Just like money game, people know there is huge risk, yet they go in.

For money game people risk losing everything. This Interpac thingie the risk is even better, if one checks daily, the maximum is contained.

Suggestion of what to check :-

1. Check fund size daily. Monitor big drop.
2. Check Nav daily and perhaps action when there is consequtive drops for 2 days. Or too big a single day also warrant an action.

One might trigger false alarm and sell too early. But what is the problem? Can always come back again, its 0% SC and 0% redemption. devil.gif

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post Jul 17 2017, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 17 2017, 08:13 AM)
Valid point..
So when can we expect the next crisis to happen??
Any hint to share...

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He indicated that he has slowed down. Meaning he is expecting it to be anytime now, upper range maybe upto 1 or 2 years later. He isn't able to give a fixed date but maybe he has a range. devil.gif
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post Jul 17 2017, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 17 2017, 09:30 AM)
Hmm got range???
Next years after GE devil.gif or the year after.. Since people say 10year cycle is coming to end tongue.gif

Btw u keep mention "He"?? Not female huh???
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Yeah internet lar he can be he or she. Like your case, with a nice sexy lady avatar, i also dont know talking to he or she.

Anyway Mnet can elaborate or clarify. I am just keh poh here. :grin:
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post Jul 17 2017, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(akping_1 @ Jul 17 2017, 07:49 PM)
From the ROI look nice up to 9%, but we all dunno what is the interest rate he get from bank, if 6% then the actual return is 3% for the cat...
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His ROI on the fund thus far is 9%, that had been discussed. Mostly likely it is due to a recent huge chunk of top up, which brought down the ROI.

Likely it was injected in June, assuming the Interpac continue to perform, his return will very quickily go above 20%. That could easily fund the loan and make a handsome return.

Again, I am not advocating anything but just that it is not correct to treat the 9% return as an annual return.
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post Jul 18 2017, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 18 2017, 10:33 AM)
For shiok sendiri... when jocks show their high IRR, it gives them a hard-on and bragging right.

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One of the aunties here is a stronger promoter of IRR wor. innocent.gif
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post Jul 18 2017, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jul 18 2017, 01:53 PM)
Wah, so the respected crystal ball is not on friend friend term with the cat? Your big fan chiro would be so devastated

I'm just not a big fan of market timing. Especially when there's no real track record, if I must choose, I think guy3288 do a better job, at least he has >3 years track record to show. Sure, one can do what they like if they think they can stomach the risk. I just want to highlight to others reading this that, is that the amount of risk you can stomach, especially when we talk about potentially losing borrowed money not even your own hard earned money. And it's certainly not taking no risk.

In investments, we need to take risk, but we must first know how much risk we are willing to take
IRR helps you to make informed decisions. CAGR and ROI is ok if you do lumpsum, but when you have regular/irregular injections, your CAGR or ROI would not mean much when compared against other investment vehicles.

I'm not forcing other ppl to use. It seems most ppl here even when spoonfed with a nicely done up spreadsheet find it too much of a hassle. I'm just telling you what you are missing out. If that's too much truth to handle, I have nothing else to say  doh.gif
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There is only one typo there maybe you want to correct, otherwise it does not make sense.

not ---> now

guy3288 was doing it as a lower scale. I did not hear him borrowing money to invest in UT. Maybe the previous guy3288 is now evolved into HahaCat ? LOL.

I give it a pass on the IRR discussion.
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post Jul 18 2017, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 18 2017, 04:37 PM)
song boh? Happy right?
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Eastspring Dinasti is now better risk reward ratio than Cimb greater china.

But yet Cimb is given promo and not Eastspring.

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