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TSzeng
post Apr 3 2018, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Apr 3 2018, 12:42 PM)
Interesting topic here, and I wonder what's the observation time after dropping the oil on paper?
Some with 1 hour photo, some with 24 hour photo.
Seems not much info from the Internet to interpret the oil condition. Maybe Zeng can explain a little more.

I tried my engine oil, at about 5k km travelled, and could see a center black ring after a day. Does it mean that oil is not carrying the soot well? It's done with A4 paper.

Let me do it again and snap a photo these few days.
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I personally prefer comparing blotter spot tests pictures of 48 hours and/or 72 hours ..... as it sort of 'matures' by this time , and it's done for consistency of evaluation.

Agree there is no comprehensive literatures from internet , other than a few links provided in post #1.
Have a read over there.

Dark grey or black coloured spot indicates presence of contaminants and combustion by products.

Emergence of clear dark centre rings indicates dispersancy property of oils begins to deteriorate, IMHO.

Without a 48 hr or 72 hr blotter spots, it's hard to comment on soot etc.

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QUOTE(zeng @ Apr 3 2018, 07:31 PM)
My rule of thumb limited understanding on intercooler is that the turbocharged compressed air (which is hot) is cooled by water through bottom hose from radiator and probably there is no oil passage within intercooler.

Turbocharger bearings having oil leaks, I'm not sure though.
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Most factory intercoolers are air cooled, water cooled types are usually exotic mods.

Turbochargers can leak oil on the turbine bearings. Here's a write up :

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From : https://www.ebay.com/gds/TURBOCHARGER-OIL-L...78320282/g.html
TSzeng
post Apr 5 2018, 09:18 PM

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Thanks for the write up on turbo bearing oil leaks.
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post Apr 6 2018, 11:00 PM

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OK.. Here's go my blotter spot test.
Kenari standard 1L engine. Mileage 133k.
Current oil mileage is about 6k km, with perodua 5w-30 semi synthetic, gold bottle.
Black centre ring is obvious, but oil is not that dirty yet.
Any 5w-30 budget oil that has good performance to intro?


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post Apr 7 2018, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Apr 6 2018, 11:00 PM)
OK.. Here's go my blotter spot test.
Kenari standard 1L engine. Mileage 133k.
Current oil mileage is about 6k km, with perodua 5w-30 semi synthetic, gold bottle.
Black centre ring is obvious, but oil is not that dirty yet.
Any 5w-30 budget oil that has good performance to intro?
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You're right ahsam,the oil is not that dirty yet.
If I may add this used oil is still serviceable and has some reasonable life from now on.

Agree with you its black centre ring is visible or obvious ......
and this indicates dispersancy property of this oil at some 6000 km usage ,begins to 'breakdown' ..........
and that's perfectly normal in a used oil sample like yours and it's not the end of the world or due for oil condemnation.

Do note the centre zone(or area) within the 'black' centre (perimeter,circumferrential) ring is transparent and light coloured ..... and that's good news as it's not opaque and dark(or black) coloured......
indicating oil dispersancy is still performing as intended/designed and hence serviceable.

I wouldn't say this Perodua 5W30 semisyn doesn't have good performance ..... yet, and it seems to be doing ok as of now.

If you haven't dumped the oil, do another blotter spot test some 2000 km down the road, and evaluate from there.IMHO.

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post Apr 7 2018, 04:22 PM

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Will be using this oil for another 2k km. Normally I run it about 8k+ before oil change. Let's wait n see the result then. BTW, the photo was taken after about 26 hours. Will do again in another 1k km.
Thanks Zeng for your comment.
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post Apr 7 2018, 07:58 PM

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Only found this useful thread!!!

Any sifu here twach me?

Toyota Vios NCP 42, Engine: 1NZ-FE

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Petronas Synthium 800. Change every 5000km.

Do I need to post 24 hours? 72 hours?

