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post Aug 26 2017, 11:44 PM

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Dear all, I'm starting to read this thread, now at Page 22 tongue.gif

Went to Maybank branch last Friday to ask how to open accounts for ASW, ASM, AS1M.. Staff informed me they cannot open account because they cannot see if there is any fund available. Advised me to open at PNB branch because they know real time of fund availability. Maybank staff then informed me that once I have an account, I can top up fund OTC as they can check whether there is any fund available. I konfius, why now can see when if there is any fund available when to open account they cannot see the funds availability.

Went to post office, told the same thing, advised to go to PNB office to open account.

Call up PNB office, was told no fund available and there are two person waiting to open account there (in other words, don't waste your time coming here)

A few questions which I hope experts here can clarify:
1. Does it mean that I have to camp at PNB office to open account, before I can do the topping up at agents? This is a problem due risk of holding too much cash as I won't know how much fund is available on that day.

2. Can I view availability of fund if I link my newly opened account to M2U and buy online? The MBB staff told me can sell online, but to top up I must do it OTC.

3. Was told by Maybank, I need to open separate accounts for ASW, ASM, AS1M. True?

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post Aug 27 2017, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Aug 26 2017, 11:51 PM)
1. yes most likely have to camp at PNB to open account. you just need minimum rm100 to open an account. after you have account, you can topup online.
2. no, you can't. you can topup online but can't sell online.
3. yes need separate accounts.
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Thank you for your answer. I reckon that if I bring RM2000 to the PNB branch, I should buy use it all to buy whatever units are available, as they might not be available once I get home to go online, correct?

By the way, to top up account means to buy units, correct? It's not like those stock broker platform where we park our money there to use it to pay for our shares when we buy them later, right?

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 27 2017, 12:06 AM)
1. You kena bluff already. Any agent can open for you.  You should not have ask have to go pnb and open is it becauae if cause they tell you to go there. Less job for them. But PNB is supposely the easiest to open as they can see the availability of unit in real time. However sometimes agent are better at opening account as they are willing to try for you. Sometimes the opposite. No need call them to ask got unit available or not. No unit available is the standard answer. Just go and open. If cannot open, just wait there and ask them to try.

2. You can see how many units it's available on sale. You can see how much you have and topup online. The website is Myasnb. Not M2U. Topping up online via myasnb is free compare to using m2u where they will charge you rm1.06 regardless of it's successful.

3. Yes. Different account but same no for all.
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1. Thank you for your reply. I approached MBB information counter to inform them I wanted to open account for ASx. Was told "cannot open account as can only open account when I buy units, and they (MBB) don't know if there are any units in the market". Straightaway suggested I go to PNB.
Post office also told me the same thing "cannot see available units in the market", asked me to try banks or PNB office.
I will go on Mon or Tue to open account at PNB office as you suggested.

2. After opening account, do we have access to Myasnb by default, and payment is by internet banking? I thought it can be done in M2U after I googled and got directed at M2U page.
Edit: just remembered what you wrote about the RM1.06 by MBB regardless of success or failure.

Once again, thank you both for your time and explanation. Much appreciated. Meanwhile, I shall continue reading this thread.

This post has been edited by mushigen: Aug 27 2017, 11:35 AM
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post Aug 27 2017, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 27 2017, 11:20 AM)
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Before u go camp at pnb office..
U try luck opening at affin or ambank first...

Only top up online.. Withdrawal needed OTC.. No other way..
Its MyASNB website.. Updated in real time too..

Yup. All fund separate account but same numbers..
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Unfortunately, both banks you suggested are not convenient to me. Just wondering how come MBB told me the opposite about buying OTC, selling online confused.gif

Learned more here than the two visits to MBB and Pos Malaysia. Thank you so much.
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post Aug 27 2017, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 27 2017, 11:37 AM)
I got no answer why they said like that.. Only the staff can tell reason top up OTC withdrawn online...

