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post Jun 21 2018, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(FreedomDream @ Jun 21 2018, 07:34 PM)
Hi, newbie here. Anyone can enlighten me on what is regular saving plan in fund supermart?
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It is an automatic monthly deduction from your bank account or cash management fund to invest in UT. The benefit is that it forces you to save and to follow the DCA principle

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post Jun 22 2018, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(ViNC3 @ Jun 22 2018, 09:37 AM)
This is not DCA, your explanation is misleading. shakehead.gif

Modified for adding explanation:-
If you have RM30K, you don't buy RM30k into on Fund, and not even RM10K in one go.

By using DCA method, you spread out, (buy RM500 every week, or RM1K every week, or RM3k every month for the duration of 10 months etc.)
The more your investment spread with smaller amount by different timing, the better.
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Where does any source tells you the exactly that you must spread out weekly to do DCA or for that matter monthly to reduce the chances of us buying at the peak. DCA just tells us to spread our investments, no? Ofc the more spread out the purcahse of UT the better but investors have to weigh practicality vs the benefits of DCA. Another thing is that if the period is too short, the price differences may not be significant enough.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dollarcostaveraging.asp

It also doesn't mean DCA must be RSP.

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post Jun 22 2018, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(ableze_joepardy @ Jun 22 2018, 02:14 AM)
Hi,

Basically im actively siphoning out my epf fund every quarter. Of course im aiming for better return than epf but also to get the eggs scattered around in all baskets.

Previous few quarter, i vested heavily in china & asia exjapan but with current condition, i think its not a good time to go yet. Hence come the option to go for bond. The original plan is to park out my money from epf and switch to equity when things settled down and recovered. But thinking back, its pretty useless as fund from epf cannot switch directly but need to go back into epf.

So now most probably im going into AHB as this baskets provides pretty stable dividen so far (3.1% bi annum). It would not beat epf so much but at least im able to spread my momey around.
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One thing our epf is really Malaysia boleh. it is one of the best balanced funds in the world with low volatility (guaranteed min 2.5%). Why would you want to go for AHB? One reason EPF is able to do so well, is because it owns certain favourable assets eg Plus highway and is well managed.

Dont worry about EPF, our Finance minister has revealed all the big corrupt cases. Is there any bad news on epf?

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post Jun 23 2018, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jun 22 2018, 10:10 AM)
RSP WORKS, BUT UN-INVESTED FUNDS ENTAIL HIGH OPPORTUNITY COST

Our simple study on historical DCA returns over the past 100 years suggests that a regular saving plan (RSP) is a good approach to building up a long-term investment portfolio, especially when the plan spans a longer period of time. From our perspective, RSPs are highly suited for investors who have little starting capital, bringing about the benefit of maintaining a disciplined saving approach, as well as continuous participation in the market.

While an RSP has its benefits, we still maintain that investors who have a larger sum for investment should put their money to work sooner rather than later; this would entail a “lump sum” investment rather than spacing out the investment via an RSP. The key reason for this is the high opportunity cost of un-invested funds, which can make a significant difference to investment returns, especially over the long term. 

IMPLICATIONS FOR INVESTORS
Nevertheless, investors should note that an RSP may not be the most suitable approach for their investment requirements if they have a larger sum of capital to begin investing with.
For such investors, a suitable portfolio allocation should be decided upon based on risk and return considerations, and funds allocated in a “lump sum” approach rather than via an RSP.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=2069
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I disagree with the article on lump sum approach. The benefit of DCA is when there is a downward trend or when there is high volatility. One reduce the risk of buying at the peak. One good example is now. Imagine if i had the lump sum and bought UT in early feb when the price is at its peak. I would be very sad 😭.

Best is to split and spread the lump sum and buy periodically. One can still put it in money market funds and earn that 3.45% while DCA away at investing at UT.


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post Jun 23 2018, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jun 22 2018, 06:53 AM)
hmm.gif regarding this...I think if that basket (EPF) were to drops......what ever money siphoned out from that basket prior to that drops would have minimum impact to my net worth....
for most of my money is in that basket (30% on what ever exceeded the minimum sum = not much in relation to the sum in that basket) .... I personally think it would not make a good argument about not putting all eggs in a basket.
further more if that basket were to drops....I think probably all EPF approved UTs would be impacted also ...can run but cannot escape.....
with that, I did not use my EPF for investment......
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Exactly my thoughts too
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post Jun 28 2018, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(diversity @ Jun 28 2018, 03:42 PM)
lets say if I put 1K cash today. The profits is it like monthly like FD?
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Lets take the RHB cash management fund 2 at Fundsupermart. The interest returns are accrued daily. Because this money market funds invest in "predominantly assets in Malaysian Ringgit deposits (not more than 365 days) with financial institutions in Malaysia" meaning fixed deposits, it is relatively low risk.

It may not match some FD rates like 4.1-4.25% of certain banks but given that it is fairly liquid in getting back the money in +2 business days. It also has the advantage of not losing some portion of my interest if I want to withdraw early unlike FD. The current rate of RHB cash management fund 2 is about 3.45%.

Another positive, is that there is less requirements than FD. It only requires min RM500 to invest and RM100 for subsequent investments. Some FD requires some min amount before getting a good rate.

Honestly, I put part of my emergency savings into this.

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post Jun 28 2018, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(diversity @ Jun 28 2018, 05:12 PM)
very very good explanation! thanks so much. Will place some of my excess funds into it rather than just sitting at my regular savings account. Amount not big enough for FD.

For UT are the returns daily or monthly?
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For UT funds, the returns you get is from the upward movement in nav prices. NAV = net assest value of the UT fund. But Nav prices can also go down or remain almost the same also.

