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puchongite
post Apr 8 2017, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Apr 7 2017, 05:57 PM)
Idea Of The Week: Soft Closure Of Funds [07 April 2017]
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What is ur guy opinion?... hmm.gif
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Do we go back to find out what is the reason why a fund manager is soft closing his or her fund ?

My guess is this :- the fund manager is finding himself in a situation where he has too much cash but the market under the mandate of the fund is becoming 'fully harvested'. Whatever he finds it worth investing he has already invested. What's leftover are less worth investing. That's why he will have too much cash.

So when the fund is soft closed, if we put further cash into other funds playing in the same market, isn't it mean that the fund manager will be using your money to push into the over invested market ?


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post Apr 8 2017, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Apr 8 2017, 02:24 PM)
my take on soft closing. it's to prevent the entire unit trust from turning into a pyramid scheme. I know you are going wtf is he talking about. essentially if you view pyramid scheme and unit trust at its basic structure is that many investors are channeling /pooling their cash together to have the same goal to generate returns.

now what's to stop a fund manager from considering incoming funds from new investors as returns? hence the difference with unit trust and pyramid schemes

Amanah Saham is one that never closes their funds hence why it is open for deceivement
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Assuming there is a valid reason why a fund is soft closing, and now investors are finding all means to put money into the replacement funds playing in the same market, is it a wise move ? Die die must invest into that market ?
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post Apr 8 2017, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 8 2017, 03:00 PM)
Please. Unit close is not because of ponzi. Ponzi scheme is paying the previous owner with new owner money. Amanah saham never close because it's a political fund. They cannot close. Also, they don't chase returns but keep the returns fixed. Hence they don't really need high returns.
Yes. If the fund is good and is closing and there is no alternative, I will dump more money inside. If I can find alternative, I wouldn't even be bothered.

Note: I am not putting any additional money in Eastspring smallcap.
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All funds would naturally welcome more investors. More people buying their funds, more money the fund manager and the company will make. Now the fund manager is against the principle of making more money and yet want to soft close the fund. He has a message to tell.

Let assume that he has a valid and positive reason for his investors.

Now the fund is finally soft closed. And so we channel the money into replacement funds ? Isn't that ignoring the message of the soft closed fund manager ?

This post has been edited by puchongite: Apr 8 2017, 03:24 PM
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post Apr 10 2017, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Zero Correlation @ Apr 10 2017, 11:07 AM)
Can I be so cheeky to ask you to use search function?  whistling.gif

Now run far far away before being whacked  tongue.gif

p/s: Read this for context.
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...pril-2017--8175
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The article mentioned that the interpac fund manager Lim Tze Cheng was from RHB. Anyone knows what funds were under his care when he was with RHB ?
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post Apr 10 2017, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 10 2017, 04:59 PM)
not ok! Lau Sai fund! Suxs fund! Go to Holland fund!

if betul-betul must buy Bolehland because you are patroitic and "I  wub.gif PM" type... then there can only be one:

Lee Sook Yee  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif UTF!
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KGF is position 23th in YTD return.

Interpac is position 2 and 3 in YTD return.

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post Apr 10 2017, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 10 2017, 09:40 PM)
few days ago, some forummers were grumbling about error made by FSM MY about the fund size value....
just saw this at Morningstar....
do yo thing there is an error?.....if this error is valid, then I think this is much worst for it plays with ROI...
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Haha I treated that as error and so Interpac funds ended in 2 and 3 positions.
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post Apr 11 2017, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Apr 11 2017, 08:17 AM)
support this point. RHB smart series last year. took a beating after their main man left. maybe not fund manager but someone higher but still. i guess the effects are similar?
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So how many people from RHB left the company ? And where have they gone to ? Any has the chronology ?
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post Apr 11 2017, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 11 2017, 11:02 AM)
Is the local fm anywhere near those that you mentioned in terms of expertise n wisdom?
If the doctor that you trusted all tis while is no more there...will you still go to seek medical help?

Not everyone will do what wb says...for the wise would evaluate the rational of what wb said...it could be for his berkshire's benefits only
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Yes there is certain amount of similarity here, fund manager vs specialist doctors.

