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post Apr 13 2022, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Apr 13 2022, 05:45 PM)
NOt possible to go any cheaper as those fees are mandatory by monetary authority  doh.gif
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IBKR very big correct? Show us they big until can go that low lor. Or maybe a new broker come and challenge the norm biggrin.gif
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post Apr 14 2022, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Apr 14 2022, 12:16 AM)
IBKR doesn’t need to be cheap as they are lowest, reputable, licensed by many countries and reliable  doh.gif
Whenever I read posts like that reminds me of Arthur Anderson, Lehman Brothers and so many other big reputable companies fall from grace of previous years. But I guess every investor is entitled to their own opinion. I am still waiting for new broker to upset the norm (as in give me 35 cents or below fee for trading in Asian market stock exchanges) hope can see before I pass away biggrin.gif

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post Apr 14 2022, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Apr 14 2022, 05:55 PM)
For IBKR to have 5 major financial hub licensed in the world no easy feat as it is highly scrutinised and it almost 50 yrs track records the doubt is less from there as compared to new brokers which can easily shut down in no time if liquidity issues happens  doh.gif
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Not trying to discredit IBKR here but seriously almost 50 years track record is nothing. Lehman Brothers began in the mid-19th century – 1844 and that is how many years history? The firm of Arthur Andersen was founded in 1913 by Arthur Andersen and Clarence DeLany as Andersen, DeLany & Co and that is how many years history? So track record although mean something say nothing when it fall it fall.
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post Apr 15 2022, 12:21 PM

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To share just got my first HKEX ETF dividend via FSM Spore ETF RSP. It has no tax just like S-Reit stocks. But unlike UT where one can choose to take or reinvest dividend there is no such option. Second the dividend will be in HKD and no auto conversion into your country currency. If you want need to manually convert using FSM currency converter subject to the rate that time.

Now in FSM I have two other currencies besides own SGD. CNH for China UT dividend and HKD for HKEX ETF dividend. The ETF I have is ChinaAMC HK banks (3143) which explain why got dividends. Most other HKEX ETF don't have dividend.

China stocks,ETF,UT are severely beaten at this point in time and most investors have stop DCA or going in so a little dividends during this waiting period give some warm feeling.

I hope FSM Msia to come out the ETF RSP soon just like FSM Spore. There is a demand definitely else the 0% FSM processing fee would not have extended one more year. Most investors are after SGX HKEX ETF. US ETF few takers since cheaper alternative is out there unless one prefer local broker over overseas broker.
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post Apr 15 2022, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Apr 15 2022, 02:12 PM)
I am still waiting for you to recommend a S-REIT ETF. biggrin.gif
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So far there is 3 I know of
1. NikkoAM-StraitsTrading Asia ex Japan REIT ETF SGX CFA
2. CSOP iEdge S-REIT Leaders Index ETF SGX SRT
3. UOB APAC Green REIT ETF SGD Class Units SGX GRN

All three is inside FSM ETF RSP. I think there maybe some overlap in the stocks. 1 has the longest history and 2,3 are pretty new. Between 2 and 3 I pick 2 reason I don't believe in all these new trend green esg etc. Such mandate actually limit to what kind of stocks can be inside the ETF. What if a good performing make monies stock say tobacco maker for e.g becuz not green so cannot be included ? Monies talk loudest IMHO.

Conclusion I would choose 1,2 or take both. I already have a monthly pay dividend Asia Pacific REIT UT so never go for the SGX REIT ETF which pays quarterly too long wait for me.
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post Apr 15 2022, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(reddevil @ Apr 15 2022, 11:32 PM)
mind asking which is the monthly pay dividend Asia Pacific REIT UT?
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This is for FSM Spore not sure FSM Msia is carrying the same fund Manulife Global Fund - Asia Pacific REIT S (G) MDIST SGD-H
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post Apr 16 2022, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(reddevil @ Apr 15 2022, 11:43 PM)
FSM Msia is this one - Manulife Investment Asia-Pacific REIT Fund >>Distribution frequency Semi-annually, if any
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Half a year one time wow wait until flower wilt already think better go for the SGX REIT ETF that is quarterly I think
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post Apr 16 2022, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Apr 15 2022, 11:53 PM)
For UT, many had mentioned that dividend distributions is just left pocket goes to right pocket.
As the amount of money you had is the same before or after dividend distribution.
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Typically those statements come from individual stock or ETF supporters as ETF usually no dividend especially for US ETF. I in UT 22+ years that statement is not 100% true. For mediocre UT fund managers yes as I kena before before I switch sell and buy into other funds. I always believe there are always exceptions and not 100% blanket statement it is true or false
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post Apr 16 2022, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Apr 16 2022, 12:54 PM)
:confused:  rclxub.gif sorry,...cannot comprehend your posting fully...

