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post Dec 8 2020, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 8 2020, 03:38 PM)
many of the issues arent obvious, and some even the zen2 is still facing till today..

issues for example random inconsistent boosts,
pcie lanes not recognizing properly,
high idle voltages,
ram instability on xmp occasionally causing bsod

and many more.
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didn't follow , can u pls explain how an cpu boosts is an issue. thanks.

for the high idle voltages that users keep talking about is not an issue for zen2 ...
if any chance that specific mobo do sth wrong? and cause dissasters ,I guess we should blame the mobo. and pls report the issue to them.
I don't know about zen3 , so far.

for ram instability, I guess u have to ensure your ram is in mobo QVL list, if it was in the list and not stable, then we should blame the mobo maker as well.
if the ram not in the list, I'm afraid u r at your own risk.

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post Dec 8 2020, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 8 2020, 04:01 PM)
cpu boosting even for opening a folder is not normal lol... for those who have a discrete fan profile, these 1sec random boost will cause the temps to spike to 50C for 1sec and causing the fan to ramp up and down.

High voltage is an issue that was given up. Amd told yall to kiss their ass and accept as it is. Some zen2 chips could idle at 0.4v while some stuck at 1v+. Even on the same mobo. So is this a mobo’s fault?

same goes to the ram stability. It has never been an issue of the mobo, It’s all got to do with the Agesa and that is provided by AMD.

QVL is literally a list of “sorry ive generally fcked up my whole assignement but here’s a small list of things that ive done correctly”

As I’m currently using amd, I can literally list all this issues because i had already dealt with/live with it.
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1) hi, just simply change the fan curve,so don't up and down often . pls be noticed, if the cpu at higher load, your fan still crank up to dispatch the heat.
(or get some aftermarket coolers..there are plenty of cheap coolers less than rm100, some china brand one even rm60ish)
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4192804&st=4880
and u can report this issue to your mobo maker..


2) I think I would more agree to what nrw said (Post #6105)

3) IMHO, xmp is a gimmick from it's origin .. btw, if the user own an Excalibur and don't know what to do with it, maybe the user we should blame. :drool:
for the xmp of zen3, I think I would keep an eye on it ,hopefully there are cures soon. (it is still a overclock issue, btw. )

p/s: without the feedback of the users to the manufacture, the problems would keep sustained.
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post Dec 8 2020, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 8 2020, 04:21 PM)
also not to mention 3rd party/custom power plans also affects maximum all core boosts where users will lose performance when they want the power.
And to be honest, i dont think that it is fixed at all up till now... and they already launch the zen3.

What i did is get a fan so silent that even if it ramps up, I couldnt hear it. And my specimen seems to be behaving very well at the very least... ive offered my rig to a few friends to troubleshoot and many of them boosts like an easily triggered vegan karen. To the point that they just leave their aio fan at 70% so it wont ramp up and down.

The main issue here is all the amd simp defending amd saying this issue is normal. Perhaps this diehard fanboyz support is why amd didnt really bother to fix anything. If this were intel, already kena lawsuit.
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I don't use any 3rd party or custom power plan. no issue. all zen2.

I do agree for the fan ramp up/down thing is sucks (at least for most of the mobo ), AFAIK, asrock has some delay setting in their bios (UNTESTED).
for all mobo a custom fan curve work just fine. but, I doubt it is a new thing should be concern to me.

I don't think something would change if only one or two users report this issue to their mobo maker.

intel don't born 'stable' in miracle, sb like u and me (users) should report the issues ,so that manufacture have a chance to fix sth.so we are a part of the intel/amd 'stability'.

QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 8 2020, 04:29 PM)
My theater room's noise floor is <30db (which is better than THX certified theaters), do you know how easily I hear things like fans ramping up? I always set a very long fan ramp up value to counter this issue.
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depend your fans and casing,I guess I would hear that no matter how, unless whole system fanless. so .. bangwall.gif

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post Dec 9 2020, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 8 2020, 08:13 PM)
It’s because people like you defending AMD that’s why they’re not doing anything. and you all just keep licking amd’s boots despite blaming users on the fault that is supposedly amd’s.

My room also have a very low noise floor thus the fan is noticeable and of course i had done things to solve it... but this issue shouldnt be there in the first place, and even after one year later, it’s still not solved.
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Hi, nobody defend this defend that. What I am looking for is the bugs of zen3 ,and I think it would help me(or sb else) if anything new was found, thats all.
If too few people complain about this to your mobo maker, nothing would happen. Keep complaining only in the places where those mobo maker won't even visit(eg: lowyat.net devil.gif ),won't have any change.
btw, I guess most people would rather simply change the fan curve or replace the coolers, that's all. not a big deal. brows.gif

QUOTE(sonyfanzz @ Dec 8 2020, 08:27 PM)
the stock cooler is bad, even the one come with 3700x is whiny af doh.gif after owning 3700x, i buy third party cooler straight after i get my 5600x
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the 3700x stock coolers is wraith prism, which is fine.. as long as u set the jumper on the cooler to 'Low' . rclxms.gif


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post Dec 9 2020, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 9 2020, 06:35 PM)
Bruh we've been complaining at OCN and reddit where the company's actual reps are present. You want to do your research you go there, not fucking LYN where no one gives 2 shits about lol.
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but lowyat.net is M'sia one of the biggest forum. I think I would prefer more localize info (If any, or happen to get some. no worry can get or not get it).
nobody can guarantee everything u buy in the M'sia would be same as the rest of the world. brows.gif

for OCN.. as u see, I don't even post anything in the overclocking subforum here. so, I guess don't bother to register a new account there. Old account don't remember, no more.
let bygone be bygone.

p/s: I never thought I would post/reply anything in hardware section. register this forum mainly for fooling around and chichat in /k and some other subforum.
nowadays forums too many attack this attack that, defend this defend that posts..quite bored.
maybe I won't post anything soon , or maybe not. (whoknows brows.gif )

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post Dec 9 2020, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 9 2020, 07:49 PM)
Everyone with a little or more knowledge in this matter all already knew it’s an agesa issue and every mobo and ram manufacturer can only say: “wait for agesa or chipset update” whistling.gif Only people who see their pc can boot into windows and then call it stable are those saying amd has no problem doh.gif I guess youre one of them.

