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post Apr 25 2018, 09:27 AM

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Hi guys, just realised such thread. And first time posting. I know it might not be useful to get a sample at 3k but I want to practise and get it right.

Attached, Honda City 2011, odo at 100km, 3k since oil change, this is the first time I used Honda fully synthetic oil, previously always on their semi synthetic. Previously on caltex 95. Now changed to petronas 97 starting from Nov 2017 since can get petrol card from lazada on discount.

This pic taken after 60 hours sample is taken. Sample take around 5 hours after short ride to local pasar.

Any feedback or more info I can provide?

By the way, how would we detect if its fake oil? Any tell sign?

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post Apr 25 2018, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(alphaz @ Apr 23 2018, 12:21 AM)
Only RON 95, mostly Petron, sometimes Caltex and BHP, very rarely Petronas, only once Shell.
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Euro 4 RON 97 here has below 50 ppm sulphur,which is supposed to be 'less' damaging to engine oil life in relation to a typical Euro 2 petrol at 500 ppm sulphur.
I beliveve RON 95 BHP from a refinery in Singapore are of less than 150 ppm sulphur.
That same Singapore refinery also supplies to Caltex here, I wouldn't be surprised if its sulphur could be low too though I have no facts to support the statements.
Maybe some one can comment if Petron petrol comes from refineries in Singapore.

Not sure if the 150 ppm sulphur in your BHP helps in your blotter spot 'cleanliness' , other than efficacy of Aisin engine oil and engine mechanical conditions.

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post Apr 25 2018, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Apr 25 2018, 09:27 AM)
Hi guys, just realised such thread. And first time posting. I know it might not be useful to get a sample at 3k but I want to practise and get it right.

Attached, Honda City 2011, odo at 100km, 3k since oil change, this is the first time I used Honda fully synthetic oil, previously always on their semi synthetic. Previously on caltex 95. Now changed to petronas 97 starting from Nov 2017 since can get petrol card from lazada on discount.

This pic taken after 60 hours sample is taken. Sample take around 5 hours after short ride to local pasar.

Any feedback or more info I can provide?

By the way, how would we detect if its fake oil? Any tell sign?
https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-47/...-1524619657.jpg
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This Honda fully synthetic at 3000 km has some sign of centre ring (though elongated in shape due to handling or slanting placements after drops on paper), and to monitor closely for extending OCI.

It's outermost rings indicates presence of fuel, possibly caused by sampling while cold, it could also mean petrol fuel gets into engine oil during engine operation.

There is a chance that an Euro 2 RON 97 of 50 ppm sulphur may slow down engine oil contamination from sulphur acidification.

No,blotter spot test cannot differentiate if an engine oil is fake or not. It may indicate engine oil conditions at relevant km reading, which in your case I personally am not 'impressed' with this Honda fullsyn for now, in relation to the Aisin 5W30 above.

But we need comparisons of blotter spot at higher mileage, besides comparing blotter of other engine oil types (as listed in post #1) in similar engine under similar driving conditions.

Hope it helps.

Edit:Viscosity grades, xW20 ??

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post Apr 26 2018, 05:17 PM

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Follow up from previous (should be 5k km oil, not 6k km as stated). This is 7k km oil at 24 hours blotter test.

Oil is slightly darker, as same as precious, clear centre black ring. Will drive another 1-2k km before oil change. Will see what happens then.
Does diff grade A4 paper produce diff blotter test result?


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post Apr 26 2018, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Apr 25 2018, 09:48 PM)
Euro 4 RON 97 here has below 50 ppm sulphur,which is supposed to be 'less' damaging to engine oil life in relation to a typical Euro 2 petrol at 500 ppm sulphur.
I beliveve RON 95 BHP  from a refinery in Singapore are of less than 150 ppm sulphur.
That same Singapore refinery also supplies to Caltex here, I wouldn't be surprised if its sulphur could be low too though I have no facts to support the statements.
Maybe some one can comment if Petron petrol comes from refineries in Singapore.