So sad.. The two banks is quite okay.. So u got no other choice.. Needed to camp at pnb.. If u can wait.. I suggest u go open asw2020 account on 4 September.. Sure can open, but how much units available depending on luck.. U just needs rm100 only...
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I am thinking of trying the next two days and 4-5 Sept as per your suggestion. Learned from this thread people tend to sell their units before long holiday period and after dividend is declared (as in the case of ASW).
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post Aug 27 2017, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 27 2017, 11:43 AM)
Good strategy...
Glad u know your stuff..
Looking good for newbie..
Well done..
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It's all thanks to experienced investors like you and the rest who are willing to share the knowledge here.
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post Aug 27 2017, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 27 2017, 12:38 PM)
No. You need to register online for myasnb account.  Just make sure to include register your phone no with them for verification purpose.

The m2u as mentioned will charge you rm1.06 regardless if you are successful or fail to get any unit per try. Myasnb let you view everything (all your funds)
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Hi Ramjade, thank you for your clear explanation. Much appreciated.
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post Aug 27 2017, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(sijee @ Aug 27 2017, 02:43 PM)
The agent's priorities are to sell their own banking products(FD, Loans, CASA, unit trusts, insurance, etc) with maximum profits from clients. Agents servicing ASx is a double edged sword as it will attract more clientele  but ASx actually compete with the first 4 banking products. Being lesser in priority and for non-ASB clients comes ASx VP and FP in that order.

It is more challenging for the banks especially now in a depressed economy with negative consumer confidence looking for higher yields for their unused funds. Bank deposits are lagging 2% behind loan growth...maybe a ticking time bomb in 5 years from now.

That being said, the "buying OTC, selling" poser maybe to confuse and discourage new ASx clients. Listen to the sifus here for "more bang for your bucks".
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 27 2017, 02:57 PM)
Yeah, saw the news report..
Deposits growth is lower nowadays...
As usual, banks says it's non issues... But actual it's will create problems in future.. Like u said.. Time bomb ticking...

Banks tellers / staff are more pressured now.. They somehow needed to performed.. So they needed to find more deposits somehow.. But we as consumer are smarter now.. Gone the days we chase after FD promo when we could get 6% on ASx..
One unker I know withdrew his FD to dump into ASx.. The bankers tried their best to hold.. No use.. 100k gone just like that.. Bank lose tongue.gif
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I suppose they really are not interested in selling ASx, or they are not well-trained.

I was still chasing after FD promo but I realised my money could be made to work harder without having me running to banks to do OTC FD deposits. I keep procrastinating going to the bank to chase promo FD, hence some money is parked in MBB GIA account earning peanuts (and now they are doing away with daily interest). I even have some eFD (6-month) earning a paltry 3.05% simply because it could be topped up online.
In addition, none of my FD interest can match what ASx are offering.
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post Aug 28 2017, 02:39 PM

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Went to PNB office today to open my account, managed to buy RM100 worth of ASM and AS1M each.
Registered at myasn and managed to buy some more units.
Should have proceeded to register at PNB office last Friday as advised here, as ASW is frozen from 26/8 till next Monday. Will have to go again.

Thank you all for our advise and help. Further questions (I've read until page 40 of this thread, so have not come across the answers). Thank you in advance:

1. Since my money meant for ASx is limited, does it make any difference if I just dump all the money into AS1M and ASM, and forget about opening account for ASW? After all, if I buy ASW, I am left with less money to buy AS1M/ASM.

2. Now that I have an account with PNB for ASM and AS1M, can I go to the agents to try to buy ASW which I haven't bought at all?

3. Between the 3 funds, which is the one you guys are more keen on investing, and why? All I know so far is the different dividend payment dates for the 3 funds.
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QUOTE(OPT @ Aug 28 2017, 02:43 PM)
1. Up to individual, but yes. Can also. If no time, buying any is better as it's not always available.

2. Anytime also can buy from agent, but PNB/Affin less hassle as most will not entertain (depends on luck).

3. All actually not too bad, but ASW>ASM>AS1M
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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Aug 28 2017, 06:21 PM)
Can anyone else top up AS1M? trying to get some units but so weird that it's close for dividend calculation.
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I was able to top up AS1M before 2pm today.
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post Aug 29 2017, 12:17 PM

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Trying to buy AS1M now, RM100 per effort habuk pun don't have.
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Hi all, queries on the dividend calculation. I googled and understand that the minimum amount for the month is taken into account.