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post Jun 29 2018, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(diversity @ Jun 29 2018, 07:58 AM)
means it is like trading in stocks? whereby one needs to contemplate when to enter and when to exit? ohmy.gif
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UT equity funds are a basket of stocks. So basically, UT characteristics are similar to stocks. Have a read at this to decide whether UT equity funds is for you

https://www.imoney.my/articles/unit-trust-funds-investment

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post Jul 9 2018, 08:35 PM

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I wonder how is the FSM managed portfolio performance?
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post Aug 3 2018, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 3 2018, 08:13 PM)
yea. I checked too.

rhb bond got. and wth I kena...

of all funds.... I kena..... silly me....

amdynamic also got.
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How much they charge you for rhb bond and amdynamic? After 1 year, you are not charge any redemption fee for rhb bond, I think
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post Aug 15 2018, 10:33 AM

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For those using FSM managed portfolio, do you have to pay switching fee whenever the managed port switches your UT say from Asia to US equity funds?
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post Aug 18 2018, 06:52 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 18 2018, 06:45 AM)
BIMB Global Dividend I Fund.

one of the pioneer fund in Malaysia use robo algorithm.

outperform united globe in latest 3 months
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Too early to tell. And dividends funds in general tend to outperform during crisis like this.
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post Aug 18 2018, 08:33 AM

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Thanks I will explore this fund further
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post Aug 19 2018, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(monkeyrangers @ Aug 19 2018, 10:12 AM)
invested every month since early this year and i'm still down 5% =_=
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Bad year for equity because of the trade wars. Fixed income unit trusts like Malaysian bond or money market funds are giving like 3.4-4.5% returns. Depends on your time horizon and risk appetite. Maybe you need to put a % into these funds?
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Am I correct in saying this, the reason why global stocks like United global, ta Global technology, etc are doing well is that these stocks are weighted heavily in the US. And the US stocks are doing the best compared with other stocks around the world.

Last year China stocks are going bananas up but thanks to you know who, this year all the Asian stocks including China are in a whirlwind.

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post Aug 20 2018, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ Aug 20 2018, 05:16 PM)
Lose money sakit mah.

I wouldn't mind if it's like RM50 or something that I'm losing.
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Is this just paper loss? You only suffer realised losses when you actually sell. Most non US equities are down, they will bounce back anyway.
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post Aug 23 2018, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(coolguy99 @ Aug 21 2018, 09:59 AM)
Unit trust should be long term investment as it is different from stock. As long as you have picked a good fund with good fund managers, give it some time. Don’t even have to check back that often.
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I fully agree with this statement. It is not the end of the world, if the price goes down. Think more than 5 years and think roller coaster. If you can't take 40-50% down for 2-3 years(worse case scenario), then equity UT is not for you. There are better investments out there.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 24 2018, 10:44 AM)
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50% for 2 years down.....

it's either you don't care your money, you filthy rich, or you just invest for the sake of invest.

you know now long for a super duper performing fund to climb back 30%?

or even 15%....

wa.... ini cara orang kaya main nih
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If I invest the money I am not using for 20-40 years, then does this matter? I know on AVERAGE I will get between 8-10%(or even more) per year.

I know the part of the money I am going to use, I am going to put it some where safer.

Just to give a thought on (1) how one invests in the different financial instruments and (2) the expected risk of UT.

(1) diversification and allocation according to a plan are the two very important advice I have gotten. What are the proportion of money for emergencies, short term (1-2 years), mid term (3-5), and long term (6 and over)? Allocate the money according to the correct financial instruments by the time horizon and risk one can bear.

(2) Just because UT has been doing great for the past years does not mean it will be on a straight line trajectory. I am just highlighting the worse case scenarios. Bad things can happen (eg war, regional uprising see cimb principal MENA fund, trade war, subprime etc).

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QUOTE(T231H @ Aug 24 2018, 04:46 PM)
Again, few weeks ago, there had been curses about Trump and his action...

Today FSM MY came out with this.....

"The difficult part about investing in volatile asset classes such as emerging market equities is that they can drive investors nuts with their inconsistency. On the flip side, the good part about investing in volatile asset classes is they offer plenty of buying opportunities.

Unfortunately, when markets are tanking and portfolios are bleeding, it’s always easier for investors to tell themselves it’s going to fall even further.

“I’ll just buy when I see less noises from the market, or when Trump stops his disrupting tweets…”

If history is any guide, emerging markets are rarely calm. The gains in these developing nations can be infrequent, yet large at times. The losses can be frequent and painful. Investors might not find a pleasant investment experience within the emerging equities’ landscape, ....

more at
What Happens When You Ride The Bear In Emerging Markets?
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-markets--10112
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I noticed that some of the duration is 2 years and the largest drop is 60%. I do notice the climb also. That's why I understand why many people advice me that UT is long term. One must be able to hold during the crisis period to not suffer the losses and sell when UT climbs out of the hole.

In comparison to today's trade war crisis, the fall for example emerging market index of 10-11% is very little compared with previous periods.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Aug 25 2018, 09:42 AM)
sorry sorry, paiseh paiseh.

It is a typo. Should be August instead of September.

Also, let me take this opportunity to state that currently my port has reached the desired eq to fi ratio of 70 to 30.

My non pokenon port consist of the following members:

1) TA Tech 20%

2) Eastspring Equity Income 25%

3) Selina reits at 25%

4) Anita Bond 30%

This, according to my good friend Algozen™ ver four, sits at an optimal risk to reward ratio point, only consisting of four members, unlike some professional managed account, play Pokemon style here and there.

p/s I play retail only UTF that are available in FSM universe. I am purely a retail investor who does not have access to any kind of " wholesale " fund whatsoever.

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What is selina reit? Conservertive ports with 30% bonds, 25% big caps and reits.


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