is it not true that
"For UT, many had mentioned that dividend distributions is just left pocket goes to right pocket.
As the amount of money you had is the same before or after dividend distribution."?
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In theory for UT that pay dividends fund managers supposed to invest some in dividend paying stock or some bond paying so then can use those to give dividends to UT holders. But some ppl say due to shareholders expected mandatory payout some fund managers feel pressured to sell holdings to get the monies to pay the dividends out. Those holdings monies come from shareholders monies so it is like use holders monies pay back holders
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post Apr 16 2022, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 16 2022, 01:12 PM)
If i recall correctly, not all dividend paying, or more accurately distribution, UTs need to be Fixed Income or Mixed UTs. ie. even equity UTs announces distributions
when UTs pay out distribution it's directly from their NAV thus, maths out left pocket & into right pocket
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If you think it is then it is as it is your own monies. For me been getting dividends from UT for 22 years and so far NAV has risen much above my average buy in price. Now treading into ETF arena which focus very little on dividend but more on capital gain which is ok as I like investment instruments diversification
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post Apr 22 2022, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Apr 22 2022, 04:18 PM)
Sold my Manulife Global Resources Fund today.

RM1,00+5% return + RM50 bonus.

Quick 10% return in one month lol.

Too bad it's only rm1k
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With the Ukraine Russia war not stopping any soon, it will rise further but you sell all or partial? If sell all then need wait for drop to buy in? Or to you this is one off make monies? Not only resources, all commodities, energy, oil etc related are green color and that includes ETF also in those theme. US,Asia tech is suffering at the moment up and down roller coaster ride. If still want US stock best to focus on value stock over growth stock as discussed in latest FSM Spore article. And healthcare, infra, utilities also doing ok only tech stock dunno kena jinx or what cannot make it currently.

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post Apr 22 2022, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Apr 22 2022, 05:13 PM)
The reason that I buy this fund is because of the RM50 bonus campaign. Now that I have received the units, don't see the reason to hold it any longer.

I'm not in because of the commodity bull run or what not, holding it will mean I will have to monitor the price frequently.
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Thanks for sharing so it is indeed one off thing to make monies. Becuz most ppl if going long will not sell all, they sell partial and monitor see how etc. Just like ppl open new account with new brokers just to get the freebies then sell earn monies exit and leave the account dormant. I guess companies when dish out such freebies expected ppl to earn and run but as long as say out of 100 new customer got some stay on their campaign objective is achieved. Congrats to your 10% profit monies in a month.
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post May 13 2022, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(YoungMan @ May 13 2022, 11:47 AM)
Yes true. Just that I cannot pump in anymore and see more paper losses. Current paper lossest is to be kept there for don't know how many years until it can turn profit again.
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When you decide to invest that time you are aware of the risk involved correct? Individual stock has high chance not get back. UT and ETF which is a basket of stocks should in theory get back some maybe not all. Selling now is locking your losses so you need make the decision.

That is why some investors propose invest in different asset classes like some in UT some in ETF some in REIT stock some in stock some in Gold some in endowment insurance etc

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post May 19 2022, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(encikbuta @ May 19 2022, 11:22 AM)
my humble two cents:

1. Actively Managed Funds (Unit Trust / Mutual Fund / Active ETF): Good for inefficient & unstable markets where price discovery (i.e. discounts) can be found by skilled & well connected fund managers. Malaysia is a prime example. The local reputable mutual funds perform WAAAYYY better than the KLSE index.