Not sure if the 150 ppm sulphur in your BHP helps in your blotter spot 'cleanliness' , other than efficacy of Aisin engine oil and engine mechanical conditions.
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Petron comes from their refinery in Port Dickson. It was originally Esso/Mobil before San Miguel bought and rebrand to Petron. Esso/Mobil fuel supposedly had the lowest sulphur content (can't confirm, just hearsay).


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post Apr 27 2018, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Apr 25 2018, 10:04 PM)
This Honda fully synthetic at 3000 km has some sign of centre ring (though elongated in shape due to handling or slanting placements after drops on paper), and to monitor closely for extending OCI.

It's outermost rings indicates presence of fuel, possibly caused by sampling while cold, it could also mean petrol fuel gets into engine oil during engine operation.

There is a chance that an Euro 2 RON 97 of 50 ppm sulphur may slow down engine oil contamination from sulphur acidification.

No,blotter spot test cannot differentiate if an engine oil is fake or not. It may indicate engine oil conditions at relevant km reading, which in your case I personally am not 'impressed' with this Honda fullsyn for now, in relation to the Aisin 5W30 above.

But we need comparisons of blotter spot at higher mileage, besides comparing blotter of other engine oil types (as listed in post #1)  in similar engine under similar driving conditions.

Hope it helps.

Edit:Viscosity grades, xW20 ??
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Bro zeng, thanks for the feedback. Sorry still on holiday in Thailand, didn't reply you sooner.

This is 0-30W. I know this oil might not be the best for the price range but before I learn more, just thought that I should stick with Honda
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post Apr 28 2018, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(alphaz @ Apr 26 2018, 09:22 PM)
Petron comes from their refinery in Port Dickson. It was originally Esso/Mobil before San Miguel bought and rebrand to Petron. Esso/Mobil fuel supposedly had the lowest sulphur content (can't confirm, just hearsay).
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Thanks,not sure if PD refinery capacity exceeds domestic sales ...
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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Apr 27 2018, 01:57 PM)
Bro zeng, thanks for the feedback. Sorry still on holiday in Thailand, didn't reply you sooner.

This is 0-30W. I know this oil might not be the best for the price range but before I learn more, just thought that I should stick with Honda
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10000 - 15000 km OCI shouldn't be difficult with a fully synthetic 0W30 in typical Asian engines, I suppose.
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post Apr 30 2018, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Apr 27 2018, 01:57 PM)
This is 0-30W. I know this oil might not be the best for the price range but before I learn more, just thought that I should stick with Honda
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https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...30?#Post4741200
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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Apr 26 2018, 05:17 PM)
Follow up from previous (should be 5k km oil, not 6k km as stated). This is 7k km oil at 24 hours blotter test.

Oil is slightly darker, as same as precious, clear centre black ring. Will drive another 1-2k km before oil change. Will see what happens then.
Does diff grade A4 paper produce diff blotter test result?
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https://forum.lowyat.net/uploads/attach-99/...-1524734225.jpg

This 7000 km blotter of Perodua SS 5W30 SM gold bottle looks good to me.
Yes, blotter spot test has its limitations. Hence I try to be consistent using the same type of paper, with the same 'steps' of making an oil drop, wait for 48/72 hours to take pictures ..... under similar lighting conditions if possible.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Apr 30 2018, 08:50 PM)
This 7000 km blotter of Perodua SS 5W30 SM gold bottle looks good to me.
Yes, blotter spot test has its limitations. Hence I try to be consistent using the same type of paper, with the same 'steps' of making an oil drop, wait for 48/72 hours to take pictures ..... under similar lighting conditions if possible.
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Actually using the same piece of paper for the blotter test.
And from observation, 24/48 hrs no diff to my naked eyes
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post May 1 2018, 12:27 AM

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i found interesting post here, let's discuss as i have been in auto industry for more than 10 years. it's interesting that nowadays engine oil can last for more than 20,000km easily. anyway the SC or general workshop still recommending the old ways of OCI such as Mineral for 5K, Semi 8K and Fully 10K.

and our Malaysia market is so fussed/obsessed about the word SEMI and FULLY. actually is a same oil!..the oil marketer making tonnes of monies by selling SEMI and FULLY labelled oils.

i only changed my engine oil every 20K or 6 months without blotter test as for the past 10 years. transmission oil even longer...... last change was 3 years ago.