1. I intend to open account for ASW next week, say 5th Sept, possibly only getting RM100 by default at PNB office.
Now, if I can only top up the account on 6th Sept, does that mean my dividend calculated for Sept would be based on RM100 balance? Does it matter if I manage to top up the account to say, RM20k, by 30 Sept?

2. If my balance for ASM and AS1M is say, RM10k each on 31/8/2017, which will carry over to 1/9/2017, does it mean my dividend for these accounts will be based on RM10k regardless of how much I top them up in Sept?
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QUOTE(savvyaunty @ Aug 29 2017, 04:24 PM)
1. No dividend for Sept because the lowest balance is zero
2. Yes based on the lowest balance which is 10K unless you perform withdrawal
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post Sep 1 2017, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 1 2017, 03:18 PM)
Confirmed cannot as its PH laugh.gif
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Thanks to the explanation given in this thread, I now know how the dividend is calculated.
That was why I kept trying to top up my asm and as1m during my balik kampung drive on Wed 30/8 - while resting at R&R. And managed to top up RM1k too.

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 2 2017, 08:06 AM)
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So easy nowadays...
Thanks to the portal...
But bad news is many people also trying for the limited units available cry.gif
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 2 2017, 09:54 AM)
Very productive use of time,....  thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif
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If topping up online requires multiple attempts and can cause some frustration, I can imagine the hassle you guys have faced trying to top up otc. I guess late starters like me can consider this as consolation, lol.


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 2 2017, 10:20 AM)
There you have said it yourself. Dispose all. Means you are not entitle to the dividends. Had you keep rm100 inside, you will be entitle to whatever you have before liquidate everything
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Learned another new thing today. Thanks a lot. What if the balance is less than RM100 but > zero?
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Bought some today. Seems very easy to get.
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Sep 6 2017, 09:58 AM)
You made me curious enough to take a look at the CPF financial statements. 99% of members fund invested in SGS bonds, most of it special purpose and cannot be sold in open market  shocking.gif

That's why the returns is so low. Basically pegged. Makes you wonder what the gov used the bonds for... I supposed nation building. Did you read that conspiracy that got the Singaporean blogger into trouble?

Having said that, SRS is a much more superior product than PRS. CPF vs EPF.... I reserve my comments

Suddenly EPF looks respectable, for making our money works harder, try to improve returns given to the members
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SRS superior? If you are a foreigner, you may want to find out how much you are taxed upon withdrawal.
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At PNB branch now to buy my first RM100 ASW. Saw steady stream of customers holding red form. Good news for me.
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Dear All,
May I know if the dividend is compounded monthly? Example, if I keep RM1000 for one whole year until dividend is declared, will the dividend be calculated based on RM1000 per month for 12 months, or compounded from month 2 onward?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 8 2017, 03:06 PM)
Nope not compounded. If like that we get more than 6%  tongue.gif Is calculated each month and then added up.

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Thank you for your clarification. Since it is not compounded monthly, it makes sense to me to pump more fund into ASM instead of AS1M and ASW, as I get the dividend earlier for ASM (31/3) and the dividend will earn more dividend from April onwards. Is this approach correct? I'm assuming the average dividend is 6 sen across the board.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 8 2017, 03:31 PM)
I don't think there's a difference provided the return is the same across the board
ASM, you get paid on 1/4,
RM10000 gives you RM600 1/4 (provided you managed to buy on/before 1/4 the year before)

ASW you get paid on 1/9
RM10000 gives you RM600 1/9 (provided you managed to buy on/before 1/9 the year before)

AS1M you get paid on 1/10
RM10000 gives you RM600 1/10 (provided you managed to buy on/before 1/10 the year before)

Semua sama payment. How do you get more money?
Care to share how you arrive at RM1 more?
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Oh, lets say I have a limited fund of say, RM10k (er, who doesn't have a limited fund) to invest in ASx now. If I buy ASM, I will earn dividend on 1/4/18. It means I will have more fund on 1/4/18 (principal + dividend earned) in my ASM account, compared to if I dump the RM10k into AS1M or ASW, or split the RM10k between AS1M/ASW.

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