We already told you all the bugs and yet you say its not a problem. doh.gif “adjust fan curve, blame mobo, buy a bunch of ram on the qvl list and pray one of it works, and keep updating agesa every update untill hopefully you get one that fixes your problem and also pray you dont brick you mobo.” rclxms.gif
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actually u could simply return your ryzen, and get an intel(ex-Popular lover), then your problem solved.
I know what I was saying,for zen3 only 2 issues worth my attention , so far. hmm.gif
Those he said, she said issues/problems.blah..blah..blah..I know,but I cannot help them, they have to help themselve. brows.gif
the most simple way is send back the mobo and cpu altogehter, and complaint to mobo maker and amd. I don't think u can get a 'support ticket' in any forum .
btw, b4 sending back, pls don't mind to try the CPU LLC tricks. I would help to rule out the 'fake' problem. u can still send them back if the trick work or not.


QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 9 2020, 07:06 PM)
Kthenbai.
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Kthenbai back...
I guess I just nobody there that don't even remember own account . (did tried 30minit in my mind, can't recall it). drool.gif

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post Mar 3 2021, 03:12 AM

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sb just start an interesting experiment.. (result: TBD) brows.gif brows.gif
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AMD Ryzen 5000 Long Term OC Testing - Will the 7nm CPUs degrade over time? (by der8auer)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2kgi5tMfDc

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post Sep 12 2021, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(riku2replica @ Sep 11 2021, 03:44 PM)
Anyone with Ryzen 3000 series suffers from whea error code 18, black screen bsod reboot?
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no problem, everything work perfectly..

u may troubleshoot/to solve ur issue by either one of following 2 methods:
1) set the CPU LLC manually to medium/high setting (pls AVOID to use the highest setting. Although different mobo maker have different definition for it, u can see it in the graph they was shown in the BIOS, the higher the line in the graph, the higher LLC it is )

2) if your DDR4 Dram is in your Mobo QVL list, u may try to enable the XMP/Overclocking profile of your Mobo. (some mobo just can't stable enough at bios default setting, yet they are working fine/'The STABLE' stable in their overclocking profile). brows.gif drool.gif


just my 2 cents. icon_idea.gif

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post Sep 12 2021, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(riku2replica @ Sep 12 2021, 08:04 PM)
Yeah, i suspected this as its managed to survice occt and memtest for hours. I'm using a 3500x and apparently it says made in china, so i could suspect degrade issue or bad waffle.
I've tried revert to stock on bios and no pbo, ram stock at 2666 no xmp enabled. It will random black screen on me. Sometimes just 2 hours after a reboot sometimes couple of days. Temps are ok. It does that on some idle, tried bump cpu volt by 0.1v, didn't help. Note: Motherboard has some heatsink over its VRM.
Yeah, it appears to be listed as qualified but not sure if the one they tested are the early batch but not the recent once since Ryzen B450 has been available for quite some time already.

It sometimes gets on my nerves, when it tries to restart when doing web browsing.
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then , just try the CPU LLC method ... brows.gif

p/s: I just modified my previous reply.
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post Sep 13 2021, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(riku2replica @ Sep 13 2021, 08:12 AM)
It is ticking my nerve to switch platform, while i can keep my M.2 SSD and DDR4. I've tried update Bios, it didn't work. Currently on further observation.
I did clean install after the problem starts to arise, and it still crashes from time to time.
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since u mention "idle" got issue , so increase the "CPU LLC" to "medium" shall ease your problem.
if my memory serve me right , it was tested at AGESA ComboAM4v2PI 1.0.0.2 , but I guess it shall work in newer AGESA either. (please don't suka suka flash your BIOS , unless your mobo have dual bios or flashback function).

there are some other ways , but I think CPU LLC is the only way I would suggest anybody to try . more easier and less risk , if comparing to others . brows.gif

p/s: if u google "amazon" "new world" "crash" "rtx", u may see some RTX cards die ,coz of playing this game, shall we blame "Nvidia" or "game developer" ? or just "EVGA" only?? different person may have different opinion... (I knew it is not related to your problem, I just saying, I guess u got the point) icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif

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post Jan 12 2024, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(mudkipryan94 @ Dec 22 2023, 05:59 PM)
it seems officially leaked from AMD website
R7 5700 non X with PCI-E 4 :x
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


by right still hopping on R7 5700X3D processor launch and pricing

and also someone gets knew

The leaked unit for incoming AM5 and AM4(Processors), from leakers 

anyway taking sip of teas whistling.gif
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CES2024

AMD launches $249 Ryzen 7 5700X3D with game-boosting 3D V-Cache tech arrive January 21, AMD also updates AM4 platform with new Ryzen 5000 ‘GT’ processors for 2024
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...essors-for-2024

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