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 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post Apr 18 2017, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Apr 18 2017, 08:06 AM)
I did not follow ....was just asking....
does a major part of that fund performance caused by the MYR depreciation of the last few years?
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So do I, this fund not under my radar since Masta Ramjade recommend was interested to zoom into it and seek for other Masta review.

as quoted by Masta Ramjade "Where can you find bond fund which give you annualised 3 years return of 13.16% at volatility 5.95. It's closest competitor was United Asian Bond at 7.38 % and volatility of 5.62. When you compare it in terms of 1 year, 2 years, 3 years United Asian HY Bond beats United Asian Bond hands down."
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post Apr 18 2017, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 18 2017, 08:16 AM)
yes,...depends on individuals.....
like your example....I do that too,...I eat at mamak stalls next door bcos I got not more money after I paid for the hotel stay..... biggrin.gif
like your example....do you park free at the hotel which you don't stay but eat outside?.....like Yklooi story about using Tesco facilities but not buying from Tesco...?

yes...it depends on individuals.....
the world is like that,...for some things/incidents, if you don't take, some one else would.....

but just don't do it in front of our children.....
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rclxms.gif thumbup.gif This is why this thread is fun and nice to spend your time to read for. there are lots of different characteristic of investor and ideas can refer to
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post Apr 18 2017, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 08:44 AM)
Thanks. Finally someone who appreciate what I write.
He does not have it. My guess is he will say stay with selina/affin hwang select bond fund. Jgn pandai2 beli high risk fund.
Yes that's true. But now that ringgit is "pegged" against the USD I don't a repeat of performance. sad.gif

But if you look at that united fund performance purely from SGD point of view (our only info) for 3 years, that performance is impresaive.

yklooi happens at my place. biggrin.gif Tesco is there. All shoplots building also there. All office people park their car at tesco sheltered car park. If park outside in hot sun, kena put 50c coupon/hour. If one works from 9-5, 8hrs x 50c = RM4/day x 20 days = RM80 gone.

The question is do you want to save RM80/month and park under the shade or park outside in the hot sun? Is RM80/month a moral issue when your whole office people park in tesco, and there are still plenty of parking space for shoppers? (this is a true story - all office people park in tesco but the tesco at my place still have lots of space). Anyway I can cut cost, I will take it. RM80 save = RM960/year. That 50c doesn't look so small anymore is it devil.gif

Let me give you another eg. If you have to IBG 10 people a month, what do you do? Do it and pay RM1.10?
RM1.10 x 12 = RM13.20

Or you just IBG once to a bank account which give free IBG and IBFT and pay only RM0.11/month. Total for the year RM1.32. RM0.11 doesn't look so small anymore right? devil.gif

Total savings = 90%

Anyway ini sudah OT.
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Ramjade when got people asking you is appreciate your view and writting already. nah I give you thumbsup.gif satisfy mou ?

United Asian HY is Fixed Income still label as high risk ?

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post Apr 18 2017, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 08:54 AM)
Of course it's high risk. It invest in junk bonds. Bonds with high return rate in exchange for maybe it can default. The higher the return of the bond, the more likely it's going to default. However based on FSM SG screening, it's among the low volatility high yield bond fund which makes it a good buy.

That's why it's categorize as wholesale funds. In SG it's not. Everyone can buy. Maybe because their financial literacy is higher than ours? hmm.gif
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What is your message here ? this fund categorize as wholesale fund in SG / In SG it's not everyone can buy / Everyone can buy in SG ?
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post Apr 18 2017, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(ChipZ @ Apr 18 2017, 09:11 AM)
I am new to FSM, but I bought CIMB Principal Global Titans Fund last month and it seems to be performing badly. Any comment on this UT?
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Are u new to FSM / new to UT ? If you giving 1 month time frame for a fund to perform that would be unfair. try hold it a little longer you'll see the result. I'm holding this fund one of the best performing fund. of course I invest more when there is bargain sale / VCA

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post Apr 18 2017, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 09:30 AM)
It's wholesale fund in malaysia. Just accept FSM TnC before they let you buy. Wholesale in malaysia means for hnwi. You don't need to hnwi if you want to buy. Just agreee only.
It's open to everyone in SG. Anyone in SG can buy the fund at SGD1k. No need to agreee to any TnC. Read carefully doh.gif

Don't buy because I said it's a good fund. For you know I can be con man.[COLOR=red]

Just discuss here. It's still UT. Just different platform only what. Who want to buy from eUT,  let them buy lo. Who wants to buy from FSM buy from FSM. No one is holding a gun to yohr head saying must buy from only FSM/eUT.
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doh.gif who say buy because of you say good doh.gif you not yet that influential la doh.gif I'm asking other masta point of view. anyway thanks for your input and effort though icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 18 2017, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 18 2017, 02:31 PM)
Lol its getting chaotic here.

