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post Feb 9 2021, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Feb 9 2021, 01:35 PM)
Aren't the whole point of investing by ourselves is to beat or at least match EPF return?
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As per image in post 26328,...at times if not lucky or not react fast enough or hesitated with the hope that it will be better next year,... For some funds they cannot beat epf.
If using epf money just think of all the accumulated cost of missed opportunity of not being on par with epf rate
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QUOTE(key91 @ Feb 9 2021, 12:44 PM)
Holding Eastspring Dinasti, Principal AP Dynamic and RHB Asian Income Fund since 4 years ago. Just invested in RHB AI and Principal Greater China in January. So, now not sure to invest in which UT. China funds seem to be like all high now.
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Your existing port already has China... Now you want to add China inside again? Is the current total accumulated % of allocation in china not enough?
Yr port did not hv us, (nasdaq you hv thru rhb AI, what abt ut funds that holds s&p 500 n DJ types of stocks)?

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post Feb 9 2021, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(ky33li @ Feb 9 2021, 06:24 PM)
thanks for highlighting....
looks likely prices not yet reflected sweat.gif sweat.gif
or will it be most probably it is NOT the same debt papers being held?

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post Feb 9 2021, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(key91 @ Feb 9 2021, 12:19 AM)
Just asking, is TA Global Tech worth to invest now?
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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 9 2021, 12:52 AM)
how many % do you want this fund to be in your portfolio?
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QUOTE(key91 @ Feb 9 2021, 12:44 PM)
Holding Eastspring Dinasti, Principal AP Dynamic and RHB Asian Income Fund since 4 years ago. Just invested in RHB AI and Principal Greater China in January. So, now not sure to invest in which UT. China funds seem to be like all high now.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Feb 9 2021, 02:58 PM)
Your existing port already has China... Now you want to add China inside again? Is the current total accumulated % of allocation in china not enough?
Yr port did not hv us, (nasdaq you hv thru rhb AI, what abt ut funds that holds s&p 500 n DJ types of stocks)?
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QUOTE(key91 @ Feb 9 2021, 08:35 PM)
Nope, I wanted to add TA Global Technology fund.
It invested mostly in US, so that’s why my first question was isit good to invest in TA Global Tech now smile.gif
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so you have Eastspring Dinasti, Principal AP Dynamic, RHB Asian Income Fund, RHB AI and Principal Greater China and fund(s) that invested mostly in US?
This fund that focused in US hold how many % in Tech sector?
mind sharing what is that US focused fund?

So, now not sure to invest in which UT?? wanted to add TA Global Technology fund or China but you deemed China is like all time high....
but, Global technology sector is not at all time high too? hmm.gif hmm.gif dilemma

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post Feb 9 2021, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(poooky @ Feb 9 2021, 09:22 PM)
Thanks for the replies everyone. However, the Fund Selector still doesn't return the intended when searching the keywords. For example, searching for 'disruption', the only funds returns are the RHB - Sustainability ones. Am I doing it wrong?
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That's a good point about balancing our own portfolio by investing in pure equities fund alongside pure bond/fi funds. I've since re-evaluated my goals and gone into Affin Hwang World Series - Global Disruptive Innovation Fund, and Affin Hwang Aiiman Asia (ex Japan) Growth Fund. I'm thinking of adding one or two more 'safe' funds, possibly the RHB China Bond Fund and/or Amanahraya Syariah Trust Fund for an 90/10 or 80/20 equities/bonds mix.

An earlier user commented that both the RHB China Bond Fund and the Amanahraya Syariah Trust Fund gave ~10% and ~4% returns respectively which seems abnormally good for bond/FI funds. What are you thoughts? would this 80/20 or 90/10 mix be a decent portfolio?

I'm looking for longer term investments possibly 5 to 10 years where I'll be making periodic deposits. Would the 80/20 portfolio be suitable?

Also when is the right time to sell? Is it safe to stay in a fund for decades/infinitely just topping up periodically without closely monitoring the market? or do we need to keep an eye on the market, and sell at the high, pocket the gains and put the rest into another fund at the low?

