
Honda City Gm2 year 2009
Current Odo : 116,164
Date: 13/10/2019
Blotter time : 7:30pm (picture after 48hrs)
oil age : 6,279km
Engine oil used :Shell Helix HX8 X 5w30
Blotter Spot Test Oil Analysis:VOA Helix HX7 5W30, 16,286 km blotter Shell Helix Ultra 5W40
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Nov 15 2019, 07:37 PM
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Nov 18 2019, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Nov 15 2019, 07:37 PM) ![]() Honda City Gm2 year 2009 Current Odo : 116,164 Date: 13/10/2019 Blotter time : 7:30pm (picture after 48hrs) oil age : 6,279km Engine oil used :Shell Helix HX8 X 5w30 As someone commented above , this blotter spot is very clean and clear . There is absence of dark centre zone and perimeter ring . Very little combustion contaminants and dirt . No sign of fuel dilution and water moisture . IMHO, this HX8 is good to go on further . |
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Nov 18 2019, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE(zeng @ Nov 18 2019, 01:36 PM) Hi, Thanks SirAs someone commented above , this blotter spot is very clean and clear . There is absence of dark centre zone and perimeter ring . Very little combustion contaminants and dirt . No sign of fuel dilution and water moisture . IMHO, this HX8 is good to go on further . shall come back when hitting 8k mileage on the result |
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Dec 24 2019, 08:33 PM
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Dec 27 2019, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Dec 24 2019, 08:33 PM) ![]() Honda City Gm2 year 2009 Current Odo : 118,053 Date: 23/12/2019 Blotter time : 7pm (picture after 24hrs) oil age : 8,168km Engine oil used :Shell Helix HX8 X 5w30 Total absence of dark coloured perimeter ring and centre spot/zone . Duffusion zone has not a shade of grey colour , indicating very very low levels of contaminants and dirt . I think your engine is super clean to begin with , meaning you had previously very short oil change intervals and consistently well maintained by you . You may compare this clean 8168 km blotter against other 8000 - 10000 km blotters on post #1, and I would be personally confident to go on for many more thousands of km . This post has been edited by zeng: Dec 27 2019, 10:41 AM |
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Dec 30 2019, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(zeng @ Oct 24 2019, 11:39 AM) Hi Chemistry , Hi bro @zeng, There is absence of darkened or black perimeter ring or rim surrounding the centre/deposit zone , indicating absence of or negligible amounts of insolubles or semi-solubles ,or coagulation of contaminants and pollutants within the oil eco system , that has been properly and successfully dispersed away from metal contacting surfaces as represented by the transparent and light-coloured centre zone area and its absence of opaquecity . Taking Russian site formula for Coefficient of Dispersancy CD = 1 - ( d*d/D*D ) , where d = outer diameter of 'gray perimeter ring,per se' inclusive of centre zone and/or part of diffussion zone , 45 mm in your picture ; and D = outer diameter of diffussion zone (just within translucent ,fuel zone if any), being 95 mm here , Your CD is 0.77 which is well above the arbitrarily set oil change limit of 0.3 . IMHO, this 9771 km used CH4/SL Mannol oil is good to carry on in service , if you so wish or comfortable . Yes, you have some fuel dilution problem which I feel is academic and of no issue in the oil's continuing service ,yet . Note:95% stop-go in town is classified by OEM as severe service implying oil change intervals is to be halved . However , in the absence of UOA, your blotter spot indicates the oil condition and its detergency/dispersancy capabilities is in good shape , IMO . I have stretched another 1000km since last blotter spot. Could you take a look at this latest blotter spot? Thanks in advance. Car make: Nissan AD Resort 1.6L Manual (Carburetor) Odometer: 308250 km EO in use: Mannol Diesel Extra 10w40 API CH-4/SL EO mileage: 11,000 km Traffic conditions: 95% stop-go in town |
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Dec 31 2019, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE(chemistry @ Dec 30 2019, 08:34 PM) Hi bro @zeng, Hi Chemistry,I have stretched another 1000km since last blotter spot. Could you take a look at this latest blotter spot? Thanks in advance. Car make: Nissan AD Resort 1.6L Manual (Carburetor) Odometer: 308250 km EO in use: Mannol Diesel Extra 10w40 API CH-4/SL EO mileage: 11,000 km Traffic conditions: 95% stop-go in town Wow , fuel dilution seems indetectable this time round compared to previous 9771 blot which is good news with this carburrettor engine . Yes, the shade of gray colour diffusion zone is slightly darker than before but it remains harmless IMO , because of the absence of darkened and opaque centre zone and absence of darkened perimeter ring . Generally the contaminants (though slightly higher than 9771 km) has not coagulated into insolubles or semi-solubles and it is well dispersed . Slight moisture is present , which does not render this used oil unfit . IMO, this semi synthetic Mannol is still serviceable at 11000 km for further use . |