2. Self-Investing (stock picking): Can only speak from own experience. It sucked balls. In 3 years dabbling in Bursa, while I managed to earn like 50 - 100% returns in about 5x stocks, I lost 20 - 30% in the other 20x stocks. Overall, I made only 1% p.a. in 3 years, lol. I personally believe that commoners like us have very little chance against the whales of the stock market. With enough time & effort, good returns can be made but you'd have upgraded yourself to a professional fund manager, not really a part-time investor.

3. Passive Funds (Index Mutual Funds, Passive ETFs): Good for efficient & developed markets (i.e. USA & Eur) where price discovery opportunities are very low.
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I agree with your point 1,2 but for 3 I notice not really true. Index tracking mutual fund/ETF suffer from the mechanism they buy stocks that is in the index and weightage accordingly. What if all or majority of the stocks in the index fare badly (nowadays passive ETF is also red red), it will be reflected in the index tracking mutual fund/ETF price as well. How often are stocks determined to be put inside or outside of the index? If it is slow reaction then being passive investing also incur loss.
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post May 19 2022, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(bcombat @ May 19 2022, 12:39 PM)
UT need to pay around 4-5 % to the management company. Anyway, risk should be lower since it consist of the group of different stocks as long as the fund manager know what they are doing.

From so many fund I noted most have hit the bottom around March 2020 then start to recover….in fact a sharp V sharp recovery. Although some saying don’t time the mkt because no one know when the mkt will hit the bottom., I do believe timing of entry is important. But the agent/ banker who sell the UT to us won’t care whether the customer make $$ or not, they will say enter anytime is not problem because it is good asset with fundamentals etc.
You are correct. But key is always what is interpreted as a good timing of entry? If everyone know in advance it will be so wonderful. That is why ppl say anytime is a good time. I would change it slightly in a bull market what you lump sum in quite confident go even higher. In a bear market has to be extra careful, lump sum is dangerous maybe consider small amount slowly go in. The other extreme would be sit out of the market and wait for it to turn to bull. My next question would be during sitting out you will go back to safer instruments like FD correct? Take note sometimes the rebound is super quick.
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QUOTE(melondance @ May 19 2022, 10:07 PM)
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FSMOne launching ETF RSP. So... I wonder what will the total fee for RSP into ETF. Quite interesting IMO.
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Finally FSM Msia launch their ETF RSP which is quite a hit with FSM Spore. But take note the pro and con which I share before. Unless FSM Msia do it differently.
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QUOTE(melondance @ May 20 2022, 09:49 AM)
Can you give me the pros and cons link?
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3757612/+840
Post #858

I am the poster as I am Sporean. However the actual rules maybe different from FSM Msia so just read for reference. For US exchange I think go via IBKR is cheaper but I know some ppl prefer own country local broker to look after their shares holding don't mind pay more.
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QUOTE(jutamind @ May 20 2022, 01:24 PM)
Very similar to FSM Spore but I notice the difference below

1. No SGX ETF RSP
2. The RSP frequency is Monthly, Bi-weekly, and Weekly. Weekly & Bi-weekly – Every Wednesday, 3pm <- there is bi-weekly and weekly option

For selling of ETF fractional shares via this program there is no fee structure table provided?
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post May 20 2022, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ May 20 2022, 06:14 PM)
See question 15 in the link provided, not sure whether it answers your question

With USD 1 min commission, does it mean min investment should be at least RM5000?
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RSP means every X time you will buy so minimum cannot be so high. Faq say RM 100 minimum will do.

Question 15 say sell but sell what are the fees not mentioned
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QUOTE(jutamind @ May 20 2022, 09:14 PM)
I know you can but min 100 for RSP but the proportion of the USD 1 commission as the % of the transaction cost will be too high.

If you read question 9 again, row 1 in the table is for RSP buy and row 2 is for RSP scheduled sell (which I think is to sell fractional shares)
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It is in question 9 noted.

In my previous thread in FSM Spore I mention US ETF RSP not worth using FSM use IBKR instead. But for HKEX can use as cheapest.

If you got the monies you should buy full share and not via this ETF RSP program

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