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post Apr 7 2018, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Apr 7 2018, 04:22 PM)
Will be using this oil for another 2k km. Normally I run it about 8k+ before oil change. Let's wait n see the result then. BTW, the photo was taken after about 26 hours. Will do again in another 1k km.
Thanks Zeng for your comment.
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You're most welcome.
Btw, is this Perodua SN or SM?
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post Apr 7 2018, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 7 2018, 07:58 PM)
Only found this useful thread!!!

Any sifu here twach me?

Toyota Vios NCP 42, Engine: 1NZ-FE

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Petronas Synthium 800. Change every 5000km.

Do I need to post 24 hours? 72 hours?

Image attached is 12 hours
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Glad that you find this thread useful.
Post #1 has some links for reading, and blotter spot pictures for comparison.
This Syntium 800 10W40 has quite a strong specs,

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The blotter would 'mature' at 48 hours or more, and may provide more consistent evaluation, IMHO.
Upload one when you have it for general comments, if you may.

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post Apr 7 2018, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Apr 7 2018, 09:20 PM)
Glad that you find this thread useful.
Post #1 has some links for reading, and blotter spot pictures for comparison.
This Syntium 800 10W40 has quite a strong specs,

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The blotter would 'mature' at 48 hours or more, and may provide more consistent evaluation, IMHO.
Upload one when you have it for general comments, if you may.
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Hmm... so meaning, I take another picture of 48 hours only can comment?
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QUOTE(zeng @ Apr 7 2018, 08:55 PM)
You're most welcome.
Btw, is this Perodua SN or SM?
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This is SM stated on bottle sticker. And oil comes from Petronas.
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post Apr 8 2018, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 7 2018, 10:13 PM)
Hmm... so meaning, I take another picture of 48 hours only can comment?
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Thart's right, a 48/72 hour blotter would look 'different' from a 12 hour one .


QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Apr 7 2018, 10:58 PM)
This is SM stated on bottle sticker. And oil comes from Petronas.
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post Apr 9 2018, 01:59 PM

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Dear TS,

This is the 48 hours.

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Will post a 72 hour tomorrow... Comments?
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post Apr 9 2018, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 9 2018, 01:59 PM)
Dear TS,

This is the 48 hours.

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Will post a 72 hour tomorrow... Comments?
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Oops, this 48 hr blotter spot picture doesn't show any 'shape' of centre zone indicating the oils dispersancy capability is like new.
The blotter is bright coloured and not greyish/darkish indicating there isn't much of contaminants or dirt ... pointing to an internally very clean engine.
The picture resolution doesn't show a 'whitish ring' at the outermost diameter of blotter, so couldn't say there is fuel dilution.

I would expect a 72 hr shows no differrence from this 48 hr blotter , though.

Dumping this oil at 5000 km usage appears too early in my opinion.

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post Apr 9 2018, 03:44 PM

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post Apr 9 2018, 04:42 PM

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For better viewing, light then back of the sample using you hand phone light , much much cleaner view
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post Apr 10 2018, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Apr 9 2018, 03:44 PM)
6,000km
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5 months since last change
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Engine oil details?


QUOTE(rcracer @ Apr 9 2018, 04:42 PM)
For better viewing, light then back of the sample using you hand phone light , much much cleaner view
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Good idea from you, dry.gif

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post Apr 12 2018, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Apr 10 2018, 04:52 PM)
Engine oil details?
Good idea from you,  dry.gif
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Petronas Syntium 3000, 5w30

thrown the blotted paper away...........
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post Apr 12 2018, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(jamespaul @ Apr 12 2018, 12:00 PM)
Petronas Syntium 3000, 5w30

thrown the blotted paper away...........
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Petronas 5W30 comes in Syntium 800 being a blend with SN GF5 .....
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...which sounds unsuitable for your MB GLC 250.

Do you mean to say Syntium 3000 fullsyn 5W40 SN C3 MB 229.31?

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post Apr 14 2018, 01:50 PM

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For advocates of 5000 km (3000 miles) engine oil change intervals ....
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...al_#Post4725400

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