In this case, is it ever 'too late' to invest a fund?  for example, tech sector may be overvalued now and those investing now at the high take on more risk as the market may correct. Or maybe investing in a bond fund right before the bonds mature?

Another question, anyone can share their thoughts on diverting a portion of EPF money into a low/med risk approved fund? yes ~6% pa is good, and more fees are incurred when investing in a fund, but at the very least we get to retain some control over our EPF money, and in a way it is hedging against the possibility of EPF funds disappearing in the future because it is being used to shore up the country's financial coffers. Or is this a moot point?
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if you want you can try look at how FSM managed portfolio compose and allocate the funds...
maybe the data in their monthly portfolio updates can helps to shorten your selection and picking of funds....that are according to your desired EQ:FI ratio

try have a look?
https://www.fsmone.com.my/managed-portfolio...folio-factsheet

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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Feb 9 2021, 09:40 PM)
Bonds under performing. Even lost to money markets in recent months. sad.gif
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thumbsup.gif thanks for highlighting....as a reminder that Investment involves risk. The price of securities may go down as well as up, and under certain circumstances an investor may sustain a total or substantial loss of investment. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance of the fund.
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QUOTE(David_Yang @ Feb 9 2021, 10:05 PM)
I usually do not hold more than 5% of my portfolio in one stock. Yes, I know, many say this is TOTALLY WRONG, but I have a very diversified strategy with stocks around the world and a mix of dividend and growth stocks. My highest position in Pinduoduo (5%), but this is not because I think they are better than Alibaba and Tencent, it is because they have grown 420% already. Originally I bought less stocks from Pinduoduo compared to the two big guns.

Others between 3 and under 5% are in this order:

Taiwan Semi
BYD
Cansino (Chinese Covid 19 vaccine)
Samsung
Tencent
Porsche
Sony
Keysight Technologies
Alibaba
Geely

Actually the portfolio changed a lot the last weeks, because I sold many Covid 19 vaccination companies. So I have loads of cash now, which is also what I prefer. If the market crashes like last February and March I was able to buy like crazy.
Sure. Actually I would recommend not to start at the stock market with less than RM 100´000. Before you reach this number better stick with unit trusts. But be prepared that there will be the time when you want to take your fortune in your hand. Why? The big advantage is that you can do what you want. A unit trust is like a oil tanker, cannot move around quickly. So many interesting stocks are too small for unit trusts. And almost always have to invest 100%, because otherwise in every good year the fund would not beat the index.  When the market crashes it can do nothing except emergency selling at all cost.
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between 3 and under 5% are in this order:......that means a total of about 30~45% of your investment port is in these

Approximate share price in Apr 2020

Pinduoduo @RM200/share
Taiwan Semi @RM45/share
BYD @RM37/share
Cansino (Chinese Covid 19 vaccine) @RM73/share
Samsung @RM140/share
Tencent @RM208/share
Porsche @RM200/share
Sony @RM260/share
Keysight Technologies @RM380/share
Alibaba @RM100/share
Geely @RM6/share

unknown to the minimum lot size/unit per lot/amount one can buy ......
to have between 3~5% of each of these stocks in an investment port will means a very HUGE pot in April 2020... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

6 month later todate.....VERY VERY VERY HUGE pot thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Feb 9 2021, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(yycclin @ Feb 9 2021, 11:08 PM)
If i hold a same fund in 2 different platform with 2 different Buy NAV ( assuming units quantity is the same ) , does it make any impact which 1 to top up?
e.g      Affin Hwang Sel Asia Pac ( Ex Jap ) Bal Fund :
          FSM, buy NAV - 0.652
          Eunit, buy NAV - 0.700

  Any comment ?
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if you have RM1000 in FSM and RM1000 in Eunitrust
total Rm2000
if you top up RM200 in FSM

your total top up is still 10% of your total port folio
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post Feb 10 2021, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(yycclin @ Feb 9 2021, 11:48 PM)
So it makes no different which 1 to top up...wink.gif
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Yes, as the buying NAV will dictated by the fund house, which will be the same for both fsm n eunittrust. If all things being same, then go for the one that has lower sales charges,
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QUOTE(yycclin @ Feb 10 2021, 09:11 AM)
Good morning,

Just curious to know do you guys do a daily checking on NAVs from your port?