Same to my thread. Lol
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Well isn't it fun, we can listen to different point of view from different group / type of investor.
Strategist Investor vs Calculative Investor
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post Apr 18 2017, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 18 2017, 04:17 PM)
What is my view? I have no view as I do not participate in it. But to answer it objectively:

United Asian High Yield - MYR has only one year historical data, that is, 22.38% p.a.

United Asian High Yield - SGD one year return is 11.07%

One year ago, One SGD = MYR 2.8715; Today the rate is One SGD = MYR 3.1538

Let us assume you put in One thousand SGD in United High Yield - SGD one year ago, today, your value will be SGD 1,110.70. This value when converted to MYR as of today value is SGD 1,110.70 x 3.1538 = MYR 3,502.96

One year ago, you put in MYR 2,871.50 (equivalent to one thousand SGD) into United High Yield - MYR, today you will get MYR 3,514.14.

From this you see the difference, when adjusted for forex, the real return is lebih-kurang sahaja.

Hence the difference in the ROI is due to the forex factor. Hence if you go to SG and buy the United HYF or buy from Malaysia not much difference

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On to my next writing, generally when I write, I have in my mind a set of target audience that is the retail segment. The regular Joe and average investor. Hence I do not study nor give views on UTF that are targeted at "sophisticated investor" nor wholesale fund nor UTF for HNWI. These group usually have their own advisors already, no need to read nor listen to us bunch of amateur / ikan-bilis investor.

Unlike someone else, on one hand claim to be a student just graduated, but can participate in UTF that are targeted at "sophisticated investor" or with high entrance value. Either he does not hold that UTF in question, or he is not who he claim to be. Either way, he is a faker or poser. Take his advise with a bucketful of salt!
 
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Appreciate your advise TQ thumbsup.gif



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post Apr 18 2017, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 18 2017, 04:56 PM)
Actually many FSM spies here. After he showed that much of info, his identity will soon be fully revealed. brows.gif
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 18 2017, 05:05 PM)
Don't think so. Just do a search on people invest 10k in United Asia HY Fund that will immediately remove 95% of subscribers, and the rest .... piece of cake !  brows.gif
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Interesting try crack the code then brows.gif

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post Apr 18 2017, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 05:07 PM)
Fsm spies so what. They know how much every one got. Believe me, they see my portfolio, they muntah  puke.gif Why? Ini budak miskin  vs all the unker aunites holding platinum status. I tak da status pun. sad.gif
Bank also know how much you have la.  doh.gif
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got status FSM member. you can become silver member just add up another few K only. but since you are going to move to FSM SG status not important just the 0.25% SC lesser.
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post Apr 18 2017, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 18 2017, 05:45 PM)
Aiyaya you misunderstand lar.

FSM staff lar.

They have access to the database anyway !
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Aiyoyo.

QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Apr 18 2017, 08:01 PM)
You've probably just scared the shit off him lol. Dude might be having sleepless nights hahah.

The way for a FSM representative to identify "Ramjade" would be first to look for clients with an investment of RM10K with United Nation High Yield Bond, followed by those with returns of 4.06% and 6.76% in AmAsia Pacific Rates and Manulife Investment Reits.

If the staffs of FSM are too busy to identify him, i could volunteer to help them to track him down as long as I'm given access to their database brows.gif  brows.gif
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why target him ? no wonder Ramjade reluctant to share his investment portfolio.

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Apr 18 2017, 05:45 PM)
Aiyaya you misunderstand lar.

FSM staff lar.

They have access to the database anyway !
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post Apr 18 2017, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Apr 18 2017, 08:04 PM)
WTF lol, you can't blame him for using an outdated OS. His probably trying to keep cost low bro.

Got to save those unnecessary upgrades bruce.gif  sweat.gif

Imagine spending over RM200++ on each time microsoft releases a new OS. whistling.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
Anway, Ramjade, i was just joking man. Feeling really pissed and decided to pull your leg a little haha
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Like that use Open Source lor like Ubuntu similar to windows platform.