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Dec 31 2019, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(zeng @ Dec 31 2019, 07:46 PM) Hi Chemistry, thanks bro @zeng for evaluation. I'm glad to know how far this Mannol Diesel Extra can go.Wow , fuel dilution seems indetectable this time round compared to previous 9771 blot which is good news with this carburrettor engine . Yes, the shade of gray colour diffusion zone is slightly darker than before but it remains harmless IMO , because of the absence of darkened and opaque centre zone and absence of darkened perimeter ring . Generally the contaminants (though slightly higher than 9771 km) has not coagulated into insolubles or semi-solubles and it is well dispersed . Slight moisture is present , which does not render this used oil unfit . IMO, this semi synthetic Mannol is still serviceable at 11000 km for further use . By the way, I think it's about time to drain before this CNY. p/s: the oil has been in service since Sep-2018 |
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Jan 1 2020, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE(chemistry @ Dec 31 2019, 10:55 PM) thanks bro @zeng for evaluation. I'm glad to know how far this Mannol Diesel Extra can go. Yeah, it's very hectic close to CNY .By the way, I think it's about time to drain before this CNY. p/s: the oil has been in service since Sep-2018Â I had done 8000 - 10000 km with Petronas CI4 15W40 in Wira . Notice the hugh capability of this Mannol HDEO in its detergency and dispersancy property in this 11000 km blot spot , in relation to PCMO's generally . This post has been edited by zeng: Jan 1 2020, 12:14 PM |
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Jan 2 2020, 10:46 AM
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Checking engine oil condition using Blotter Spot Test method
Russian website English translation . This post has been edited by zeng: Jan 2 2020, 10:52 AM |
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Jan 15 2020, 09:05 PM
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Jan 16 2020, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Jan 15 2020, 09:05 PM) ![]() Honda City GM2 year 2009 Current Odo : 119,979km Date: 15/01/2020 Blotter time : 8am (picture after 36hrs) oil age : 10,094km Engine oil used :Shell Helix HX8 X 5w30 Another achievement is the seeming absence of signs of water moisture , which I consider as exceptional after having gone through numerous blotter spots . Personally, I would carry on with this oil up to a minimum of 15000 km , probably more . |
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Jan 17 2020, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(zeng @ Jan 16 2020, 01:17 PM) Wow, clean and transparent blotter at 10094 km with complete absence of shade of grey colour in the centre zone, the perimeter ring and clean and yellowish diffusion zones . Thanks Bro Zeng for the detailsAnother achievement is the seeming absence of signs of water moisture , which I consider as exceptional after having gone through numerous blotter spots . Personally, I would carry on with this oil up to a minimum of 15000 km , probably more . Will try to drag untill 12k then will post again the results So far oil level no changes But performance wise that acceleration quite draggy |
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Jan 18 2020, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Jan 17 2020, 01:28 PM) Thanks Bro Zeng for the details Performance at 10000 km becomes quite draggy , despise potential drop in operating viscosity due to breakdown of Viscosity Index Improvers VII aka viscosity-shearing ?Will try to drag untill 12k then will post again the results So far oil level no changes But performance wise that acceleration quite draggy Am I surprise here ? Not quite really , to the extent you could 'feel' the difference ,if any . Has this 10000 km gone bad ? Maybe , as compared to virgin new . Is this 10000 km used oil too 'old' and no longer provide components protection,detrimental mechanically and hence unfit for continuing service ? I don't think so . In the absence of 'expensive and messy' Used Oil Analysis , your 10000 km blotter spot suggests it is fit for additional thousand(s) of km IMHO , never mind the fact that you may have exceeded the 10000 km OCI (?? ,IDK) recommended by OEM . Note: This HX8 X 5W30 contains some Molybdenum additive whose Coefficient of Friction in application potentially increases with use in your context . Hence your 'feeling' of being draggy ? This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 27 2021, 08:17 PM |
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Jan 18 2020, 04:37 PM
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Wow hx8 so nice. Value for money!
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Jan 18 2020, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(zeng @ Jan 18 2020, 01:39 PM) Note: To support my contention above , attached below is a chart demonstrating the phenomenon ofThis HX8 5W30 contains some Molybdenum additive whose Coefficient of Friction in application potentially increases with use in your context . increasing engine Coefficient of Friction, with decreasing ppm(parts per million) of Molybdenum additive ... in a typical engine oil application which likely applies to this application of HX8 5W30 of voa Molybdenum 39 ppm . This post has been edited by zeng: Jan 20 2020, 10:39 AM |
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