Do you maintain a record ( eg exel ) to do your daily/weekly/monthly planning ?

rgds.
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Yes, I do a daily records on excel
No, I don't do a daily/Weekly/monthly planning with those records
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QUOTE(no6 @ Feb 10 2021, 02:16 PM)
just wandering which ut funds is good for holding s&p 500 and DJ ?
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check the fund factsheet of those us focused funds and then see how heavy the allocation of them in relations to Nasdaq?
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QUOTE(David_Yang @ Feb 10 2021, 08:30 PM)
No need to keep it secret, in 2020 I gained RM 492878.62 smile.gif

But let´s be humble, that was not because I am such a clever boy, that was because of the ideal year that comes every 10 or 15 years and I was at the right time at the right place and prepared. And after many learning years at the stock market I made the right decisions.

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So what I want to share with you, yeah, unit trusts can do a good job for you, nowadays with the classics Ali, Tencent and Taiwan Semi all growing growing growing, even with small money you can take part. But if you want to grab the best occasions of a century at the stock market, you need to do it by yourself. That is the difference between a small sailing boat that can make a turn in a moment and the next turn a moment later, which a oil tanker obviously cannot do.
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thumbup.gif notworthy.gif wow, that is abt 100% returns of mum's earlier estimation of your portfolio value. thumbup.gif

the best ROI funds that focused in Tech like yours in FSM for 2020 is
RHB Global Artificial Intelligence Fund - MYR Hedged at 91%
United Global Technology Fund - MYR Hedged at 67%
which is much lesser that yours thumbsup.gif
and yet they are 100% focused in Tech while your is just 40~50%.

not to forget,....provided one has the firepower and the navigation knowledge like you have to start the steamboat by your self to steer the destination by yourself...
for many others that are without the firepower and the navigation knowledge one can just be the passenger of the boat and rely on the captain to take us there.

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QUOTE(george_dave91 @ Feb 11 2021, 04:08 PM)
Hi guys. I see that fsm Singapore has a fee structure that uses an overall platform fee minus the sales charge. Similar to their current fee structure for the bond funds on the fsm Malaysia platform currently. My fear is that eventually the Malaysian platform may adopt a similar fee structure too, considering the bond fund changed from upfront sales charge to platform fee couple years back. This is concerning especially in my case since I plan to invest for the long term (at least 30 years ++). Based on the math an overall platform fee will have major impact on performance compared to one that has an upfront sales charge only (even if it is 5.5%). This is so for investments that exceed 20 years. In my case I would be accumulating for 25 years before having to withdraw funds. Does anyone else feel the same? Would it be better to just DCA into normal upfront sales charge funds. Of course at present there are no platform fees for equity/balanced funds (phew). Just a concern. I guess I’m being quite paranoid about something that has not even happened yet.
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if and when that "fear" happens, you can always move to eunittrust

just don't let some feeling of paranoia about something that has not even happened yet STOP/DELAY your investment.
the longer you waited the more your money have to work to catch up.

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QUOTE(Conslow2020 @ Feb 11 2021, 06:10 PM)
Does Nav price matter in unit trust lets say i buy Ark Invest at 0.5000 for RM10000 and the other person buy ARK Invest at 0.7122 for also RM10000 do we get the same amount of share?
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2 Big Mistakes Investors Make in Unit Trust Investments [23 June 2017]
In that Idea of the Week, FSM shedder light on two old wives’ tales that may possibly cloud an investors’ decision.