OT abit, this shown that typical human being when you keep complain current platform no good la this and that blah blah blah and compliment another alternative much better but than you still stick to it. FSM not cheap enough eUT always have MEGAsales. Microsoft expensive Open Source FOC. yet still using MS OS to invest using FSM platform. smile.gif

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post Apr 19 2017, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Apr 19 2017, 09:20 AM)
hi... I'm new to FSM. I wonder, is FSM the best platform for UT?? I googled but it seems there are also POEMS and DollarDex. Which is better?

and if I sign up for FSM (M'sia), can I invest in UT based in Singapore??
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no fund house / platform claim to be best platform for UT investment.
just my curiosity you lowyating found both POEMS & DollarDex or Googling found both POEMS & DollarDex ?
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QUOTE(hua91 @ Apr 19 2017, 11:56 AM)
Hi all the sifu. Good morning. This is going to be my first post here.
Firstly may i ask about the credibility of FSM ? I have been putting some money here since 2012, but feeling skeptical to put more as it's an online platform... Used to invest with banks and public mutual in person...

I am currently still investing with bank and Public Mutual but i really dislike their high sales charge and constantly changing of bank staffs.
Hoping to hear some testimonials from everyone before i switch all my hard earned money to FSM. Is there any link from authority saying that this platform is safe ?

I've tried to search for Fundsupermart at BNM and SC site before asking this question.

Thank you very much !

Regards.
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Read thoroughly 1 page of each thread of FSM and FSM Q & A. perhaps you should join their workshop. I'd been migrating slowly and eventually switch all my investment from Prudential (now Eastspring Investment) & Public Mutual same like you become FSM member late 2012 averaging IRR doubling from hovering around 6% to above 15% since in FSM platform. testimonial had been able to withdrawing monies.

transfer in your PM fund with switching to fund available in FSM entitle 0% SC

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QUOTE(hua91 @ Apr 19 2017, 01:35 PM)
Thanks for the reply.

I'm still waiting my Regular Savings Fund to break even even i have invested it few years ago. Quite disappointed with it as my other Malaysia fund already giving me ok return, but this regular saving fund is not performing at all.

By the way, you mean we are able to switch our public mutual fund to FSM ? 0%? I searched the website but i don't see any forms to transfer from Public Mutual to FSM... Other fund house yes...

I must have missed something.. do you mind to enlighten me ?

Thanks!

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Actually is transfer in process, you need to repurchase your PM fund email the transaction receipt to CIS, then you may received their reply entitle for 0% SC for how much you entitle.

In short sell your PM Fund and Buy In FSM platform with 0% SC need to inform CIS they will system adjust now, previously they can only do backend adjustment now system enhancement dy, how much you sale for PM is how much you entitle in 0% SC.

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QUOTE(tensixteen @ Apr 19 2017, 01:50 PM)
Here's some info from FSM on transferring in :-

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/buysell/transferIn.tpl?
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/faq.svdo?id=7922

Please note though that the whole transferring IN process might take between 2 - 4 weeks or more if docs are not received in order.
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well as long as your documentation complete and accordingly won't be any issue. as from my experience of transfer-in process after received transaction doc from previous FH, mail to CIS reply and buy less than 3 days overall process.

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post Apr 19 2017, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(hua91 @ Apr 19 2017, 02:17 PM)
Dear all, thanks for the response. Didn't expect so many would answer to my post.

Fyi i have invested for around 4 years, not sure exactly how long already. From the statement i can see that i am still losing around 5% (included sales charge).

I was advised to keep it, as it would be very "sayang" since I've already held it for few years, and Malaysia market is recovering, somemore I can keep it there to enjoy the next distribution​. Asked some experienced bankers and they gave me the same advises.

Any advise from sifu here ? After listened to that I'm hesitating should i wait for it to break even first, or should i cut it and invest in Fsm?
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Income Distribution / Dividend in UT meaningless, it's left pocket out right pocket in.
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QUOTE(kukuray @ Apr 19 2017, 03:27 PM)
its all about timing and market performance.
for eg. KGF  if u enter before feb you already gets 12% now
and also advice from sifu here.....
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QUOTE(MUM @ Apr 19 2017, 03:33 PM)
me too....seriously?

can recall which SIFUS here advise "timing" the mkts...
any idea why February 2017 was the "RIGHT" time to go in?

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Indeed if you happen to invest in Jan 2017 you are getting around 12% return. but I am not timing the market la just happen to be DCA and sold off yesterday at 1.399 (3 years NAV high) if not mistaken.

you should use the correct term invest not by timing the market.
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QUOTE(kukuray @ Apr 19 2017, 03:36 PM)
my sifu told me buy everything when market is bad. remember when our currency drop til 4.5 on feb? thats the best time u buy shares and ut
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what have you buy in FEB ?

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