At least I know there are people who go to a hospital because of the named specialist. If the specialist move to other hospitals, they follow him. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 11 2017, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 11 2017, 10:55 AM)
Once upon a time a little boy named Xuzen Jr also used one year data to make decision for his unit trust investment.

Little Xuzen Jr, see China was doing great and hence he also sai-lang into China fund. China tank, he got burned. Xuzen Jr is now wiser, become Xuzen Sr.

To use one year data is risky....

Use three years data for better sleep at night!

Xuzen Jr   Sr

p/s Unless you are feelin' lucky, punk....
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Yeah less than three year data is risky.

I think people who buy the Interpac funds are taking a gambling bet, because the outstanding performance of the funds happen to coincident with the time when the fund manager joined the company end of last year.




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post Apr 11 2017, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 11 2017, 02:48 PM)
Again, despite saying all the time, UTF is not a good tool for speculation, many still think otherwise. I am not saying speculation is no good, all I am saying is UTF is not a good tool for speculation. If you want speculation, play penny stock or warrants.

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But ...... aren't you using old and outdated data to speculate about the performance of the funds ? devil.gif


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post Apr 12 2017, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Apr 12 2017, 12:05 PM)
Can you share your thinking/reason for the 35% allocation to CMF?
Thanks  notworthy.gif
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He might be waiting for the big drops and then go for the kill and win big time. LOL.
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post Apr 13 2017, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Apr 13 2017, 06:27 AM)
So Trump apparently complained that the dollar is too strong and that he prefers a softer dollar and wants the fed to keep rates low.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/12/news/econo...nald-trump-wsj/
Might be a good time for those that want to get into either RHB's Gold and General Funds / AmPrecious Metals
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Please perform leadership by example ? wink.gif
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post Apr 13 2017, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Apr 13 2017, 08:22 AM)
You mean to show my portfolio issit ? I just switched 50% of my stake from Malice's US Fund on Monday and switched it to RHB's Gold and General Fund.

I'll post a snap shot my updated portfolio here once my RHB Gold and General Fund is reflected in my holdings just in case some don't believe  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Wow respect respect. notworthy.gif

You switched directly from equity to equity or you go through intermediary bond funds ?
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post Apr 13 2017, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Apr 13 2017, 02:05 PM)
Buy Gold. Buy Yen.
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Again, did you practice leadership by example ? laugh.gif
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post Apr 13 2017, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Apr 13 2017, 02:21 PM)
Lol man, you're going to be asking everyone that issit ?
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That's the only way to find out if he really means it, or just as a bait post. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 13 2017, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 13 2017, 06:37 PM)
2:5 | For every 5 units of the fund held, 2 additional units will be issued to unit holder
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5 units become 7 units, so new nav = 5/7 old nav = 5/7 * .9329 = .6663

Updated nav on web site is .6657.

So the actual nav drop was 0.09%.
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post Apr 13 2017, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 13 2017, 09:03 PM)
so, after dilution, can I top up ? or better watch and see.

my profit dropped -25% already.

can advise me what to do next ?
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You know the profit drop of -25% isn't real drop. The units will be credited back later.

As for top up, that's a totally independent question. The world is now in geopolitical tension. It might last for sometime. In the meantime stock prices are on the dropping. Now everybody is just cautiously watching ....
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post Apr 14 2017, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 14 2017, 10:47 AM)
Who knows. I cannot find anything on FSM MY site regarding cash account and the interest.
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I am totally confused but to make sure I look a bit smart, so I have been keeping quiet. rclxm9.gif

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post Apr 14 2017, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(more2teayap @ Apr 14 2017, 11:07 AM)
If not mistaken, based on HK FSM description cash account seems to be like a cash vault, you can take out and put in money anytime, probably balance will reflect more quicker after you feed in the money.

CMF you still need to go through the buy and sell process if you wanna put in or take out money, more time consuming i guess biggrin.gif
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And the further difference is one is able to gain ( or loss) due to price changes, and one is flat ?
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post Apr 14 2017, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Apr 14 2017, 11:27 AM)
Hopefully the cash account can store SGD currency,
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But if the prices of whatever funds and bonds are already ringgit based, what's the point of holding the currency in SGD in static value ?

I think Bank Negara will probably also make noise about doing purchases in foreign currencies.

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