UNIT TRUSTS WITH LOWER NAVS ARE BETTER BUYS

It is important for investors to understand the meaning behind the Net Asset Value (NAV) of a unit trust fund. The NAV is the value per unit of a unit trust fund on a specific date or time. The NAV per unit is computed once per day in accordance to the closing market prices of the securities in the fund’s portfolio after accounting for all expenses. Some of the common misinterpretations investors may have towards the valuation of NAV are:

1. Unit trusts that have declared dividends recently have a lower NAV, which translates into a buying opportunity;

2. Unit trusts that have high NAV are expensive to buy.

To better illustrate the case, let’s consider that there are two funds namely A and B with the same portfolio composition and the same investment strategy. The NAV of Fund A is RM 0.50/unit while that of Fund B is RM 50.00/unit. Should an investor decide to invest RM 10,000 in each of the funds, he will be allotted 20,000 units and 200 units of Fund A and Fund B respectively. Assuming both funds performed well and have managed to delivered a 20% return after a year, NAV of Fund A will grow to RM 0.60 and NAV of Fund B will be RM 60.00. Hence, the value of Fund A will be RM 12,000 (RM 0.60/unit *20,000 units) and Fund B will also be RM 12,000 (RM 60.00/unit * 200 units). Hence, from the above example it is clearly evident that the NAV does not portray a fund’s future growth potential. (see Table 1).

https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/research/ar...o=8510&isRcms=N

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QUOTE(jorgsacul @ Feb 11 2021, 11:55 PM)
Rhbam cio never think of concentrated risk. Seem like bailing out buddy
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Is this cio a working cio that worked for someone or he is the sole owner of rhbam that takes order from none?

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QUOTE(Conslow2020 @ Feb 12 2021, 11:06 AM)
At midnight drop about 2.5% now its climbing up again
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This fund is highly concentrate at a niche market...
No apparent reasons needed for the rise or falls.. Anythings/reasons can be given at any one time for that volatile NAV.
Volatility will always be there. Cannot always be up in a straight lines.
If want NAV to be always up, MMF has a better track records of achieving that.

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Feb 13 2021, 06:21 PM)
Just checked my managed portfolio, I think they just bought units in RHB i-Global Sustainable Disruptors very recently. No fact sheet as it is very new I guess. Should have similar concern?

https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/tools/facts...d?fund=MYRII006
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what managed portfolio (Aggressive or ??) are you holding that has RHB i-Global Sustainable Disruptors in it?
how many % does it has in that managed portfolio?

i am holding the Moderately Aggressive port...it is NOT holding that fund.
mine has this Affin Hwang World Series - Global Healthscience Fund - MYR Hedged at about 4% (inline with what i would have if i were to buy it DIY for my port)
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QUOTE(jorgsacul @ Feb 14 2021, 04:15 PM)
Bailout ke ?
Read last para from one of the annual report. Those have interest should enquire to regulator.
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what is the role of the trustee?
just observes, publish the findings in the reports?
the trustee does not act for the benefits of the investors?
what are the power of the trustee until the investors themselves had to go to enquire to the regulator
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just note...the fund size is just 8 million
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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Feb 14 2021, 04:30 PM)
Trustee is just to ensure that your units are there and divided properly, net asset value is declared correctly. It also states the trustees already note the exceedingly high allocation towards the MEX bonds which are in violation of the fund manager's mandate. You can't call the cops on this but I suppose some authorities should be looking at this and ensure civil and criminal elements of cbt are not present.
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it just published in the reports what was observed ....
how long will this violation be allowed to be carried on?...anyone can share?
does the trustee has the power to take 'stronger" action instead of just publish the "violations"?
will just having done the publishing it for others to see,...it will "hand off" and deemed not their problem?

just thinking.....
did the SC read those reports published?
they also seems to be hand tight as there is no regulation / actions on how long can those violation be continued? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(jorgsacul @ Feb 15 2021, 11:01 AM)
They are more than 3 kawan. Plus now it’s unrated bond, susah mao trade dah. MEX has been downgraded by Marc recently again. Anyhow, exercise care. Sharing the info here for awareness.
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with that, the high chance of cross trade could not have happened as per suggested as per below

QUOTE(jorgsacul @ Feb 15 2021, 12:07 AM)
High chance cross trade when one fund in trouble due to high redemption another bail it out. So now many rhb funds own mex unrated bonds. So smart of them playing such game.
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jfi,...the downgrading things started with Bright focus since many years back....then again, MEX is NOT only been recently downgraded....few times already been mentioned past few years

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