Malaysia driving environment relatively clean. so 20K no problems at all with FILTON RM 5.00 oil filter.

i prefer stick to SL grade as mentioned at 1st post due to as API SL grade tends to have higher ZDDP and calcium comparing to SM or SN grade..

opted for higher OCI, go for SL grade. wont be wrong. We have no air pollution regulations here, so guess what, some of the cars are even without catalytic converter. go for it !

to have higher OCI, the base oil composition is pretty damn important rather than additives itself.

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post May 6 2018, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Apr 27 2018, 01:57 PM)
Bro zeng, thanks for the feedback. Sorry still on holiday in Thailand, didn't reply you sooner.

This is 0-30W. I know this oil might not be the best for the price range but before I learn more, just thought that I should stick with Honda
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Bitog on Honda Full Synthetic 0W30 from Malaysia

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post May 14 2018, 09:01 PM

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8k km oil. Got it changed as I normally change oil around this mileage.
Looks not much diff from 7k km. Maybe a little darker.


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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ May 14 2018, 09:01 PM)
8k km oil. Got it changed  as I normally change oil around this mileage.
Looks not much diff from 7k km. Maybe a little darker.
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This 8000 km Perodua SS 5W30 SM oil doesn't look spent, as there isn't an obvious clear centre ring, indicating oil dispersancy property is still strong.

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QUOTE(zeng @ May 15 2018, 04:40 PM)
This 8000 km Perodua SS 5W30 SM oil doesn't look spent, as there isn't an obvious clear centre ring, indicating oil dispersancy property is still strong.
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Think photo a little blur. It's not sharp. Poor camera. The black centre ring was obvious in previous oil drop at 6k km.

Felt so much smoother after oil change. Maybe psycho effect. It won't last long though.

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Bardahl MXP 5W-40 FS
173,191 km mileage
4,322 km usage
Livina 1.6 NA
Photo at 48 hours

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QUOTE(putra23 @ Jun 1 2018, 11:02 AM)
Bardahl MXP 5W-40 FS
173,191 km mileage
4,322 km usage
Livina 1.6 NA
Photo at 48 hours

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Hi Bro,
at 4322 km , this Bardahl MXP FS 5W40 shows very light grey in 'outer' zones as there is absence of centre zone.
Outermost zones indicates certain fuel dilution or regular cold short trips.
Good serviceable used oil still with a lot of life in it, I suppose.
I personally won't replace this oil anytime soon though.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Jun 2 2018, 10:13 AM)
Hi Bro,
at 4322 km , this Bardahl MXP FS 5W40 shows very light grey in 'outer' zones as there is absence of centre zone.
Outermost zones indicates certain fuel dilution or regular cold short trips.
Good serviceable used oil still with a lot of life in it, I suppose.
I personally won't replace this oil anytime soon though.
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Hi zeng,
Thank you the comments. Seem like this oil is decent. Mechanic recommends the mainstream brands though.

Usually change oil at 7000 to 8000km intervals. Shortened the interval (from 10000km) coz oil loss (about 1L, top up from min to max) around 5000 to 6000km mileage. Yearly mileage approximately 9000km.

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Apr 25 2018, 09:27 AM)
Hi guys, just realised such thread. And first time posting. I know it might not be useful to get a sample at 3k but I want to practise and get it right.

Attached, Honda City 2011, odo at 100km, 3k since oil change, this is the first time I used Honda fully synthetic oil, previously always on their semi synthetic. Previously on caltex 95. Now changed to petronas 97 starting from Nov 2017 since can get petrol card from lazada on discount.

This pic taken after 60 hours sample is taken. Sample take around 5 hours after short ride to local pasar.

Any feedback or more info I can provide?

By the way, how would we detect if its fake oil? Any tell sign?
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Bro zeng, taken after short ride 15 mins from pasar, 4k km, 4 months oil. Pic taken after 24 hours.

Any comments is welcomed.

Going to switch to aisin as per recommended but I have another bottle of this in stock. Will finish it up and continue take sample for the other bros reference




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